New VA school rating system in 2025-2026 SY

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

This is true and it’s precisely why Youngkin sees an opening to build further support for vouchers and the privitization of K-12 education. It’s really quite sad. We are killing off what made America great generations ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Fairfax County was smaller than, teachers were better, admins were better, there were less standards, etc....

Or FCPS stopped the spin machine and it has always been bad.

No, it actually was an excellent school district. The spin is what we see today, when FCPS pretends to still be excellent and “world class,” as they like to say.

It had fewer poor and ELL kids. Those kids drag down school ratings and that's reflected in FCPS today. The schools that don't have those kids are still ranked as some of the best schools in the state

+1. Pretty much this people. A school district reflects its population. I agree this is probably just an in for the introduction of school vouchers which will further drag down public education. I do disagree with some of FCPS’s policies like not holding kids accountable for their behaviors and grading policies. This will only put more pressure on school districts to teach to standardized tests.

My friends in more voucher friendly states really appreciated the economic diversity it brought to their private schools. As someone who was educated with a hodge-podge of everything but charter schools, I don't understand why vouchers are such a bad thing. Letting poorer people have the same privilege to pick their schools as the wealthy - the HORRORS. Unless you're FEA, why be threatened?

Because a lot of charter schools are crappy AF and do not operate under the same regulations as public schools. Many are also religious based which some of us are not religious. They also can be more discerning about who they pick so the excuse that it gives poor kids more opportunities is BS.

You don’t think poor smart kids exist?

DP
Truly poor kids are not going to have access to schools via voucher. The rate of FARMS kids in some public schools will skyrocket once middle class kids leave with vouchers. If money from vouchers is pulled directly from the school system, FCPS is going to go downhill faster.

If your going-in assumption is that the schools are so bad anyone with the financial option to do so will leave, then fix the schools. Don’t trap the students.

There's no feasible way to do this that doesn't involve a ton of federal overhauls.

Then let kids leave. You can’t have it both ways that there’s no fixing the schools but also say kids and families should stay in schools that aren’t meeting their needs.

I’m all for letting them leave. Unenroll the kids two don’t show up and put the ones who can’t keep up or behave into alternative programs that are excused from accreditation standards. The focus should be on academics for those who want to learn, not baby-sitting the ones who don’t.

If the focus was on academias, families wouldn’t want to leave for private school. People are saying if vouchers were allowed everyone would leave. So fine, let them take their money and get an education. It’s fine to have such lofty ideas when your kid isn’t being treated like an inconvenience.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

If you can't see the direct impact excessive illegal immigration has had on FCPS I don't know how to help you. I know voting for a Democratic presidential candidate will do nothing to tide the flow of illegal immigration. The only thing they want to do is legalize all of the people who are here illegally which in turn will encourage more people to cross illegally.

I agree that there be too much focus on testing, but there has to be some standardized testing to show how students are performing.
 
Do your kids attend one of the heavily impacted FCPS pyramids?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

The problem is not the testing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

If you can't see the direct impact excessive illegal immigration has had on FCPS I don't know how to help you. I know voting for a Democratic presidential candidate will do nothing to tide the flow of illegal immigration. The only thing they want to do is legalize all of the people who are here illegally which in turn will encourage more people to cross illegally.

I agree that there be too much focus on testing, but there has to be some standardized testing to show how students are performing.
 
Do your kids attend one of the heavily impacted FCPS pyramids?

Are you suggesting that the immigrants here are all or mostly illegals? Where is the “excessive illegal immigration” in Fairfax county that you speak of? We are not a border state.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

If you can't see the direct impact excessive illegal immigration has had on FCPS I don't know how to help you. I know voting for a Democratic presidential candidate will do nothing to tide the flow of illegal immigration. The only thing they want to do is legalize all of the people who are here illegally which in turn will encourage more people to cross illegally.

I agree that there be too much focus on testing, but there has to be some standardized testing to show how students are performing.
 
Do your kids attend one of the heavily impacted FCPS pyramids?

Are you suggesting that the immigrants here are all or mostly illegals? Where is the “excessive illegal immigration” in Fairfax county that you speak of? We are not a border state.

Do you know the demographics of Annandale, Lewis, Mt. Vernon, Falls Church, Herndon, Justice, West Potomac, and Edison? Some percentage, and probably not small, is likely children here illegally or children of parents who came here illegally. Every state is essentially a border state - it is not hard to get to the interior. You sound like the liberal commentators who were laughing at Virginia residents about illegal immigrant crime - when in fact crime is committed across the country by illegal immigrants, not just the states that border Mexico. People like you are infuriating. I ask again, do you have children in one of the heavily impacted pyramids?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

The problem is not the testing.

Correct but part of the problem is the oversimplification of the issue. Like you just did to my post by saying testing was the sole issue I stated.

One more time for you:
CONNECTING FUNDING and ACCREDITATION to testing that is based solely upon all students ( regardless of sped or esl status) against benchmarks (not using any kind of student progress) is the biggest educational
Issue schools are facing

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

If you can't see the direct impact excessive illegal immigration has had on FCPS I don't know how to help you. I know voting for a Democratic presidential candidate will do nothing to tide the flow of illegal immigration. The only thing they want to do is legalize all of the people who are here illegally which in turn will encourage more people to cross illegally.

I agree that there be too much focus on testing, but there has to be some standardized testing to show how students are performing.
 
Do your kids attend one of the heavily impacted FCPS pyramids?

Are you suggesting that the immigrants here are all or mostly illegals? Where is the “excessive illegal immigration” in Fairfax county that you speak of? We are not a border state.

You must have missed the latest public gathering where illegal immigrants who crossed the southern border got together to rally (wink). Oh wait, with the exception of the violent crime offender you see in the news, they live mostly quietly and in the shadows, which is exactly why its hard to account for the #s. What is a hard fact is that Fairfax adopted policies over the past 5 years that advertised itself as the most illegal immigrant friendly area in Virginia. From the taxpayer paid for legal fund to assist individuals facing deportation, to the sheriff's office not honoring ICE detainers, living in Fairfax is your best bet if you are an undocumented immigrant.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

If you can't see the direct impact excessive illegal immigration has had on FCPS I don't know how to help you. I know voting for a Democratic presidential candidate will do nothing to tide the flow of illegal immigration. The only thing they want to do is legalize all of the people who are here illegally which in turn will encourage more people to cross illegally.

I agree that there be too much focus on testing, but there has to be some standardized testing to show how students are performing.
 
Do your kids attend one of the heavily impacted FCPS pyramids?

Are you suggesting that the immigrants here are all or mostly illegals? Where is the “excessive illegal immigration” in Fairfax county that you speak of? We are not a border state.

Do you know the demographics of Annandale, Lewis, Mt. Vernon, Falls Church, Herndon, Justice, West Potomac, and Edison? Some percentage, and probably not small, is likely children here illegally or children of parents who came here illegally. Every state is essentially a border state - it is not hard to get to the interior. You sound like the liberal commentators who were laughing at Virginia residents about illegal immigrant crime - when in fact crime is committed across the country by illegal immigrants, not just the states that border Mexico. People like you are infuriating. I ask again, do you have children in one of the heavily impacted pyramids?

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