NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump

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Anonymous wrote:I think that pp was referring to when Biden said that Trump wanted to put black people back in chains. Trump never said that, though, because that's both unthinkable and degrading. It's like, "hey those guys think you're a slave. You know, someone to be in chains! A person that isn't a full citizen! I don't care what they say about you, though. I think you're equal, like me." Very believable.

No, that PP was referring (incessantly) to Project 2025. They insist that Trump has announced he will be "putting black people in camps," which is about as ludicrous as anything I've heard yet from the left. And notably, they refuse to back up their idiocy with actual quotes and links.

That's kind of hilarious. Making claims you know what's in a secret document but can't prove it because it's secret. Nothing at all like tinfoil conspiracy theorists, haha! That's only for right wingers!

It’s not a “secret document.” There’s a website and everything. https://www.project2025.org/

Okay, find the part where they say they are going to round up black people and put them in camps, and post it here. If true, this is indeed a horrifically sinister plot, so please do prove your case.

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It's funny how they make these outrageous claims, ASSuming no one will call them on it, and then retreat when that backfires. So typical of the left.

I'm poking around the website, trying to figure out which agencies would handle transporting 42 million Americans to camps. I mean, surely you'd need amtrak, and they aren't even in the book. Bureau of Land Management? I don't know, it would be an extraordinary feat, and would upend American life and tank the economy.

Oh, I see it now. It's under one of the Project 2025 Pillars on the home page:
"Rounding up Black Americans and Putting them in Camps"

Hmm, you're going to have to show us. To me, Project 2025 just appears to be a Heritage Foundation project to assemble marching orders for the appointees for various agencies. Like, pretty standard presidential transition stuff. No camps, no mention of an effort to zap 12% of people out of their normal lives.

Can you imagine? This would cripple the south. Southern cities would be ghost towns. The busiest airport in the world, ATL, would have to cease operations. It's a really fascinating conspiracy theory.

PP here. I was joking. There is absolutely nothing about “putting black people in camps” and the PP who made the claim is a complete liar. I completely agree with your assessment of Project 2025 and actually, I want to thank the person who keeps warning us in dire tones about it. I read the entire thing and thought it was excellent.

Wow.
Excellent?
To be clear: You support ICE raids all around the country to round up undocumented immigrants, fly them to Texas, and place these millions of undocumented immigrants into camps in rural parts of Texas?
You support ending DACA, meaning that undocumented immigrants who were brought to the US when they were children must be deported to countries where they don't speak the language, know no one and have never lived?
You support ending asylum for people who have been threatened, tortured and jailed by the government of their home country, meaning the US will simply fly these people home to be killed by their government?
And BTW, when these millions of undocumented immigrants are waiting in camps in Texas to be deported, who is going to take care of your kids? mow your grass? repair and clean your house? cook your food? take care of your elderly parents?
Who will replace all these workers, and who will pay their wages? Americans don't want these jobs and won't take them, but immigrants do and will.
Many undocumented immigrants have the legal right to work in the US while their asylum or visa applications are pending. To be clear: You want the US government to revoke the work permits of all these people (millions of people legally living and working in the US), place them in camps (at taxpayer expense), and then fly them (at taxpayer expense) back to their home country?
I'm sorry you think this way.

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OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

but the urban crime is part of an ideology, which includes the BLM messaging and riots in 2020, Soros funded prosecutors who do not prosecute urban crime, and so forth. Biden supports that ideology and Trump opposes it. so obviously that is a choice for voters to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

The polls say what they say.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

The polls say what they say.

One poll. One poll says what they think it says, and that makes a lot of assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that pp was referring to when Biden said that Trump wanted to put black people back in chains. Trump never said that, though, because that's both unthinkable and degrading. It's like, "hey those guys think you're a slave. You know, someone to be in chains! A person that isn't a full citizen! I don't care what they say about you, though. I think you're equal, like me." Very believable.

No, that PP was referring (incessantly) to Project 2025. They insist that Trump has announced he will be "putting black people in camps," which is about as ludicrous as anything I've heard yet from the left. And notably, they refuse to back up their idiocy with actual quotes and links.

That's kind of hilarious. Making claims you know what's in a secret document but can't prove it because it's secret. Nothing at all like tinfoil conspiracy theorists, haha! That's only for right wingers!

It’s not a “secret document.” There’s a website and everything. https://www.project2025.org/

Okay, find the part where they say they are going to round up black people and put them in camps, and post it here. If true, this is indeed a horrifically sinister plot, so please do prove your case.

+1
It's funny how they make these outrageous claims, ASSuming no one will call them on it, and then retreat when that backfires. So typical of the left.

I'm poking around the website, trying to figure out which agencies would handle transporting 42 million Americans to camps. I mean, surely you'd need amtrak, and they aren't even in the book. Bureau of Land Management? I don't know, it would be an extraordinary feat, and would upend American life and tank the economy.

