No homework???

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think it's about policing homework. With the proliferation of "problem solving" websites, there really is very little benefit of assigning homework. I'm not sure it's about having to grade the assignment (you can use a Google form and it's relatively very low burden to teachers). I think in general teachers don't find it useful anymore because there's no way to suss out whether the student is using a tool to do the homework. If they are, what is actually the point of going through that effort? I used to be heavily pro-homework and was appalled with the FCPS policy but as I've experienced with my own two kids, homework assignments are a very intangible measure.

Yes, teacher here, teaching English, and it's pointless. I'm not going to sit around and grade chatGPT all day.

Then hold them accountable for the information in class. If they know it, they know it. If they don’t, then it will reflect. Pretty wild that teachers don’t know how to hold kids accountable for information they’ve told a kid to learn?

DP: we do know how! It’s by making all assignments and assessments *in class* so kids do it themselves vs sending home homework.

I haven’t stopped giving HW because I am tired, I’ve stopped giving hw because I literally see better results structuring my class so all practice is done in front of me.

So less teaching than before or less work. Got it.

That’s called class work. And a lot of time they have to wait on others and just sit around.

I guess that’s where we are these days. No books and no homework. 30 kids of five different levels and languages all vying for one teachers attention who is burdened with admin busy work and, lol, zero days.

Yikes.

I don’t know what kind of classroom you are sitting and observing, but I promise you there is no “waiting on others”. Why would there be? The only one they sometimes have to wait on is me if I’m engaged with another kid, but I’ve gotten really good over the years at spreading myself to get everyone and structuring seating to maximize needy kids in one zone so I can remediate them all at once.

Block schedule makes my math class run smoothly with plenty of in class practice. It’s not less work. My “homework” from 15+ years ago when we had 47 minute periods is just part of the “classwork” today in an 85 minute block. Same amount of work! Just finally done correctly and by the student.

But this year I’ll be making new homework in addition to it, apparently, because that’s the rule.

Your class may be a model of efficiency but many of my kids teachers were not providing that experience. There is a lot of idle time.

And I don’t think you are understanding the math. 85 minutes plus 20 minutes of homework is 105 minutes of learning time. That is more than just 85 minutes of total learning time. That’s hours and and hours of in class instruction every quarter. 20 minutes is a bare minimum for essentially two nights.

The reality is there was already in class problem work AND homework. Now there is less overall work.

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Anonymous wrote:Just moved into the county and was told by my elementary and middle schools that they don’t give ANY homework. Is that right?? Is it just by schools or is this FCPS wide?

How in the heck can students be prepared without any homework??

You do understand this is in response to parent demands right?

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The kids need time to build their resumes for college admissions. They don’t have time for book learning’ at home.

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Anonymous wrote:I just started teaching in FCPS. We give minimal homework and only because they said we have to this year. I have 90 minutes of planning time twice a week to get ready for 6 hours of teaching a day, plus all the ridiculous nonsense admin insists we do that does nothing but add work. We haven't even started the year and I've barely slept all week, hardly had time to eat, and am already feeling like I'm going to either cry or throw up at the amount of work I am expected to do before Monday. I haven't seen my children or husband all week, and the year hasn't even started. It's going to be a million times worse next week.

So no, I'm not sending a bunch of work home so you can feel good about it and it can add to my already enormous grading workload. I'm at my limit. Your kid doesn't need homework. Studies show it doesn't even make any difference.

What grade do you teach?

High school. And yes, I also taught back before it was like this. Before we had millions of meetings about nothing and when we actually had textbooks and were given a curriculum. I have been given nothing, absolute zilch. I have no textbook, no curriculum other than a vague list of SOL's in random order, no materials whatsoever, and classes with students that range from not speaking a word of English or having a severe disability to getting ready to go to college (all in the same class). I have four classes and three different subjects and two different grade levels and three co-teachers I am expected to plan with every day (but we have no common planning time, which means after school and weekends). Two of my co-teachers have never taught before in their lives and I am expected to teach them everything as well. I'm still grateful to have them, but this is the fastest I've ever felt this exhausted and burnt out in all my 20 years of teaching. I've been working twelve-hour days all week and then going home and working more, and now admin wants me to write every day's learning target on the board and they are going to come into my classroom and quiz random students to make sure they can tell them the learning target and also explain why they need to learn it. I hope they don't ask one of the kids who doesn't speak English yet.

A lot of teachers just don't really care, and this is why. Because it's nearly impossible to do a good job in these circumstances unless you work around the clock, and then it's still impossible, and it's probably just easier to spend days posting learning targets and making sure kids are ready for random admin quizzes than it is to actually teach something.

