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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

The problem is not the testing.

Correct but part of the problem is the oversimplification of the issue. Like you just did to my post by saying testing was the sole issue I stated.

One more time for you:
CONNECTING FUNDING and ACCREDITATION to testing that is based solely upon all students ( regardless of sped or esl status) against benchmarks (not using any kind of student progress) is the biggest educational
Issue schools are facing

I'm not oversimplifying anything. You're wrong. Funding and accreditation should be connected to testing. Why throw good money after bad?

Bc test scores are more a function of SES than anything else. Not how well teachers are teaching. So you are penalizing a school for having poor students by taking money away. It makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that if you are anti-immigration deal with that as the economic problem it really is.

Schools are being tasked with equalizing society in a way that is impossible especially as they have to run counter to economic and business policies that are driving the immigration issue.

Schools are expected to take all these kids in and get them all to the same level or be told they are failing.

In reality the business are failing to stop hiring these kids and their parents, but the schools are the only ones given the moniker of “failing.”

Absolutely. I don’t want to hear about the evil Dems not securing the border when a) the GOP has refused to negotiate, b) neither party does anything of substance against companies that hire undocumented workers bc it all comes down to $$$, and c) you know darn well
we all benefit $$-wise from illegal labor. Our food is cheaper, lawn care, construction, cleaning services, etc. If think you go about your day in Nova without not benefiting indirectly from
it, you are lying. It all comes down to money. Everything is about money. And corporations benefit the most. So ask yourselves why the federal govt hasn’t done much. And it’s not just border crossings, it’s tons of people overstaying visas.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that if you are anti-immigration deal with that as the economic problem it really is.

Schools are being tasked with equalizing society in a way that is impossible especially as they have to run counter to economic and business policies that are driving the immigration issue.

Schools are expected to take all these kids in and get them all to the same level or be told they are failing.

In reality the business are failing to stop hiring these kids and their parents, but the schools are the only ones given the moniker of “failing.”

Absolutely. I don’t want to hear about the evil Dems not securing the border when a) the GOP has refused to negotiate, b) neither party does anything of substance against companies that hire undocumented workers bc it all comes down to $$$, and c) you know darn well
we all benefit $$-wise from illegal labor. Our food is cheaper, lawn care, construction, cleaning services, etc. If think you go about your day in Nova without not benefiting indirectly from
it, you are lying. It all comes down to money. Everything is about money. And corporations benefit the most. So ask yourselves why the federal govt hasn’t done much. And it’s not just border crossings, it’s tons of people overstaying visas.

But President Trump had done something that was starting to very much stem the tide. And then President Biden immediately undid those changes. The flood gates were opened wide. And the Democrats always start from the position of trying to legalize all of the people who have already arrived illegally. That is not a valid starting point as it just beckons others to do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that if you are anti-immigration deal with that as the economic problem it really is.

Schools are being tasked with equalizing society in a way that is impossible especially as they have to run counter to economic and business policies that are driving the immigration issue.

Schools are expected to take all these kids in and get them all to the same level or be told they are failing.

In reality the business are failing to stop hiring these kids and their parents, but the schools are the only ones given the moniker of “failing.”

Absolutely. I don’t want to hear about the evil Dems not securing the border when a) the GOP has refused to negotiate, b) neither party does anything of substance against companies that hire undocumented workers bc it all comes down to $$$, and c) you know darn well
we all benefit $$-wise from illegal labor. Our food is cheaper, lawn care, construction, cleaning services, etc. If think you go about your day in Nova without not benefiting indirectly from
it, you are lying. It all comes down to money. Everything is about money. And corporations benefit the most. So ask yourselves why the federal govt hasn’t done much. And it’s not just border crossings, it’s tons of people overstaying visas.

But President Trump had done something that was starting to very much stem the tide. And then President Biden immediately undid those changes. The flood gates were opened wide. And the Democrats always start from the position of trying to legalize all of the people who have already arrived illegally. That is not a valid starting point as it just beckons others to do the same.

What was he doing?

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Ok so I know how everyone is focusing on immigrants. But what about some special ed/SPED students? How would these students fare with public schools closing and charters popping up?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I know how everyone is focusing on immigrants. But what about some special ed/SPED students? How would these students fare with public schools closing and charters popping up?

