WOW, if there is height/athleticism in your family, have your kid play football

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No one here has given a reason why recruited athletes should be RECRUITED rather than treated like other extracurriculars for admission to an academically challenging institution.

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Anonymous wrote:No one here has given a reason why recruited athletes should be RECRUITED rather than treated like other extracurriculars for admission to an academically challenging institution.

Money.

Obviously at the big D1 football schools like Alabama and Michigan. But even Vanderbilt is making a billion over ten years as part of the SEC. I'd imagine Notre Dame, Stanford, Northwestern, and Duke are all finding football very profitable as well. Even if they have losing teams, the tv contracts and shared revenue arrangements in the big conferences are significant revenue generators. And Notre Dame is Notre Dame.

Why it might matter at Yale or Amherst is a mystery they'll have to explain themselves. I'd guess alumni donations. And fostering a sense of community since a lot of alumni do care about football.

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Anonymous wrote:Either your kid goes to a football academy or that didn't happen. If your kid does go to a school where the whole team gets recruited, the odds are very good that the high school coach also recruited

OP here. No, he does not. It's a independent prep school.
Not making this up.

In several cases, these kids have not even played a lot of football. One is not even a starter. One is primarily a track and field athlete. What they are is super athletic and tall/big. In one case that I know well, the coach has basically said: "i know you can do the work at this university and pay the bill and we we can teach you the football piece."
It makes you realize how hard it is to fill the football rosters at some schools (Ivy and similar) both with kids who can do the academic work. It's been wild to see. These kids are completely middle-of-the-pack academically at this tough high school.

I doubt this. Football is not an easy sport even though people might think that. There are way too many excellent high school football players with good GPAs. Just being athletic and tall won’t be enough. You have to know the game and know how to play the game. I’m calling this bull.

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Anonymous wrote:If a kid is 6’5 or taller, yes, this can happen. Have to be ok with your kid playing on the offense or defensive line.

No, it can’t happen.

This is a description of a random Harvard football player .

Before Harvard:

“Earned First Team All-Conference as a senior and Second Team All-Conference as a junior … Set a single-season school record with 149 tackles … Earned three varsity letters, playing as a linebacker, running back, and kicker “

College rosters in sports gives information on their high school careers. Name one who didn’t play football.

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Anonymous wrote:It's such a gross system. 3.5 is frankly terrible for the ivies, but, because some kid spent more time tackling and catching a ball, they will surpass all the kids hard working academic students who might add much more to the campus community. Recruitment makes me sick. Does any other nation allow some of its brightest students to be surpassed by athletes? Last I checked, Oxford doesn't need sports recruits to keep its global prestige, why do top colleges?

What does the average good student add to the campus community? Meanwhile 51,000 people attended the Game last year to watch those 3.5 kids tackle each other

6.4 million people tuned in to the League of Legends world tournament - how much preference should their players get?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's such a gross system. 3.5 is frankly terrible for the ivies, but, because some kid spent more time tackling and catching a ball, they will surpass all the kids hard working academic students who might add much more to the campus community. Recruitment makes me sick. Does any other nation allow some of its brightest students to be surpassed by athletes? Last I checked, Oxford doesn't need sports recruits to keep its global prestige, why do top colleges?

What does the average good student add to the campus community? Meanwhile 51,000 people attended the Game last year to watch those 3.5 kids tackle each other

Why does this at all determine your admission to Harvard? It's not like any sizeable amount go on to professional leagues that justifies the massive rah rah schools. It's a backdoor for wealthy kids. Take away the football example, explain to me what softball or rugby are adding that needs to have recruiting.

Softball is needed to balance football for title ix. Rugby is a club sport with no admission bump

And men's softball?

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Anonymous wrote:Much better odds for ice hockey and lacrosse players: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/2/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-college-athletics.aspx

This does not focus on highly selective schools nor does it account for parental income or other socioeconomic factors.

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Anonymous wrote:If a kid is 6’5 or taller, yes, this can happen. Have to be ok with your kid playing on the offense or defensive line.

Offensive lineman is actually one of the safest football positions in terms of CTE risk.

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The history of Ivy was built on athletics.
Of course they will draw kids who have something to bring to their schools legacy while also keeping up with the work.

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Troll. Troll. Those of us with recruiting kids know this is fake.

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https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/pro_beyond/2019RES_ProbabilityBeyondHSFiguresMethod.pdf

For men, larger percentage of hockey and lacrosse players play in college.

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Hockey looks pretty amazing from the draft yesterday. I think I read the lowest salary is $750,000 in the NHL?

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DCUMs love a high salary coming out of college!!! Unless that salary goes to human not birthed by them…

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Football is so unpopular now that our football powerhouse HS takes every kid and could use more. 15 years ago, there were try outs that cut 1/2 the kids.

Best the top 5 kids on M or F soccer teams at our school is really hard. Ditto swimming and track/cc and basketball. Football? Nope.

Yet, colleges need more FB players than swimmers or soccer players.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey looks pretty amazing from the draft yesterday. I think I read the lowest salary is $750,000 in the NHL?

Every hockey kid has to do at least one 5th year at a prep school if they want to play in college.

The average age of a college hockey player is higher than nearly all sports.

Ironically…the phenoms that don’t have to do the prep school are drafted straight to the NHL and go into their farm system.

No different from baseball where close to 50% of first and second round MLB picks come from HS.