I genuinely do not understand this. Why do we do this to teachers? It seems so absurd. How are they supposed to teach without a foundation to teach from? Why do we force thousands of them to re-invent the wheel every year? It’s literally nonsensical.

There is tons of material. Teachers dont want it. Don't ask me why. They also dont share materials. Its just a really weird profession that way. Must be over 300 Teachers per grade in the same subject per year just within FCPS. Boggles the mind.

Where is the material? It doesn’t seek from teachers like there are resources from FCPS to make the classes “plug and play” in an easy way.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think it's about policing homework. With the proliferation of "problem solving" websites, there really is very little benefit of assigning homework. I'm not sure it's about having to grade the assignment (you can use a Google form and it's relatively very low burden to teachers). I think in general teachers don't find it useful anymore because there's no way to suss out whether the student is using a tool to do the homework. If they are, what is actually the point of going through that effort? I used to be heavily pro-homework and was appalled with the FCPS policy but as I've experienced with my own two kids, homework assignments are a very intangible measure.

Yes, teacher here, teaching English, and it's pointless. I'm not going to sit around and grade chatGPT all day.

Then hold them accountable for the information in class. If they know it, they know it. If they don’t, then it will reflect. Pretty wild that teachers don’t know how to hold kids accountable for information they’ve told a kid to learn?

Spoken like someone who has never taught a day in their life. You would not survive ten minutes in my school.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think it's about policing homework. With the proliferation of "problem solving" websites, there really is very little benefit of assigning homework. I'm not sure it's about having to grade the assignment (you can use a Google form and it's relatively very low burden to teachers). I think in general teachers don't find it useful anymore because there's no way to suss out whether the student is using a tool to do the homework. If they are, what is actually the point of going through that effort? I used to be heavily pro-homework and was appalled with the FCPS policy but as I've experienced with my own two kids, homework assignments are a very intangible measure.

Yes, teacher here, teaching English, and it's pointless. I'm not going to sit around and grade chatGPT all day.

Then hold them accountable for the information in class. If they know it, they know it. If they don’t, then it will reflect. Pretty wild that teachers don’t know how to hold kids accountable for information they’ve told a kid to learn?

Spoken like someone who has never taught a day in their life. You would not survive ten minutes in my school.

Sounds like failing kids and holding them back needs to be back on the table.

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Anonymous wrote:I just started teaching in FCPS. We give minimal homework and only because they said we have to this year. I have 90 minutes of planning time twice a week to get ready for 6 hours of teaching a day, plus all the ridiculous nonsense admin insists we do that does nothing but add work. We haven't even started the year and I've barely slept all week, hardly had time to eat, and am already feeling like I'm going to either cry or throw up at the amount of work I am expected to do before Monday. I haven't seen my children or husband all week, and the year hasn't even started. It's going to be a million times worse next week.

So no, I'm not sending a bunch of work home so you can feel good about it and it can add to my already enormous grading workload. I'm at my limit. Your kid doesn't need homework. Studies show it doesn't even make any difference.

What grade do you teach?

High school. And yes, I also taught back before it was like this. Before we had millions of meetings about nothing and when we actually had textbooks and were given a curriculum. I have been given nothing, absolute zilch. I have no textbook, no curriculum other than a vague list of SOL's in random order, no materials whatsoever, and classes with students that range from not speaking a word of English or having a severe disability to getting ready to go to college (all in the same class). I have four classes and three different subjects and two different grade levels and three co-teachers I am expected to plan with every day (but we have no common planning time, which means after school and weekends). Two of my co-teachers have never taught before in their lives and I am expected to teach them everything as well. I'm still grateful to have them, but this is the fastest I've ever felt this exhausted and burnt out in all my 20 years of teaching. I've been working twelve-hour days all week and then going home and working more, and now admin wants me to write every day's learning target on the board and they are going to come into my classroom and quiz random students to make sure they can tell them the learning target and also explain why they need to learn it. I hope they don't ask one of the kids who doesn't speak English yet.

A lot of teachers just don't really care, and this is why. Because it's nearly impossible to do a good job in these circumstances unless you work around the clock, and then it's still impossible, and it's probably just easier to spend days posting learning targets and making sure kids are ready for random admin quizzes than it is to actually teach something.

I genuinely do not understand this. Why do we do this to teachers? It seems so absurd. How are they supposed to teach without a foundation to teach from? Why do we force thousands of them to re-invent the wheel every year? It’s literally nonsensical.

I’m curious to know what subject the PP teaches. There should be a Pacing Guide with resources and not just a random list of SOLs.