Some sped kids would be fine. The others shouldn't have been put in general ed in the first place. Unfortunately, it's one of the main reasons other kids aren't learning anything and contributes to the teachers being overwhelmed. It's also the reason why parents/kids would jump at the chance to attend a real general ed class at another school where they could learn something.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

The problem is not the testing.

Correct but part of the problem is the oversimplification of the issue. Like you just did to my post by saying testing was the sole issue I stated.

One more time for you:
CONNECTING FUNDING and ACCREDITATION to testing that is based solely upon all students ( regardless of sped or esl status) against benchmarks (not using any kind of student progress) is the biggest educational
Issue schools are facing

I'm not oversimplifying anything. You're wrong. Funding and accreditation should be connected to testing. Why throw good money after bad?

Bc test scores are more a function of SES than anything else. Not how well teachers are teaching. So you are penalizing a school for having poor students by taking money away. It makes no sense.

Maybe when we are tryin to understand gaps at the upper levels. But we are just trying to account for meeting the minimum standard. Are you saying lower SES students can’t meet the minimum?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

The problem is not the testing.

Correct but part of the problem is the oversimplification of the issue. Like you just did to my post by saying testing was the sole issue I stated.

One more time for you:
CONNECTING FUNDING and ACCREDITATION to testing that is based solely upon all students ( regardless of sped or esl status) against benchmarks (not using any kind of student progress) is the biggest educational
Issue schools are facing

I'm not oversimplifying anything. You're wrong. Funding and accreditation should be connected to testing. Why throw good money after bad?

Bc test scores are more a function of SES than anything else. Not how well teachers are teaching. So you are penalizing a school for having poor students by taking money away. It makes no sense.

So tests scores have nothing to do with not skipping class or listening and doing homework? Stop with the stale reasoning: it's not being disciplined enough to actually "do school." There are plenty of poor kids who excel since they don't buy into cultures that encourage racing to the bottom to be cool, including the rich kids of the SES groups that you're referring to that avoid that very cultural group think.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I know how everyone is focusing on immigrants. But what about some special ed/SPED students? How would these students fare with public schools closing and charters popping up?

Some sped kids would be fine. The others shouldn't have been put in general ed in the first place. Unfortunately, it's one of the main reasons other kids aren't learning anything and contributes to the teachers being overwhelmed. It's also the reason why parents/kids would jump at the chance to attend a real general ed class at another school where they could learn something.

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This is an unfortunate truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

The obvious answer would be to restart the policy where 5 unexcused absences per quarter means you fail the class. Three unexcused tardies used to equal one unexcused absence. Schools used to do this and it worked. The tradeoff is that a lot more kids will fail and it will predominately be kids who are already deemed "at risk". At some point schools decided it was better to have a bunch of kids chronically absent and graduating with basically a courtesy diploma and no actual knowledge than not graduating at all.

And when they’re 21 in 10th grade? What’s the plan then? Kick’em onto the street?

Before the recession FCPS used to have a program for people like this. Perhaps it’s time to start it back up again. Increase the night school offerings so older students who don’t have a diploma can at least get a HS education and work on their English.

Absolutely not. Why should tax payers foot the bill for this?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amazing to me how far FCPS has fallen since the mid-90s. It would have been unheard of before then to have any schools in those lower two categories.

Massive illegal immigration and far-left Democrats on the SB are all responsible for this decline and it’s shameful.

Yup we all watched it in real time. We heard teachers sounding the alarms years ago but nothing was done.

I love this because it shows just how ignorant Republicans are about themselves.

George bush was the master of No Child Left Behinc- the bill that was supposed to eliminate the “soft bigotry of low expectations” from ELL learners. This bill is the root of all current education issue. Schools are the great equalizer, but that equality needs to be looked at over 1-2 generations, not all to happen within the life time of one child brought to the USA at age 10 and expected to master a new language culture and academic achievements at the same rate of native born middle class children.

That expectation is driving so many educational issue right now.

We are dealing the consequences of NCLB a REPUBLICAN bill that has left school systems unable to meet the needs of their students because those expectations are so unreal for most students.

I say this as a child on an immigrant BTW.

