Bikes lanes poorly designed - unsafe for drivers and bikers

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Anonymous wrote:I would love for just one cyclist to stop at red lights when pedestrians are in a crosswalk that crosses a bike lane. The cars on the other side of the flex posts seem to be able to stop at this light almost all the time. I've seen just one car driver run the light in 20 years when I've been crossing. The cyclists act like the light and the pedestrians don't even exist. The intersection was safer for pedestrians before they put the bike lanes in 10 or so years ago.

lol. is there an epidemic of pedestrians being killed by bikes?

It’s not OK to hit people with your bike even if you don’t kill them, FYI.

Nobody has said otherwise.

Similarly, it's not ok to hit people with your car even if you don't kill them, FYI.

I don’t drive. I walk. Trust me the greatest menace on my commute is cyclists.

NP but you’re either an idiot or a liar.

OP but my commute is on a mixed use trail and across a street with a protected bike lane.

Have you been hit? Or is this a case of facts getting in the way of feelings?

We should wait for someone to get hit before addressing dangerous people?

So, a cyclist has not been responsible for hitting you? Just making sure that's the case.

I've been clipped a couple times. The last time ripped my bag. Nothing serious so far. The near misses are also pretty unpleasant as I get screamed at for walking too slowly or daring to use the crosswalk when I have a walk sign.

Well then you should be super supportive of protected bike lanes so you don't have to share space with them

I'm pretty sure the cyclists won't get off the shared use path because it's a nice path.

The other problem is where the bike lanes and crosswalks intersect. The bike lanes seem to create a feeling of invincibility so the cyclists don't pay attention to other people. I get that you're working hard and the adrenaline is flowing but if you can't act like a normal person while you're riding then you're the problem.

How about where roads and crosswalks interact? The roads seem to create a feeling of invincibility so the drivers don't pay attention to other people.

I’m a pedestrian. Why do you keep deflecting to cars to exude your own bad behavior?

You are living in a dream state. Time to wake up, Jacob.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love for just one cyclist to stop at red lights when pedestrians are in a crosswalk that crosses a bike lane. The cars on the other side of the flex posts seem to be able to stop at this light almost all the time. I've seen just one car driver run the light in 20 years when I've been crossing. The cyclists act like the light and the pedestrians don't even exist. The intersection was safer for pedestrians before they put the bike lanes in 10 or so years ago.

lol. is there an epidemic of pedestrians being killed by bikes?

It’s not OK to hit people with your bike even if you don’t kill them, FYI.

Nobody has said otherwise.

Similarly, it's not ok to hit people with your car even if you don't kill them, FYI.

I don’t drive. I walk. Trust me the greatest menace on my commute is cyclists.

NP but you’re either an idiot or a liar.

OP but my commute is on a mixed use trail and across a street with a protected bike lane.

Have you been hit? Or is this a case of facts getting in the way of feelings?

We should wait for someone to get hit before addressing dangerous people?

So, a cyclist has not been responsible for hitting you? Just making sure that's the case.

I've been clipped a couple times. The last time ripped my bag. Nothing serious so far. The near misses are also pretty unpleasant as I get screamed at for walking too slowly or daring to use the crosswalk when I have a walk sign.

Well then you should be super supportive of protected bike lanes so you don't have to share space with them

I'm pretty sure the cyclists won't get off the shared use path because it's a nice path.

The other problem is where the bike lanes and crosswalks intersect. The bike lanes seem to create a feeling of invincibility so the cyclists don't pay attention to other people. I get that you're working hard and the adrenaline is flowing but if you can't act like a normal person while you're riding then you're the problem.

How about where roads and crosswalks interact? The roads seem to create a feeling of invincibility so the drivers don't pay attention to other people.

I’m a pedestrian. Why do you keep deflecting to cars to exude your own bad behavior?

Whose bad behavior are you talking about?

Why do you believe that you are more in danger from people on bicycles than from people in cars? If you had to be hit by somebody, would you rather be hit by someone on a bicycle or by someone in a car? Would you rather share the shared-use path with people on bicycles or with people in cars?

