How to ace the HOPE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, when did teachers receive this training? Trying to figure out if our HOPE form was filled out before or after training.

I want to know this, too. When did teachers receive training?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HOPE aims for equitable identification. Going solely by objective test scores has not been resulting in ideal equity composition. HOPE is our new hope for achieving equity. It's likely high scorers may not get identified by HOPE but then that's why we have appeal process.

Not sure what the "ideal equity composition" is. Not all students perform the same, have the same academic talents, or work as hard. An advanced academic program may not be comprised of exactly proportionate percentages of any group which exists in FCPS. Students who qualify based on scores shouldn't have to appeal. "Forcing" the situation to accommodate poorer students isn't doing anyone any favors. My kid got great test scores and great HOPE scores, so I don't have a personal vendetta against the HOPE assessment, but I also think it's not a reliable input (as in different raters might not rate the same student the same way).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HOPE aims for equitable identification. Going solely by objective test scores has not been resulting in ideal equity composition. HOPE is our new hope for achieving equity. It's likely high scorers may not get identified by HOPE but then that's why we have appeal process.

Not sure what the "ideal equity composition" is. Not all students perform the same, have the same academic talents, or work as hard. An advanced academic program may not be comprised of exactly proportionate percentages of any group which exists in FCPS. Students who qualify based on scores shouldn't have to appeal. "Forcing" the situation to accommodate poorer students isn't doing anyone any favors. My kid got great test scores and great HOPE scores, so I don't have a personal vendetta against the HOPE assessment, but I also think it's not a reliable input (as in different raters might not rate the same student the same way).

All possible approaches have been attempted, yet achieving an equitable composition remains a challenge. HOPE provides a mechanism for equitable identification by requiring teachers to compare kids within their cultural group. Some argue teachers may not be able to assess students accurately based on social factors, but training revisions is expected to bring more clarity to the ratings assignment. HOPE is a licensed method with published manuals and forms, so the official manual has to be followed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HOPE aims for equitable identification. Going solely by objective test scores has not been resulting in ideal equity composition. HOPE is our new hope for achieving equity. It's likely high scorers may not get identified by HOPE but then that's why we have appeal process.

Not sure what the "ideal equity composition" is. Not all students perform the same, have the same academic talents, or work as hard. An advanced academic program may not be comprised of exactly proportionate percentages of any group which exists in FCPS. Students who qualify based on scores shouldn't have to appeal. "Forcing" the situation to accommodate poorer students isn't doing anyone any favors. My kid got great test scores and great HOPE scores, so I don't have a personal vendetta against the HOPE assessment, but I also think it's not a reliable input (as in different raters might not rate the same student the same way).

All possible approaches have been attempted, yet achieving an equitable composition remains a challenge. HOPE provides a mechanism for equitable identification by requiring teachers to compare kids within their cultural group. Some argue teachers may not be able to assess students accurately based on social factors, but training revisions is expected to bring more clarity to the ratings assignment. HOPE is a licensed method with published manuals and forms, so the official manual has to be followed.

Blah blah blah.

Sorry PP but you are wrong. FCPS is not using the HOPE scores the way that you keep posting about.

[Anonymous]

On the FCPS HOPE form, is the teacher instructed to "compare" each student to their peers, or does it require the teacher to assess each student independently based on their own behavior and merit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the FCPS HOPE form, is the teacher instructed to "compare" each student to their peers, or does it require the teacher to assess each student independently based on their own behavior and merit?

"A completed HOPE Rating Scale is required for each student being screened for Advanced Academic
services. When rating a student for each item please think about how often the student exhibits
behaviors compared to other children of similar age, experience, and/or environment."

https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf

[Anonymous]

with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

[Anonymous]

The only group they should be compared with is other second graders. Having an equitable distribution --if you are talking about racial quotas--isn't attainable or desirable for an Advanced Academic Program. Let the kids take multiple screening tests, use their report cards, etc and let the chips fall where they may. AAP isn't the place to give students a leg up; parents and teachers can offer tutoring or other assistance so they are better positioned for MS and HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

I'd guess the only possible "special" groups would be other level II kids or Young Scholars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

Either the other kids in the class as a whole or the kids being considered for LIV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

Either the other kids in the class as a whole or the kids being considered for LIV.

Except there are three posts indicating the HOPE ratings are filled out in Nov., before AAP referral were due in Dec.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

Either the other kids in the class as a whole or the kids being considered for LIV.

Except there are three posts indicating the HOPE ratings are filled out in Nov., before AAP referral were due in Dec.

Then against the whole class, which should help a candidate stand out since they are being compared academically against kids who are not as strong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

Either the other kids in the class as a whole or the kids being considered for LIV.

Except there are three posts indicating the HOPE ratings are filled out in Nov., before AAP referral were due in Dec.

Then against the whole class, which should help a candidate stand out since they are being compared academically against kids who are not as strong.

Or the whole class and the teacher's prior experience with 2nd graders in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:with these HOPE groupings, is there any way to find out what group DC is in and who they are being compared to?

Either the other kids in the class as a whole or the kids being considered for LIV.

Except there are three posts indicating the HOPE ratings are filled out in Nov., before AAP referral were due in Dec.

Then against the whole class, which should help a candidate stand out since they are being compared academically against kids who are not as strong.

Social factors get looked at, when academic factors are weak. Something is needed on paper to justify selection of students that are academically lacking, and social factors provide the grounds. Even with social factors, at whole class level it gets competitive, so HOPE prescribes grouping and comparison within cultural group.

[Anonymous]

HOPE has a few Always. but if iready scores are in 80 percentile, is AAP a good fit?