I think you have your chicken and egg reversed. If the Democrats had any interest in enforcing our immigration laws, we would not be in the situation where some schools are overwhelmed by poor ESL immigrants. A smaller number of poor ESL students would be manageable, but not the huge influx FCPS and other jurisdictions have seen.

Only now that some limousine liberals may be rezoned to those overwhelmed schools do they see the folly of their ways. But then again, Fairfax will go in the tank again for a Democratic presidential candidate, and the current official designated as responsible for the border, who will do absolutely nothing about the border.

No sweetie I do not. Again, you are a republican and have a constant stream of incorrect history.

NCLB was run by Bush who changed the landscape of the American education system. He instituted standardize testing for everyone regardless of how much English that child knew and tied federal dollars to schools that brought test ‘scores ‘up.’

If his intent was to stop immigration, he should have passed more immigration bills. He didn’t. He talked about soft bigotry of low expectations and teachers were told that kids who didnt’ speak English didn’t pass the test because we were racist. I’m not making this up- this was all BUSH and the republicans.

Stop tying money to test scores and expecting children to pass tests on when they can’t speak the language the test is written int.

Immigration isn’t an education problem it is a societal and economic one. Why are you yelling at ‘schools about immigration and not all the companies that hire illegal immig]rants?

I’ll tell you why- because schools are run by mostly by women and you find it easier to blame at women than to take down a business run by a man for providing the very jobs that bring these kids parents here.

So I know where the chicken is hatched, plucked and turned into boneless skinless children breast for my store. It is in a factory that is run by a man with illegal immigrants doing the work.

Get your own chicken and eggs sorted out.

I think you missed the point. If we didn't have an overwhelming amount of illegal immigration, then certain school would not have such a burden (whether NCLB existed or not). These schools might very well look much better. I am not blaming the schools or teachers. I am blaming the voters for not understanding the consequences of their votes, the resulting policies, and the direct impact on schools. Perhaps NCLB just highlights the impacts of a high rate of illegal immigration. And if not NCLB, would other standardized testing not show the same thing? Unless of course you just want zero testing so that these facts are kept hidden. Immigration is indeed an education problem when uncontrolled.

I would like to see immigration laws relative to work enforced as well. I have absolutely no problem with that - bring it on! Your odd transition to a man-woman issue is bizarre and seems to speak to a chip on your shoulder.

I am looking at things from a different angle, but I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I’m pointing out the obvious, that rather than picking on businesses for hiring immigrants, you are choosing to pick on voters and schools. You ARE doing that and are attempting to pin voters for not voting on immigration rather than asking businesses to take a stand against higher in illegal immigrants. Why say it is the voters issue- it is an economic and business one. Again, you are picking the low hanging fruit (votes and schools with fairly compliant workforce) rather than attacking the true issue becuase you find businessmen formidable opponents and or can understand their point of view. You give credence to the idea that they should be hiring at the lowest wage to keep their profits up, but you aren’t understand that these workers come to what USA with families . Start at the heart of the issue- the workforce.

NBCLB could very easily have been written from the stand point of ensuring children make progress- and we could easily have different standards for ESL children based upon this English skill level- all ESL kids are given a very long test each year to place them in an ESL level. That could be away to assess progress along with the current battery of tests that test on a sliding scale anyway - they adjust with the test taker and can track progress not just benchmark standards.

Instead of this, money is tied to school test scores based on ALL kids reach the exact same level. THAT is the educational issue here, not immigration. The issue of all kids not meeting benchmark comes because the benchmark is normed for English speaking kids. That can be fixed by untethering test scores (which rely on English proficiency) and the funding of schools. ALL of which was brought on by BUSH and the republicans.


The economic and social problem of immigration exists because businesses give jobs to illegal immigrants. Fix that.

This is a SCHOOL forum. And I said I am all for enforcing workforce laws related to immigration status.

Clearly it is a school forum but you (singular or plural) are bringing voting and immigration into it. Repeatedly. Voting for a republican president is how we arrived at our current education policy. Voting republican isn’t the fix you (all)are claiming it to be.

The problem is not the testing.

Correct but part of the problem is the oversimplification of the issue. Like you just did to my post by saying testing was the sole issue I stated.

