Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm weirdly fascinated by how much the parents on this thread are about the idea that their kid's IEPs or whatever are on the internet. Is it great? No absolutely not. FCPS shouldn't have released that data and she shouldn't have posted it.

But please try to remember very few people care about your kid's learning issue. These are kids. Future employers aren't going care what Larlo was doing in 5th grade or what accommodations he needed to pass Calculus.

You are absurd. There are many kids in FCPS--usually the ones with serious issues served by MAS--who have incredibly sensitive information in FCPS files. Information no one would want public.

One of the released documents was a counselor's spreadsheet listing all the students on her caseload by hame who had suicidal thoughts, self-harm, and hospitalization. You don't get much more sensitive than that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at it this way. If someone breaks into Targets IT systems and steals the data, that’s a criminal act. If Target willingly hands it over, Target is the culpable party. If you sue Callie, she’ll file for bankruptcy, we get no benefit, and this stuff keeps happening. FCPS cares nothing about privacy of data. If they did, they would have spent the money on it last time this happened.

Nope. FCPS didn't "willingly" hand it over--it was accidental. And made more likely to happen by the endless badgering for information by Callie in an already stressed public school system. The real crime is that Callie "willingly" shared that information with others and published it online.
Unintentional leaks don't allow you to do whatever you want with the goods. We can sue Callie who intentionally acted wrongly with information AND we can lobby for better privacy protection. I think it's incredibly important to punish her and to deter people who think they can act with impunity with data that doesn't belong to them because they have some cause they are invested in.

I'm not a Callie fan but your posts are just wrong. It doesn't matter that FCPS gave the information accidentally. They are at fault. Willingly or accidentally doesn't matter. It may not also be true that you get to control what someone does with data given out accidentally. I have no problem if you sue her though, just don't be stupid about it thinking you know what is criminal behavior and what is not. You are clueless in that regard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at it this way. If someone breaks into Targets IT systems and steals the data, that’s a criminal act. If Target willingly hands it over, Target is the culpable party. If you sue Callie, she’ll file for bankruptcy, we get no benefit, and this stuff keeps happening. FCPS cares nothing about privacy of data. If they did, they would have spent the money on it last time this happened.

Nope. FCPS didn't "willingly" hand it over--it was accidental. And made more likely to happen by the endless badgering for information by Callie in an already stressed public school system. The real crime is that Callie "willingly" shared that information with others and published it online.
Unintentional leaks don't allow you to do whatever you want with the goods. We can sue Callie who intentionally acted wrongly with information AND we can lobby for better privacy protection. I think it's incredibly important to punish her and to deter people who think they can act with impunity with data that doesn't belong to them because they have some cause they are invested in.

It seems you don’t care that FCPS has no process to ensure this doesn’t happen. I don’t know Callie, but at least she scrubbed the data. What happens next time when a nefarious character doesn’t? Then what? What if it’s your kids’s personal non-scrubbed data out there that is used against them in the future. Then will you still feel like it’s not the school’s job? That they’re stressed and it’s a mistake? BS. FCPS has the responsibility to protect data, by state and federal laws. They have failed multiple times and do nothing to change it. And here you are making excuses they’re busy or stressed. What’s next? Blame the kids for having personal information?

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[Anonymous]

A lot of people are willing to overlook the harm of a data release because most people are honest and not exploitive. In this case FCPS deserves everything coming to them because they handed it over to a person looking to use the data to exploit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Callie has done nothing as an advocate. She's terrible and needs to be sued and held accountable. She's definitely mentally ill.

Posts like this are the reason I won't support you nut jobs. You all sound crazy. I'm finding it hard to find any facts in this garbage you all are writing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at it this way. If someone breaks into Targets IT systems and steals the data, that’s a criminal act. If Target willingly hands it over, Target is the culpable party. If you sue Callie, she’ll file for bankruptcy, we get no benefit, and this stuff keeps happening. FCPS cares nothing about privacy of data. If they did, they would have spent the money on it last time this happened.

Nope. FCPS didn't "willingly" hand it over--it was accidental. And made more likely to happen by the endless badgering for information by Callie in an already stressed public school system. The real crime is that Callie "willingly" shared that information with others and published it online.
Unintentional leaks don't allow you to do whatever you want with the goods. We can sue Callie who intentionally acted wrongly with information AND we can lobby for better privacy protection. I think it's incredibly important to punish her and to deter people who think they can act with impunity with data that doesn't belong to them because they have some cause they are invested in.