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Anonymous wrote:Just moved into the county and was told by my elementary and middle schools that they don’t give ANY homework. Is that right?? Is it just by schools or is this FCPS wide?

How in the heck can students be prepared without any homework??

You do understand this is in response to parent demands right?

There is a hw requirement this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Just moved into the county and was told by my elementary and middle schools that they don’t give ANY homework. Is that right?? Is it just by schools or is this FCPS wide?

How in the heck can students be prepared without any homework??

You do understand this is in response to parent demands right?

All comes down to equity. Parents too dumb/lazy to oversee homework, so we can’t have any. So, Larlo and Larla become part of a generational chain of stupidity.

Responsible parents who can’t afford private K-12 supplement kids education all the way through salvaging FCPS’s reputation.

Hopefully vouchers will change that dynamic.

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I have kids in MS and HS in FCPS. Both have always had homework since about 3rd grade (both were in AAP). Often, quite a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:I just started teaching in FCPS. We give minimal homework and only because they said we have to this year. I have 90 minutes of planning time twice a week to get ready for 6 hours of teaching a day, plus all the ridiculous nonsense admin insists we do that does nothing but add work. We haven't even started the year and I've barely slept all week, hardly had time to eat, and am already feeling like I'm going to either cry or throw up at the amount of work I am expected to do before Monday. I haven't seen my children or husband all week, and the year hasn't even started. It's going to be a million times worse next week.

So no, I'm not sending a bunch of work home so you can feel good about it and it can add to my already enormous grading workload. I'm at my limit. Your kid doesn't need homework. Studies show it doesn't even make any difference.

What grade do you teach?

High school. And yes, I also taught back before it was like this. Before we had millions of meetings about nothing and when we actually had textbooks and were given a curriculum. I have been given nothing, absolute zilch. I have no textbook, no curriculum other than a vague list of SOL's in random order, no materials whatsoever, and classes with students that range from not speaking a word of English or having a severe disability to getting ready to go to college (all in the same class). I have four classes and three different subjects and two different grade levels and three co-teachers I am expected to plan with every day (but we have no common planning time, which means after school and weekends). Two of my co-teachers have never taught before in their lives and I am expected to teach them everything as well. I'm still grateful to have them, but this is the fastest I've ever felt this exhausted and burnt out in all my 20 years of teaching. I've been working twelve-hour days all week and then going home and working more, and now admin wants me to write every day's learning target on the board and they are going to come into my classroom and quiz random students to make sure they can tell them the learning target and also explain why they need to learn it. I hope they don't ask one of the kids who doesn't speak English yet.

A lot of teachers just don't really care, and this is why. Because it's nearly impossible to do a good job in these circumstances unless you work around the clock, and then it's still impossible, and it's probably just easier to spend days posting learning targets and making sure kids are ready for random admin quizzes than it is to actually teach something.

I genuinely do not understand this. Why do we do this to teachers? It seems so absurd. How are they supposed to teach without a foundation to teach from? Why do we force thousands of them to re-invent the wheel every year? It’s literally nonsensical.

I’m curious to know what subject the PP teaches. There should be a Pacing Guide with resources and not just a random list of SOLs.

DP: I teach HS math. Our pacing guide is a reorganized list of SOL standards and links to websites with descriptions.

“This is an activity geared towards elementary students, but teachers should feel free to extend portions to bring it to grade level rigor.” Or “this activity from Henrico county schools reinforces 7th grade skills necessary for accessing 10th grade curriculum” or “this desmos card sort allows for blended learning while giving the teacher time to focus on students who need extension or remediation”

There is no daily calendar (just “these 4 standards should take 7 blocks”), no set of class notes, slides, reviews. We have piece meal resources (website links and new this year a mandated 10 question MC assessment for each unit), but nothing cohesive.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think it's about policing homework. With the proliferation of "problem solving" websites, there really is very little benefit of assigning homework. I'm not sure it's about having to grade the assignment (you can use a Google form and it's relatively very low burden to teachers). I think in general teachers don't find it useful anymore because there's no way to suss out whether the student is using a tool to do the homework. If they are, what is actually the point of going through that effort? I used to be heavily pro-homework and was appalled with the FCPS policy but as I've experienced with my own two kids, homework assignments are a very intangible measure.

Yes, teacher here, teaching English, and it's pointless. I'm not going to sit around and grade chatGPT all day.

Then hold them accountable for the information in class. If they know it, they know it. If they don’t, then it will reflect. Pretty wild that teachers don’t know how to hold kids accountable for information they’ve told a kid to learn?

