Harvard President resigns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will also note that the right-wing spin on what would happen to Gay were she a student is likely a lie. I am close with an attorney who works for an Ivy as an investigator where there are student issues escalated to the deans for disciplinary action, and according to them the typical correction would be some kind of rebuke, a potential temp suspension, not expulsion. Another friend is a tenured professor at a different Ivy, and is also a WOC. She’s frustrated by the lack of discussion about how the burdens of mentorship and teaching are distributed to WOC, so that the “rockstars” who trend white and male are unimpeded with their own personal publications and research. There’s nuance in this, not that that could ever matter to the “2 down 1 to go” crowd.

Perhaps the academic world needs to review and change its policies that have become quite lenient over the years. It used to be that students expected expulsion for cheating and plagiarism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay is only the tip of the iceberg. The right is going to start going after professors and administrators with whom they disagree by using software to comb through their research looking for errors and plagiarism. Buckle up.

I totally agree that the right is going to use this incident to go after even more professors, especially ones of color. But they should remember that the anti-plagiarism software doesn't care about politics--it can also find plagiarism in the work of right-leaning academics.

Not a problem. Especially given that there's, what, 50 left wing academics for every 1 right wing academic.

Let's start with Liberty U., BYU, Bob Jones U., SMU, and keep going. I'm sure all the professors there were hired due to their sterling academic credentials solely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay is only the tip of the iceberg. The right is going to start going after professors and administrators with whom they disagree by using software to comb through their research looking for errors and plagiarism. Buckle up.

If only it wasn't so easy to expose the grifters and fakes.

Yes with Trump you need a hard hat to avoid being hit by all the low hanging fruits exploding with overwhelming evidence about his fake grifting …

Ma'am, this thread is about Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay is only the tip of the iceberg. The right is going to start going after professors and administrators with whom they disagree by using software to comb through their research looking for errors and plagiarism. Buckle up.

I totally agree that the right is going to use this incident to go after even more professors, especially ones of color. But they should remember that the anti-plagiarism software doesn't care about politics--it can also find plagiarism in the work of right-leaning academics.

Not a problem. Especially given that there's, what, 50 left wing academics for every 1 right wing academic.

Let's start with Liberty U., BYU, Bob Jones U., SMU, and keep going. I'm sure all the professors there were hired due to their sterling academic credentials solely.

In New England alone, surveys reveal for every 28 university professors who identify as liberal or progressive, there is just 1 who identifies as a republican.

Does anyone believe 28 to 1 is "balance?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

This is ridiculous! Yeah. She had to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay is only the tip of the iceberg. The right is going to start going after professors and administrators with whom they disagree by using software to comb through their research looking for errors and plagiarism. Buckle up.

I totally agree that the right is going to use this incident to go after even more professors, especially ones of color. But they should remember that the anti-plagiarism software doesn't care about politics--it can also find plagiarism in the work of right-leaning academics.

Not a problem. Especially given that there's, what, 50 left wing academics for every 1 right wing academic.

Let's start with Liberty U., BYU, Bob Jones U., SMU, and keep going. I'm sure all the professors there were hired due to their sterling academic credentials solely.

But Harvard isn't on the same level of those schools, or is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay is only the tip of the iceberg. The right is going to start going after professors and administrators with whom they disagree by using software to comb through their research looking for errors and plagiarism. Buckle up.

I totally agree that the right is going to use this incident to go after even more professors, especially ones of color. But they should remember that the anti-plagiarism software doesn't care about politics--it can also find plagiarism in the work of right-leaning academics.

Not a problem. Especially given that there's, what, 50 left wing academics for every 1 right wing academic.

Let's start with Liberty U., BYU, Bob Jones U., SMU, and keep going. I'm sure all the professors there were hired due to their sterling academic credentials solely.

In New England alone, surveys reveal for every 28 university professors who identify as liberal or progressive, there is just 1 who identifies as a republican.

Does anyone believe 28 to 1 is "balance?"

This should tell you that Republicans are stupid. Why would we want to promote stupidity? We would be shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

For gods sake. I was discussing the UCLA prof story in the links, which is why I quoted it. I didn’t write Gay’s name even.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Why are you so defensive of Claudine Gay?