I'm not a Callie fan but your posts are just wrong. It doesn't matter that FCPS gave the information accidentally. They are at fault. Willingly or accidentally doesn't matter. It may not also be true that you get to control what someone does with data given out accidentally. I have no problem if you sue her though, just don't be stupid about it thinking you know what is criminal behavior and what is not. You are clueless in that regard.

There's more than one fault. FCPS releasing private information and Callie misusing it. You're clueless or just trying to dissuade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OH nice-Here are a few of Callie’s friends from SEPTA here to “advocate”

You have no respect because all you do is hate on educators, sue, file complaints, and steer qualified professionals from the county.

Clearly- plenty of people find this “advocating” vile. Thank you parents for speaking up against Callie!

I'm the parent from another county trying to follow what is going on here. Any person who attacks advocates who help families with children with disabilities is surely a school lackey and a lout. My kid, and many others, would have gotten no help at all if it weren't for advocates I had to hire. I thank heavens that I was able to afford it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at it this way. If someone breaks into Targets IT systems and steals the data, that’s a criminal act. If Target willingly hands it over, Target is the culpable party. If you sue Callie, she’ll file for bankruptcy, we get no benefit, and this stuff keeps happening. FCPS cares nothing about privacy of data. If they did, they would have spent the money on it last time this happened.

Nope. FCPS didn't "willingly" hand it over--it was accidental. And made more likely to happen by the endless badgering for information by Callie in an already stressed public school system. The real crime is that Callie "willingly" shared that information with others and published it online.
Unintentional leaks don't allow you to do whatever you want with the goods. We can sue Callie who intentionally acted wrongly with information AND we can lobby for better privacy protection. I think it's incredibly important to punish her and to deter people who think they can act with impunity with data that doesn't belong to them because they have some cause they are invested in.

It seems you don’t care that FCPS has no process to ensure this doesn’t happen. I don’t know Callie, but at least she scrubbed the data. What happens next time when a nefarious character doesn’t? Then what? What if it’s your kids’s personal non-scrubbed data out there that is used against them in the future. Then will you still feel like it’s not the school’s job? That they’re stressed and it’s a mistake? BS. FCPS has the responsibility to protect data, by state and federal laws. They have failed multiple times and do nothing to change it. And here you are making excuses they’re busy or stressed. What’s next? Blame the kids for having personal information?

Listen, do you have any experience in the FOIA (or equivalent) world? Because I do and agencies get way too many requests for the staff they have. ANd some of the requests are ridiculously overbroad and require many, many, MANY hours of searching, culling, and redactions to comply with legal requirements in a very short period of time. If those time limits aren't met, requesters have further appeal and court rights. It's extremely tedious and time-consuming. The respondents, you'll be surprised to know, take their jobs very seriously and do their best to comply. But mistakes happen (in FOIA and other legal contexts, as well). They do.

Callie knows that if she is such a prolific requester. She absolutely knows that. So she should have IMMEDIATELY informed FCPS and returned what she shouldn't have received. And it's absolutely disgusting and immoral that she didn't.

Omg. How do you "return" an online document?

[Anonymous]

Could someone please just show us where to see the documents? I don't care who effed up, I just want to know what info about my kid is out there.

[Anonymous]

There is a theory circulating in another forum that a whistleblower at gatehouse purposely gave Callie the info because the whistleblower knew she would expose it. The whistleblower had tried to correct previous data breaches with no luck. This data breach is not unique but the only one parents have been notified about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at it this way. If someone breaks into Targets IT systems and steals the data, that’s a criminal act. If Target willingly hands it over, Target is the culpable party. If you sue Callie, she’ll file for bankruptcy, we get no benefit, and this stuff keeps happening. FCPS cares nothing about privacy of data. If they did, they would have spent the money on it last time this happened.

Nope. FCPS didn't "willingly" hand it over--it was accidental. And made more likely to happen by the endless badgering for information by Callie in an already stressed public school system. The real crime is that Callie "willingly" shared that information with others and published it online.
Unintentional leaks don't allow you to do whatever you want with the goods. We can sue Callie who intentionally acted wrongly with information AND we can lobby for better privacy protection. I think it's incredibly important to punish her and to deter people who think they can act with impunity with data that doesn't belong to them because they have some cause they are invested in.