DP: we do know how! It’s by making all assignments and assessments *in class* so kids do it themselves vs sending home homework.

I haven’t stopped giving HW because I am tired, I’ve stopped giving hw because I literally see better results structuring my class so all practice is done in front of me.

So less teaching than before or less work. Got it.

That’s called class work. And a lot of time they have to wait on others and just sit around.

I guess that’s where we are these days. No books and no homework. 30 kids of five different levels and languages all vying for one teachers attention who is burdened with admin busy work and, lol, zero days.

Yikes.

I don’t know what kind of classroom you are sitting and observing, but I promise you there is no “waiting on others”. Why would there be? The only one they sometimes have to wait on is me if I’m engaged with another kid, but I’ve gotten really good over the years at spreading myself to get everyone and structuring seating to maximize needy kids in one zone so I can remediate them all at once.

Block schedule makes my math class run smoothly with plenty of in class practice. It’s not less work. My “homework” from 15+ years ago when we had 47 minute periods is just part of the “classwork” today in an 85 minute block. Same amount of work! Just finally done correctly and by the student.

But this year I’ll be making new homework in addition to it, apparently, because that’s the rule.

Unfortunately, we are covering less material nowadays since we have to provide class work time. This workshop approach where kids work on problems in class cuts into the time that we could provide more lessons. The subjects are all shaved down.

Going to have to disagree with you. I have more standards than ever before to cover in algebra 1, and I’ve been teaching the course nearly 20 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think it's about policing homework. With the proliferation of "problem solving" websites, there really is very little benefit of assigning homework. I'm not sure it's about having to grade the assignment (you can use a Google form and it's relatively very low burden to teachers). I think in general teachers don't find it useful anymore because there's no way to suss out whether the student is using a tool to do the homework. If they are, what is actually the point of going through that effort? I used to be heavily pro-homework and was appalled with the FCPS policy but as I've experienced with my own two kids, homework assignments are a very intangible measure.

Yes, teacher here, teaching English, and it's pointless. I'm not going to sit around and grade chatGPT all day.

Then hold them accountable for the information in class. If they know it, they know it. If they don’t, then it will reflect. Pretty wild that teachers don’t know how to hold kids accountable for information they’ve told a kid to learn?

DP: we do know how! It’s by making all assignments and assessments *in class* so kids do it themselves vs sending home homework.

I haven’t stopped giving HW because I am tired, I’ve stopped giving hw because I literally see better results structuring my class so all practice is done in front of me.

So less teaching than before or less work. Got it.

That’s called class work. And a lot of time they have to wait on others and just sit around.

I guess that’s where we are these days. No books and no homework. 30 kids of five different levels and languages all vying for one teachers attention who is burdened with admin busy work and, lol, zero days.

Yikes.

I don’t know what kind of classroom you are sitting and observing, but I promise you there is no “waiting on others”. Why would there be? The only one they sometimes have to wait on is me if I’m engaged with another kid, but I’ve gotten really good over the years at spreading myself to get everyone and structuring seating to maximize needy kids in one zone so I can remediate them all at once.

Block schedule makes my math class run smoothly with plenty of in class practice. It’s not less work. My “homework” from 15+ years ago when we had 47 minute periods is just part of the “classwork” today in an 85 minute block. Same amount of work! Just finally done correctly and by the student.

But this year I’ll be making new homework in addition to it, apparently, because that’s the rule.

Unfortunately, we are covering less material nowadays since we have to provide class work time. This workshop approach where kids work on problems in class cuts into the time that we could provide more lessons. The subjects are all shaved down.

Going to have to disagree with you. I have more standards than ever before to cover in algebra 1, and I’ve been teaching the course nearly 20 years.

+1, I teach math as well and there are not only more standards but quite a few are from previous upper grades pushed down.

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Anonymous wrote:I just started teaching in FCPS. We give minimal homework and only because they said we have to this year. I have 90 minutes of planning time twice a week to get ready for 6 hours of teaching a day, plus all the ridiculous nonsense admin insists we do that does nothing but add work. We haven't even started the year and I've barely slept all week, hardly had time to eat, and am already feeling like I'm going to either cry or throw up at the amount of work I am expected to do before Monday. I haven't seen my children or husband all week, and the year hasn't even started. It's going to be a million times worse next week.

So no, I'm not sending a bunch of work home so you can feel good about it and it can add to my already enormous grading workload. I'm at my limit. Your kid doesn't need homework. Studies show it doesn't even make any difference.

What grade do you teach?