Simple. The cars reliably stop at the intersections I cross and the cyclists come through even if the light has been red for 10 seconds (never seen a car come through that late on my commute). I’ll oppose bike lanes until cyclists reliably stop for pedestrians in crosswalks.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love for just one cyclist to stop at red lights when pedestrians are in a crosswalk that crosses a bike lane. The cars on the other side of the flex posts seem to be able to stop at this light almost all the time. I've seen just one car driver run the light in 20 years when I've been crossing. The cyclists act like the light and the pedestrians don't even exist. The intersection was safer for pedestrians before they put the bike lanes in 10 or so years ago.

lol. is there an epidemic of pedestrians being killed by bikes?

It’s not OK to hit people with your bike even if you don’t kill them, FYI.

Nobody has said otherwise.

Similarly, it's not ok to hit people with your car even if you don't kill them, FYI.

I don’t drive. I walk. Trust me the greatest menace on my commute is cyclists.

NP but you’re either an idiot or a liar.

OP but my commute is on a mixed use trail and across a street with a protected bike lane.

Have you been hit? Or is this a case of facts getting in the way of feelings?

We should wait for someone to get hit before addressing dangerous people?

So, a cyclist has not been responsible for hitting you? Just making sure that's the case.

I've been clipped a couple times. The last time ripped my bag. Nothing serious so far. The near misses are also pretty unpleasant as I get screamed at for walking too slowly or daring to use the crosswalk when I have a walk sign.

Well then you should be super supportive of protected bike lanes so you don't have to share space with them

I'm pretty sure the cyclists won't get off the shared use path because it's a nice path.

The other problem is where the bike lanes and crosswalks intersect. The bike lanes seem to create a feeling of invincibility so the cyclists don't pay attention to other people. I get that you're working hard and the adrenaline is flowing but if you can't act like a normal person while you're riding then you're the problem.

How about where roads and crosswalks interact? The roads seem to create a feeling of invincibility so the drivers don't pay attention to other people.

I’m a pedestrian. Why do you keep deflecting to cars to exude your own bad behavior?

Whose bad behavior are you talking about?

Why do you believe that you are more in danger from people on bicycles than from people in cars? If you had to be hit by somebody, would you rather be hit by someone on a bicycle or by someone in a car? Would you rather share the shared-use path with people on bicycles or with people in cars?

Simple. The cars reliably stop at the intersections I cross and the cyclists come through even if the light has been red for 10 seconds (never seen a car come through that late on my commute). I’ll oppose bike lanes until cyclists reliably stop for pedestrians in crosswalks.

Which wonderland do you live in? Please provide specifics about these intersections that you cross.

Also, are you saying that you prefer to have these "scofflaw cyclists" on the path with you, instead of in separate bike lanes? That doesn't make sense. Given the choice between interacting with dangerous bicyclists the whole way, or only interacting with dangerous bicyclists at intersections, you choose ... interacting with dangerous bicyclists the whole way?

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C’mon guys. The anti-cyclist “pedestrian” is clearly a troll. Or maybe just forced to walk after losing their license or something, but either way, they are not worth your time.

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As a pedestrian resident of DC for 29 years the fact that many drivers are a menace doesn't negate bad bike behavior - that is flawed logic. Every time pedestrians try to raise a third perspective bikes shout them down as a car plant or a troll. Maybe you should show pedestrians the same courtesy you want cars to show you. Pedestrians are even more eco friendly than bikes so by bike logic on a morally higher plane

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Anonymous wrote:As a pedestrian resident of DC for 29 years the fact that many drivers are a menace doesn't negate bad bike behavior - that is flawed logic. Every time pedestrians try to raise a third perspective bikes shout them down as a car plant or a troll. Maybe you should show pedestrians the same courtesy you want cars to show you. Pedestrians are even more eco friendly than bikes so by bike logic on a morally higher plane

Whom are you talking to? When I'm bicycling, I stop for pedestrians. Are there some people who are jerks? Yes, they are jerks regardless of mode. They are jerks while walking, they are jerks while bicycling, and they are jerks while driving.