Oh, I see it now. It's under one of the Project 2025 Pillars on the home page:
"Rounding up Black Americans and Putting them in Camps"

Hmm, you're going to have to show us. To me, Project 2025 just appears to be a Heritage Foundation project to assemble marching orders for the appointees for various agencies. Like, pretty standard presidential transition stuff. No camps, no mention of an effort to zap 12% of people out of their normal lives.

Can you imagine? This would cripple the south. Southern cities would be ghost towns. The busiest airport in the world, ATL, would have to cease operations. It's a really fascinating conspiracy theory.

PP here. I was joking. There is absolutely nothing about “putting black people in camps” and the PP who made the claim is a complete liar. I completely agree with your assessment of Project 2025 and actually, I want to thank the person who keeps warning us in dire tones about it. I read the entire thing and thought it was excellent.

Wow.
Excellent?
To be clear: You support ICE raids all around the country to round up undocumented immigrants, fly them to Texas, and place these millions of undocumented immigrants into camps in rural parts of Texas?
You support ending DACA, meaning that undocumented immigrants who were brought to the US when they were children must be deported to countries where they don't speak the language, know no one and have never lived?
You support ending asylum for people who have been threatened, tortured and jailed by the government of their home country, meaning the US will simply fly these people home to be killed by their government?
And BTW, when these millions of undocumented immigrants are waiting in camps in Texas to be deported, who is going to take care of your kids? mow your grass? repair and clean your house? cook your food? take care of your elderly parents?
Who will replace all these workers, and who will pay their wages? Americans don't want these jobs and won't take them, but immigrants do and will.
Many undocumented immigrants have the legal right to work in the US while their asylum or visa applications are pending. To be clear: You want the US government to revoke the work permits of all these people (millions of people legally living and working in the US), place them in camps (at taxpayer expense), and then fly them (at taxpayer expense) back to their home country?
I'm sorry you think this way.

Let me get this straight. You believe they are going to send to camps:
-42M black people
-17M illegal immigrants
-an unspecified number of work permit holders

This is not logistically feasible, even if these agencies worked at unprecedented velocity. So I want to put your mind at ease. Even if the Heritage Foundation were to go temporarily bonkers and propose this, it's simply not possible. This would be an operation 6-10x that of the Nazi concentration camps, which were the largest in recorded history. Our country is much larger, much more diverse, and very low numbers of people would support this. So. Even if you are having hallucinations and believe you read this, it will not happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

The problem is too much crime is NOT being prosecuted locally. I am not a Chris Christie fan, but I agree with his approach to crime.
Send in US Federal prosecutors to those cities in which the local prosecutors fail to prosecute crime. In many cases, they have announced they will not prosecute certain crimes. Time to take over their jobs.

[Anonymous]

I am all for rounding up the millions of migrants who have entered our country illegally, made bogus asylum claims, and then never show up for their hearings or if they do, don't leave when their claims are found to have no merit.
Find these people, and take them back to their home countries. They have no right to be in the US.

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NEW: Black Lives Matter Rhode Island co-founder Mark Fisher is supporting Donald Trump for the 2024 election because Democrats are “not for us.”

Didn't see that one coming 🔥🔥

“We’re not stupid. The brothers are not stupid. We understand when someone's for us and when someone is not and it's obvious that the Democratic party is not for us.”

“A lot of people are misinformed. They don't really understand because they don't educate themselves on Donald Trump as a person and his history.”

“Personally I love the man. I mean, how could you not like a real man? How could you not relate to someone like that?”

I'm sure he was compensated very well for that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am all for rounding up the millions of migrants who have entered our country illegally, made bogus asylum claims, and then never show up for their hearings or if they do, don't leave when their claims are found to have no merit.
Find these people, and take them back to their home countries. They have no right to be in the US.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

but the urban crime is part of an ideology, which includes the BLM messaging and riots in 2020, Soros funded prosecutors who do not prosecute urban crime, and so forth. Biden supports that ideology and Trump opposes it. so obviously that is a choice for voters to make.

Biden does not support that ideology.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am all for rounding up the millions of migrants who have entered our country illegally, made bogus asylum claims, and then never show up for their hearings or if they do, don't leave when their claims are found to have no merit.
Find these people, and take them back to their home countries. They have no right to be in the US.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Why do the people who entered illegally have more right to stay here than the people who are applying to enter legally?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

but the urban crime is part of an ideology, which includes the BLM messaging and riots in 2020, Soros funded prosecutors who do not prosecute urban crime, and so forth. Biden supports that ideology and Trump opposes it. so obviously that is a choice for voters to make.

Biden does not support that ideology.

He sure as hell has not spoken out against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am all for rounding up the millions of migrants who have entered our country illegally, made bogus asylum claims, and then never show up for their hearings or if they do, don't leave when their claims are found to have no merit.
Find these people, and take them back to their home countries. They have no right to be in the US.

Yeah, but no camps. I can get on board with all that, just not the camps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am all for rounding up the millions of migrants who have entered our country illegally, made bogus asylum claims, and then never show up for their hearings or if they do, don't leave when their claims are found to have no merit.
Find these people, and take them back to their home countries. They have no right to be in the US.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Lolz