It seems you don’t care that FCPS has no process to ensure this doesn’t happen. I don’t know Callie, but at least she scrubbed the data. What happens next time when a nefarious character doesn’t?

Again, misdirection by Callie - this actually implies Callie isn't acting nefariously.

She did not scrub the data. RIGHT NOW I can see info on a kid that went to our small elem. We are in Burke, all the elem are pretty small. So easy to identify. I'm trying to find my kid now, since I have the letter.

for someone who "cares about kids", this is ridiculous. FU Callie.

Trying to figure out what page of her website I’m missing. When you say you’re trying to find your kid now, it makes it sound like there is a page with many kids’ private situations. Where is that?

They are lying. Now hiding behind I’m not sharing.

This is the huge piece of misinformation in this situation right now. People think that she put thousands of students’ information online, when in fact it is not there.

Exactly. I scoured her website. It’s not there. Despite some liar saying it’s there, I promise, but I won’t tell you where because you know…the thing.

The letter from Gatehouse definitely implied that woman publicly posted all that information online.

I would not be surprised if there are multiple fcps representatives on this and other websites actively posting to attempt to deflect blame from FCPS.

I assume the same. No matter what op will claim we are either Callie or one of her friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Criminals would probably love to get their hands on this data. I get that the school shouldn’t have released it to Callie, but at this point I’m more worried about it in Callie’s hands. She has literally told the world she is in possession of a treasure trove of personal information.

Agreed. She has PII/learning issues with my kids name on it. To say that I'm angry would be plumbing the depths of understatement. It's as if she had an illegally obtained nude photo of a female relative published on her website but just cropped off the face. Callie, I hope you're reading this.

Your analogy is ridiculous. She did not obtain the information illegally. FCPS is at fault and their response to it was beyond terrible. It was managed by people who seemed to not understand the internet at all. It was entirely FCPS's fault.

She kept the information illegally.
She shared the information illegally with others.

You can't "keep information illegally". Please explain this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at it this way. If someone breaks into Targets IT systems and steals the data, that’s a criminal act. If Target willingly hands it over, Target is the culpable party. If you sue Callie, she’ll file for bankruptcy, we get no benefit, and this stuff keeps happening. FCPS cares nothing about privacy of data. If they did, they would have spent the money on it last time this happened.

Nope. FCPS didn't "willingly" hand it over--it was accidental. And made more likely to happen by the endless badgering for information by Callie in an already stressed public school system. The real crime is that Callie "willingly" shared that information with others and published it online.
Unintentional leaks don't allow you to do whatever you want with the goods. We can sue Callie who intentionally acted wrongly with information AND we can lobby for better privacy protection. I think it's incredibly important to punish her and to deter people who think they can act with impunity with data that doesn't belong to them because they have some cause they are invested in.

It seems you don’t care that FCPS has no process to ensure this doesn’t happen. I don’t know Callie, but at least she scrubbed the data. What happens next time when a nefarious character doesn’t? Then what? What if it’s your kids’s personal non-scrubbed data out there that is used against them in the future. Then will you still feel like it’s not the school’s job? That they’re stressed and it’s a mistake? BS. FCPS has the responsibility to protect data, by state and federal laws. They have failed multiple times and do nothing to change it. And here you are making excuses they’re busy or stressed. What’s next? Blame the kids for having personal information?

Listen, do you have any experience in the FOIA (or equivalent) world? Because I do and agencies get way too many requests for the staff they have. ANd some of the requests are ridiculously overbroad and require many, many, MANY hours of searching, culling, and redactions to comply with legal requirements in a very short period of time. If those time limits aren't met, requesters have further appeal and court rights. It's extremely tedious and time-consuming. The respondents, you'll be surprised to know, take their jobs very seriously and do their best to comply. But mistakes happen (in FOIA and other legal contexts, as well). They do.

Callie knows that if she is such a prolific requester. She absolutely knows that. So she should have IMMEDIATELY informed FCPS and returned what she shouldn't have received. And it's absolutely disgusting and immoral that she didn't.

Omg. How do you "return" an online document?

Hmmm. You let people know that you received it by accident and you ask what you should do with it. Not share it with others and post "de-identified" information on line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could someone please post a link to the data she published?

It's gone and buried.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Criminals would probably love to get their hands on this data. I get that the school shouldn’t have released it to Callie, but at this point I’m more worried about it in Callie’s hands. She has literally told the world she is in possession of a treasure trove of personal information.

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