One more time for you:
CONNECTING FUNDING and ACCREDITATION to testing that is based solely upon all students ( regardless of sped or esl status) against benchmarks (not using any kind of student progress) is the biggest educational
Issue schools are facing

I'm not oversimplifying anything. You're wrong. Funding and accreditation should be connected to testing. Why throw good money after bad?

Bc test scores are more a function of SES than anything else. Not how well teachers are teaching. So you are penalizing a school for having poor students by taking money away. It makes no sense.

So tests scores have nothing to do with not skipping class or listening and doing homework? Stop with the stale reasoning: it's not being disciplined enough to actually "do school." There are plenty of poor kids who excel since they don't buy into cultures that encourage racing to the bottom to be cool, including the rich kids of the SES groups that you're referring to that avoid that very cultural group think.

You are getting SES and ethnic groups mixed up. I never said anything about ethnicity, you just made certain assumptions. Kids from lower SES do not have the same resources as kids from higher ones. Parental education and SES are the biggest predictors of a kid’s academic trajectory.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

The obvious answer would be to restart the policy where 5 unexcused absences per quarter means you fail the class. Three unexcused tardies used to equal one unexcused absence. Schools used to do this and it worked. The tradeoff is that a lot more kids will fail and it will predominately be kids who are already deemed "at risk". At some point schools decided it was better to have a bunch of kids chronically absent and graduating with basically a courtesy diploma and no actual knowledge than not graduating at all.

And when they’re 21 in 10th grade? What’s the plan then? Kick’em onto the street?

Before the recession FCPS used to have a program for people like this. Perhaps it’s time to start it back up again. Increase the night school offerings so older students who don’t have a diploma can at least get a HS education and work on their English.

Absolutely not. Why should tax payers foot the bill for this?

Because they’re already here and public education is a public good ………..? The earliest proponents of public education, at a time when the US was seeing huge amounts of poor immigrants arriving from poor European countries, recognized that without mandatory education and English learning, we would just have a permanent underclass of people. People who would stay poor and not learning English. Unfortunately nowadays, progressives take the position that everyone can do as they please and requiring everyone to get an education and learn English in order to succeed is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck trying to get families whose kids miss a lot of school to send theirkids to school. I have no idea what enforcement mechanism that State thinks exists to try and get parents to make their kids attend school or stay at school if they go. It sounds like a ridiculous measure since it is not one that any School or County is in a position to enforce.

Emails and phone calls have not done the trick. I doubt that we are going to see kids brought to school by Police or parents arrested for not sending kids to school. So does the VDOE have some suggestions on how to enforce attendance?

Emails and phone calls haven't worked. So I guess that's it, kids just won't go to school. /s

What a strange viewpoint you have.

What else can the schools do? they can email, call, and send letters. They cannot go to the house and make the parents send the kid to school. They cannot track down kids who are not at home or at school. What exactly do you think that the School can do to make the kid attend?

Call CPS? CPS is overwhelmed and cannot deal with the cases of that they have, to include cases of neglect and abuse, never mind adding in following families of truant kids.

Arrest the parents and charge them with a crime? Families face fines or jail time for not sending their ids to school or kids choosing to skip school? That is going to work really well for lower SES families where the kids are not going to school so they can work or are skipping school because the parent/parents are working multiple jobs and are not able to enforce attendance.

What do you do with the families that are pulling kids out of school to go on vacations during the year? I know people who get letters every year because they choose to take a cruise after Spring Break due to lower prices and pull their kids out of school for 5 days. I know people who pull their kids out to go to Disney for a week in the off season. The letters home and the emails have not stopped them from their annual trip. How are you going to enforce it with those families.

The families that are posting asking what happens when they take their kids out of school for a month to visit families overseas? People are fine with their kids being dropped from the school rolls because they know that they can re-enroll their kids when they come home. Maybe you can effect that by telling parents that if their kids are removed from the school rolls then the kid can not return to AP/IB classes and has to take Gen Ed classes. I suspect that will lead to law suits though.

The State is tying accreditation to something that they cannot enforce and School Districts cannot enforce. It is as ridiculous as expecting students with serious LDs and EDs or who are ELL to be able to score on grade level with State Wide exams. All it is going to do is point to schools that have issues that are directly tied to income, which we already know. It accomplishes nothing and offers no way to address the known issues.