High school. And yes, I also taught back before it was like this. Before we had millions of meetings about nothing and when we actually had textbooks and were given a curriculum. I have been given nothing, absolute zilch. I have no textbook, no curriculum other than a vague list of SOL's in random order, no materials whatsoever, and classes with students that range from not speaking a word of English or having a severe disability to getting ready to go to college (all in the same class). I have four classes and three different subjects and two different grade levels and three co-teachers I am expected to plan with every day (but we have no common planning time, which means after school and weekends). Two of my co-teachers have never taught before in their lives and I am expected to teach them everything as well. I'm still grateful to have them, but this is the fastest I've ever felt this exhausted and burnt out in all my 20 years of teaching. I've been working twelve-hour days all week and then going home and working more, and now admin wants me to write every day's learning target on the board and they are going to come into my classroom and quiz random students to make sure they can tell them the learning target and also explain why they need to learn it. I hope they don't ask one of the kids who doesn't speak English yet.

A lot of teachers just don't really care, and this is why. Because it's nearly impossible to do a good job in these circumstances unless you work around the clock, and then it's still impossible, and it's probably just easier to spend days posting learning targets and making sure kids are ready for random admin quizzes than it is to actually teach something.

I genuinely do not understand this. Why do we do this to teachers? It seems so absurd. How are they supposed to teach without a foundation to teach from? Why do we force thousands of them to re-invent the wheel every year? It’s literally nonsensical.

There is tons of material. Teachers dont want it. Don't ask me why. They also dont share materials. Its just a really weird profession that way. Must be over 300 Teachers per grade in the same subject per year just within FCPS. Boggles the mind.

It depends on what you consider "material." I don't need ten thousand random activities to do with students. I need a curriculum organized into cohesive units and mapped out across the year (or semester), along with appropriate materials to go with each one. What I have been given is a disorganized mess of materials and curriculum guides, none of which are in any way usable. The fact that there are a gazillion "resources" somewhere "out there" doesn't help at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I just started teaching in FCPS. We give minimal homework and only because they said we have to this year. I have 90 minutes of planning time twice a week to get ready for 6 hours of teaching a day, plus all the ridiculous nonsense admin insists we do that does nothing but add work. We haven't even started the year and I've barely slept all week, hardly had time to eat, and am already feeling like I'm going to either cry or throw up at the amount of work I am expected to do before Monday. I haven't seen my children or husband all week, and the year hasn't even started. It's going to be a million times worse next week.

So no, I'm not sending a bunch of work home so you can feel good about it and it can add to my already enormous grading workload. I'm at my limit. Your kid doesn't need homework. Studies show it doesn't even make any difference.

What grade do you teach?

High school. And yes, I also taught back before it was like this. Before we had millions of meetings about nothing and when we actually had textbooks and were given a curriculum. I have been given nothing, absolute zilch. I have no textbook, no curriculum other than a vague list of SOL's in random order, no materials whatsoever, and classes with students that range from not speaking a word of English or having a severe disability to getting ready to go to college (all in the same class). I have four classes and three different subjects and two different grade levels and three co-teachers I am expected to plan with every day (but we have no common planning time, which means after school and weekends). Two of my co-teachers have never taught before in their lives and I am expected to teach them everything as well. I'm still grateful to have them, but this is the fastest I've ever felt this exhausted and burnt out in all my 20 years of teaching. I've been working twelve-hour days all week and then going home and working more, and now admin wants me to write every day's learning target on the board and they are going to come into my classroom and quiz random students to make sure they can tell them the learning target and also explain why they need to learn it. I hope they don't ask one of the kids who doesn't speak English yet.

A lot of teachers just don't really care, and this is why. Because it's nearly impossible to do a good job in these circumstances unless you work around the clock, and then it's still impossible, and it's probably just easier to spend days posting learning targets and making sure kids are ready for random admin quizzes than it is to actually teach something.

I genuinely do not understand this. Why do we do this to teachers? It seems so absurd. How are they supposed to teach without a foundation to teach from? Why do we force thousands of them to re-invent the wheel every year? It’s literally nonsensical.

There is tons of material. Teachers dont want it. Don't ask me why. They also dont share materials. Its just a really weird profession that way. Must be over 300 Teachers per grade in the same subject per year just within FCPS. Boggles the mind.

It depends on what you consider "material." I don't need ten thousand random activities to do with students. I need a curriculum organized into cohesive units and mapped out across the year (or semester), along with appropriate materials to go with each one. What I have been given is a disorganized mess of materials and curriculum guides, none of which are in any way usable. The fact that there are a gazillion "resources" somewhere "out there" doesn't help at all.

ES is more set up this way. Much different.