WOW, if there is height/athleticism in your family, have your kid play football

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey looks pretty amazing from the draft yesterday. I think I read the lowest salary is $750,000 in the NHL?

Hockey has a huge farm system like baseball minor leagues where you make peanuts until called up to the NHL.

Like baseball, there are many players that never get called up.

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Anonymous wrote:Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

Then your school isn’t a football powerhouse. In Baltimore, we have Spalding and Saint Francis. But as has been said numerous times in this thread, the South and Midwest continue to produce tons of football playing kids.

[Anonymous]

Adding there is a definite racial bias in this thread. If you don’t know any kids playing football, perhaps you don’t know any kids of different races or ethnicities of your own.

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Anonymous wrote:Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

Then your school isn’t a football powerhouse. In Baltimore, we have Spalding and Saint Francis. But as has been said numerous times in this thread, the South and Midwest continue to produce tons of football playing kids.

I’m in the Midwest. We send teams to states every year. HS Football as a whole is unpopular

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Anonymous wrote:Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

Then your school isn’t a football powerhouse. In Baltimore, we have Spalding and Saint Francis. But as has been said numerous times in this thread, the South and Midwest continue to produce tons of football playing kids.

So can anyone explain why Ivy and similar D1-III football programs are so much smaller and worse than the other D1 teams?

Princeton basketball made it to the sweet 16 two years ago so they could hang against Power 5 teams.

However, Princeton football would never play a Power 5 football team due to risk of serious injury to multiple players.

Clearly there is a disconnect between who gets recruited to those teams vs all the kids across the country that play football.

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Anonymous wrote:Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

Then your school isn’t a football powerhouse. In Baltimore, we have Spalding and Saint Francis. But as has been said numerous times in this thread, the South and Midwest continue to produce tons of football playing kids.

So can anyone explain why Ivy and similar D1-III football programs are so much smaller and worse than the other D1 teams?

Princeton basketball made it to the sweet 16 two years ago so they could hang against Power 5 teams.

However, Princeton football would never play a Power 5 football team due to risk of serious injury to multiple players.

Clearly there is a disconnect between who gets recruited to those teams vs all the kids across the country that play football.

5 v 5 and 22 v 22. Easier in hoops to get 1 or 2 players to make it competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:So surprised people are so skeptical. It really is happening. Son’s friend played travel soccer for years as goalie and field player, rec basketball (has been asked to try out by many club basketball teams), summer swim team, and other rec sports. He had always been very tall, built, and is fast. Always excelled in sports.

He started playing in football for the first time in hs. He was over 6 foot as a freshman and has great foot skills from soccer. Started playing varsity football as a freshman. This was right after COVID so not sure how that affected how many varsity spots. He is being recruited now by top schools. He is smart and taking the mainly the most rigorous path but not perfect straight A’s. He is 6’4”. He is absolutely being recruited by Ivy League football teams and other top universities as a junior.

Yep, I know another kid like this. Athletic, tall (6'3"?) lacrosse player. Started playing football in 9th grade. Joined varsity in 11th. Now a rising senior and he's going to all the summer football camps and has his first Ivy offer. Grades are good but not perfect and low rigor. Top prep school.

There are also so, so few boys in the better publics and privates playing football these days. It's walk-on everywhere. Most athletic boys are choosing other sports. Yet every college has a football team and needs the bodies. So academic standards will continue to decline for the smarter football players. There just aren't a lot of them. It's a definite hook, but the tradeoffs are high. But Harvard and Yale and Dartmouth still need players that can function in a classroom. And there are so few football players now generally, particularly those that have the basic academic chops for the better schools. Obviously the really good football players are going to Georgia or Texas or other major schools. So you don't even need to be particularly good for an Ivy League school.

Hold on. We need a little perspective here - a power 5 football player is a freak of nature. Almost every power 5 stater is going to be in his highschool’s hall of fame. A recruited player at an Ivy is still a damn good player- multi-year starter and probably made all district and all regional teams as a sophomore or junior. Most will make all state or all met as a senior. That’s not power 5 but a long way from “not being particularly good.”

The prior poster has it correct

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Anonymous wrote:My son goes to a top academic private school that also has a football team.
He has friends (from this school and an almost identical one) who have football offers from Duke, UVA, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Boston College (these are all different kids and some have multiple offers, not listed). They are mostly white.
They're smart enough---GPAs around 3.5---or middle-of-the-pack for the grade--- and they play football well enough (nothing spectacular or all-state but they're tall and athletic).
However, the elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.
The kids are literally choosing their colleges.

Meanwhile the academic kids in the grade are killing themselves to get a 3.9 for some chance at getting into a top school on grades, scores, extracurriculars.

Moral of the story: if you have height and athleticism in your family--have your kid play football. Better yet: have them attend an elite private too. They'll walk into an Ivy and won't have to sweat out the grades.

You are a sad example of how single-minded some DCUM posters are about status/USNWR rankings.

You are telling people to have their smart children play a game that causes brain damage, and holds no interest for them, so they can get into a higher ranked school.

Think about that!

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Anonymous wrote:My son goes to a top academic private school that also has a football team.
He has friends (from this school and an almost identical one) who have football offers from Duke, UVA, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Boston College (these are all different kids and some have multiple offers, not listed). They are mostly white.
They're smart enough---GPAs around 3.5---or middle-of-the-pack for the grade--- and they play football well enough (nothing spectacular or all-state but they're tall and athletic).
However, the elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.
The kids are literally choosing their colleges.