Three things are indisputable:

1. She plagiarized, heavily.

2. Her academic output is mediocre to bad, especially considering she received tenure at Stanford and Harvard. Her academic output is *worse* than what you'd expect of a community college professor. Just articles, no published books, and a data set she won't release even when peer reviewers said the data couldn't be verified and asked to see it, 20 years ago. It's blatantly obvious that Gay *only* got tenure and rose through the ranks because she was a black woman. A white version would still be a visiting adjunct professor at a local regional state university. She grifted her way to the top, and one can still respect her for playing her cards brilliantly, but a grift is still a grift.

3. As dean at Harvard, she badly handled several high profile investigations into certain faculty. Google Roland Fryer (black male, btw) out of what seemed like no more than ideological spite and visceral hatred of someone whose research disputed her beliefs.

Tell us, please, why Gay is so important to you?

Read the goddamned post you’re quoting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Why are you so defensive of Claudine Gay?

Three things are indisputable:

1. She plagiarized, heavily.

2. Her academic output is mediocre to bad, especially considering she received tenure at Stanford and Harvard. Her academic output is *worse* than what you'd expect of a community college professor. Just articles, no published books, and a data set she won't release even when peer reviewers said the data couldn't be verified and asked to see it, 20 years ago. It's blatantly obvious that Gay *only* got tenure and rose through the ranks because she was a black woman. A white version would still be a visiting adjunct professor at a local regional state university. She grifted her way to the top, and one can still respect her for playing her cards brilliantly, but a grift is still a grift.

3. As dean at Harvard, she badly handled several high profile investigations into certain faculty. Google Roland Fryer (black male, btw) out of what seemed like no more than ideological spite and visceral hatred of someone whose research disputed her beliefs.

Tell us, please, why Gay is so important to you?

Read the goddamned post you’re quoting.

DP. Calm yourself. You wrote ambiguously and now you're attacking a poster?

This is a discussion. Post more clearly rather than attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay is only the tip of the iceberg. The right is going to start going after professors and administrators with whom they disagree by using software to comb through their research looking for errors and plagiarism. Buckle up.

I totally agree that the right is going to use this incident to go after even more professors, especially ones of color. But they should remember that the anti-plagiarism software doesn't care about politics--it can also find plagiarism in the work of right-leaning academics.

Not a problem. Especially given that there's, what, 50 left wing academics for every 1 right wing academic.

Let's start with Liberty U., BYU, Bob Jones U., SMU, and keep going. I'm sure all the professors there were hired due to their sterling academic credentials solely.

In New England alone, surveys reveal for every 28 university professors who identify as liberal or progressive, there is just 1 who identifies as a republican.

Does anyone believe 28 to 1 is "balance?"

Sounds like you believe in quotas based on political orientation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

For gods sake. I was discussing the UCLA prof story in the links, which is why I quoted it. I didn’t write Gay’s name even.

Sorry I misunderstood. My DC who's in a PhD program in a related field to the UCLA prof and knows some of her grad students alerted me to her story. DC has become very cynical about academia, and I spent a lot of time over winter break convincing her to not quit and throw away the last 3 1/2 years of her life.

To bring this back to politics - the constant attacks and discrediting of academia and experts is a key part of the far-rightwing, fascist agenda in this country, funded by American and foreign oligarchs. It is scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

For gods sake. I was discussing the UCLA prof story in the links, which is why I quoted it. I didn’t write Gay’s name even.

Sorry I misunderstood. My DC who's in a PhD program in a related field to the UCLA prof and knows some of her grad students alerted me to her story. DC has become very cynical about academia, and I spent a lot of time over winter break convincing her to not quit and throw away the last 3 1/2 years of her life.

To bring this back to politics - the constant attacks and discrediting of academia and experts is a key part of the far-rightwing, fascist agenda in this country, funded by American and foreign oligarchs. It is scary.

She's not the only one and it's not because of right-wing attacks or discrediting academia. It's because the system is broken (like so many other systems nowadays).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

For gods sake. I was discussing the UCLA prof story in the links, which is why I quoted it. I didn’t write Gay’s name even.

Sorry I misunderstood. My DC who's in a PhD program in a related field to the UCLA prof and knows some of her grad students alerted me to her story. DC has become very cynical about academia, and I spent a lot of time over winter break convincing her to not quit and throw away the last 3 1/2 years of her life.

To bring this back to politics - the constant attacks and discrediting of academia and experts is a key part of the far-rightwing, fascist agenda in this country, funded by American and foreign oligarchs. It is scary.

She's not the only one and it's not because of right-wing attacks or discrediting academia. It's because the system is broken (like so many other systems nowadays).

Because the right-wing is deliberately targeting our society's institutions by breaking them. And then they argue that we need a strongman to fix everything and save us.