The obvious answer would be to restart the policy where 5 unexcused absences per quarter means you fail the class. Three unexcused tardies used to equal one unexcused absence. Schools used to do this and it worked. The tradeoff is that a lot more kids will fail and it will predominately be kids who are already deemed "at risk". At some point schools decided it was better to have a bunch of kids chronically absent and graduating with basically a courtesy diploma and no actual knowledge than not graduating at all.

And when they’re 21 in 10th grade? What’s the plan then? Kick’em onto the street?

Before the recession FCPS used to have a program for people like this. Perhaps it’s time to start it back up again. Increase the night school offerings so older students who don’t have a diploma can at least get a HS education and work on their English.

Absolutely not. Why should tax payers foot the bill for this?

Because they’re already here and public education is a public good ………..? The earliest proponents of public education, at a time when the US was seeing huge amounts of poor immigrants arriving from poor European countries, recognized that without mandatory education and English learning, we would just have a permanent underclass of people. People who would stay poor and not learning English. Unfortunately nowadays, progressives take the position that everyone can do as they please and requiring everyone to get an education and learn English in order to succeed is racist.

You have an extraordinary ability to over simplify problems and spin incorrect narratives.

Let me put it in trumpian like speech for you:

The kids you know the immigrant kids they aren’t bad kids they are just learning English kids. They are good people. They can’t take a test in English the second the come off the boat. They don’t speak it. So they need more TIME more TIME more TIME to learn English and the other math and science and stuff. That’s what the blue people say. They need more TIME before they can pass those tests like the “normal kids.”

Maybe that will help you.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add that if you are anti-immigration deal with that as the economic problem it really is.

Schools are being tasked with equalizing society in a way that is impossible especially as they have to run counter to economic and business policies that are driving the immigration issue.

Schools are expected to take all these kids in and get them all to the same level or be told they are failing.

In reality the business are failing to stop hiring these kids and their parents, but the schools are the only ones given the moniker of “failing.”

Absolutely. I don’t want to hear about the evil Dems not securing the border when a) the GOP has refused to negotiate, b) neither party does anything of substance against companies that hire undocumented workers bc it all comes down to $$$, and c) you know darn well
we all benefit $$-wise from illegal labor. Our food is cheaper, lawn care, construction, cleaning services, etc. If think you go about your day in Nova without not benefiting indirectly from
it, you are lying. It all comes down to money. Everything is about money. And corporations benefit the most. So ask yourselves why the federal govt hasn’t done much. And it’s not just border crossings, it’s tons of people overstaying visas.

But President Trump had done something that was starting to very much stem the tide. And then President Biden immediately undid those changes. The flood gates were opened wide. And the Democrats always start from the position of trying to legalize all of the people who have already arrived illegally. That is not a valid starting point as it just beckons others to do the same.

What was he doing?

The entire list of executive orders on the border that Biden proudly undid the very first day in office. For starters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will add that if you are anti-immigration deal with that as the economic problem it really is.

Schools are being tasked with equalizing society in a way that is impossible especially as they have to run counter to economic and business policies that are driving the immigration issue.

Schools are expected to take all these kids in and get them all to the same level or be told they are failing.

In reality the business are failing to stop hiring these kids and their parents, but the schools are the only ones given the moniker of “failing.”

Absolutely. I don’t want to hear about the evil Dems not securing the border when a) the GOP has refused to negotiate, b) neither party does anything of substance against companies that hire undocumented workers bc it all comes down to $$$, and c) you know darn well
we all benefit $$-wise from illegal labor. Our food is cheaper, lawn care, construction, cleaning services, etc. If think you go about your day in Nova without not benefiting indirectly from
it, you are lying. It all comes down to money. Everything is about money. And corporations benefit the most. So ask yourselves why the federal govt hasn’t done much. And it’s not just border crossings, it’s tons of people overstaying visas.

But President Trump had done something that was starting to very much stem the tide. And then President Biden immediately undid those changes. The flood gates were opened wide. And the Democrats always start from the position of trying to legalize all of the people who have already arrived illegally. That is not a valid starting point as it just beckons others to do the same.

What was he doing?

LOL