Meanwhile the academic kids in the grade are killing themselves to get a 3.9 for some chance at getting into a top school on grades, scores, extracurriculars.

Moral of the story: if you have height and athleticism in your family--have your kid play football. Better yet: have them attend an elite private too. They'll walk into an Ivy and won't have to sweat out the grades.

No brainer here. I would rather pick a well rounded athletic and smart kid than a geek for sure!

That is really concerning. Anti-intellectualism once again making its round on DCUM

Intellectualism hasn’t really worked for the world so far.

Okay Trumpy.

You have not noted any impressive inventions/discoveries in the last 100 years? 🤔

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Anonymous wrote:My son goes to a top academic private school that also has a football team.
He has friends (from this school and an almost identical one) who have football offers from Duke, UVA, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, Harvard, Boston College (these are all different kids and some have multiple offers, not listed). They are mostly white.
They're smart enough---GPAs around 3.5---or middle-of-the-pack for the grade--- and they play football well enough (nothing spectacular or all-state but they're tall and athletic).
However, the elite universities are THRILLED to take these kids because they can do the academic work and fill a spot on their football roster.
The kids are literally choosing their colleges.

Meanwhile the academic kids in the grade are killing themselves to get a 3.9 for some chance at getting into a top school on grades, scores, extracurriculars.

Moral of the story: if you have height and athleticism in your family--have your kid play football. Better yet: have them attend an elite private too. They'll walk into an Ivy and won't have to sweat out the grades.

No brainer here. I would rather pick a well rounded athletic and smart kid than a geek for sure!

That is really concerning. Anti-intellectualism once again making its round on DCUM

Intellectualism hasn’t really worked for the world so far.

New poster here. Intellectual, knowledgeable, and ethical people are the only group preventing global war, but you're too stupid to comprehend their incremental and behind-the-scenes efforts.

Right.

My first reaction to the world’s problems would not be, “we need more football players.”

But then again, my first reaction to the United States’ epidemic of gun violence is not “we need more guns.”

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Anonymous wrote:Either your kid goes to a football academy or that didn't happen. If your kid does go to a school where the whole team gets recruited, the odds are very good that the high school coach also recruited

OP here. No, he does not. It's a independent prep school.
Not making this up.

In several cases, these kids have not even played a lot of football. One is not even a starter. One is primarily a track and field athlete. What they are is super athletic and tall/big. In one case that I know well, the coach has basically said: "i know you can do the work at this university and pay the bill and we we can teach you the football piece."
It makes you realize how hard it is to fill the football rosters at some schools (Ivy and similar) both with kids who can do the academic work. It's been wild to see. These kids are completely middle-of-the-pack academically at this tough high school.

Reminds me of how tall girls seem to always make the volleyball team. Shorter girls definitely need more skill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding there is a definite racial bias in this thread. If you don’t know any kids playing football, perhaps you don’t know any kids of different races or ethnicities of your own.

middlebury (etc): "hold my beer"
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster

[Anonymous]

Or op you could ask yourself why so few parents are willing to gamble with scrambling their sons brains no matter the prize and check your own reasoning…

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Anonymous wrote:Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

Then your school isn’t a football powerhouse. In Baltimore, we have Spalding and Saint Francis. But as has been said numerous times in this thread, the South and Midwest continue to produce tons of football playing kids.

So can anyone explain why Ivy and similar D1-III football programs are so much smaller and worse than the other D1 teams?

Princeton basketball made it to the sweet 16 two years ago so they could hang against Power 5 teams.

However, Princeton football would never play a Power 5 football team due to risk of serious injury to multiple players.

Clearly there is a disconnect between who gets recruited to those teams vs all the kids across the country that play football.

5 v 5 and 22 v 22. Easier in hoops to get 1 or 2 players to make it competitive.

You are missing the point…in basically every other D1 sport an Ivy can compete against a Power 5. They won’t necessarily win, but at least they play each other. In certain sports like LAX, the Ivy would actually be the favorite.

Penn just lost to UVA baseball 4-2 in the College World Series regionals…Penn would lose by over 50 points easily against UVA in football.

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Anonymous wrote:Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

Then your school isn’t a football powerhouse. In Baltimore, we have Spalding and Saint Francis. But as has been said numerous times in this thread, the South and Midwest continue to produce tons of football playing kids.

So can anyone explain why Ivy and similar D1-III football programs are so much smaller and worse than the other D1 teams?

Princeton basketball made it to the sweet 16 two years ago so they could hang against Power 5 teams.

However, Princeton football would never play a Power 5 football team due to risk of serious injury to multiple players.

Clearly there is a disconnect between who gets recruited to those teams vs all the kids across the country that play football.

5 v 5 and 22 v 22. Easier in hoops to get 1 or 2 players to make it competitive.

You are missing the point…in basically every other D1 sport an Ivy can compete against a Power 5. They won’t necessarily win, but at least they play each other. In certain sports like LAX, the Ivy would actually be the favorite.

Penn just lost to UVA baseball 4-2 in the College World Series regionals…Penn would lose by over 50 points easily against UVA in football.

This isn't unique to Harvard/Ivy. They play at the FCS level of FB (just like WM, Richmond, Gtown, HBCUs etc). WM regularly plays UVA and yes, gets crushed. Occasionally they may play it close for a half. WM and others are competitive in other sports against the big schools. FB is the most Scholarship heavy sport. Ivy does not offer athletic scholarships.