Also, when I'm walking, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. when I'm bicycling, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. When I'm driving, I know that by far the biggest danger is from (other) drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:As a pedestrian resident of DC for 29 years the fact that many drivers are a menace doesn't negate bad bike behavior - that is flawed logic. Every time pedestrians try to raise a third perspective bikes shout them down as a car plant or a troll. Maybe you should show pedestrians the same courtesy you want cars to show you. Pedestrians are even more eco friendly than bikes so by bike logic on a morally higher plane

Whom are you talking to? When I'm bicycling, I stop for pedestrians. Are there some people who are jerks? Yes, they are jerks regardless of mode. They are jerks while walking, they are jerks while bicycling, and they are jerks while driving.

Also, when I'm walking, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. when I'm bicycling, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. When I'm driving, I know that by far the biggest danger is from (other) drivers.

I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand about this, cyclists. Well clearly the fact that at least one cyclists is a big jerk who says "GET OUT OF MY WAY OLD LADY" is enough to forestall providing an public space use and safe infrastructure for all cyclists. Please continue to ignore the cognitive dissonance that many drivers are terrible human beings when they get behind the wheel and that about 80% of public space right of way is dedicated to supporting their mode of transportation.

-pedestrian who doomscrolls DCUM while walking city streets including crosswalks

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Anonymous wrote:As a pedestrian resident of DC for 29 years the fact that many drivers are a menace doesn't negate bad bike behavior - that is flawed logic. Every time pedestrians try to raise a third perspective bikes shout them down as a car plant or a troll. Maybe you should show pedestrians the same courtesy you want cars to show you. Pedestrians are even more eco friendly than bikes so by bike logic on a morally higher plane

Whom are you talking to? When I'm bicycling, I stop for pedestrians. Are there some people who are jerks? Yes, they are jerks regardless of mode. They are jerks while walking, they are jerks while bicycling, and they are jerks while driving.

Also, when I'm walking, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. when I'm bicycling, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. When I'm driving, I know that by far the biggest danger is from (other) drivers.

I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand about this, cyclists. Well clearly the fact that at least one cyclists is a big jerk who says "GET OUT OF MY WAY OLD LADY" is enough to forestall providing an public space use and safe infrastructure for all cyclists. Please continue to ignore the cognitive dissonance that many drivers are terrible human beings when they get behind the wheel and that about 80% of public space right of way is dedicated to supporting their mode of transportation.

-pedestrian who doomscrolls DCUM while walking city streets including crosswalks

Maybe don't look down at your phone so much and you won't be in peoples way? I had trouble understanding the rest of what you wrote.

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To the extent possible, people from Glover Park and Burleith should be prohibited from using the new New Mexico bike lanes. They bring an unwanted element to Wesley Heights. They should be restricted to use by kids from AU and the people in the neighborhood only. They are also very poorly designed.

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Anonymous wrote:To the extent possible, people from Glover Park and Burleith should be prohibited from using the new New Mexico bike lanes. They bring an unwanted element to Wesley Heights. They should be restricted to use by kids from AU and the people in the neighborhood only. They are also very poorly designed.

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I bike in the city, and I support the city's efforts to build more bike lanes.

I have also lived here long enough to believe that the city might have designed a bike lane that is less than perfect.

I have not seen these particular lanes, but if there is a way the design can be improved to make it safer, I would suggest you contact DDOT.

If you just don't want bike lanes and believe that roads are made for cars and trash cans, then I don't think you are on the right side of history.

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Anonymous wrote:As a pedestrian resident of DC for 29 years the fact that many drivers are a menace doesn't negate bad bike behavior - that is flawed logic. Every time pedestrians try to raise a third perspective bikes shout them down as a car plant or a troll. Maybe you should show pedestrians the same courtesy you want cars to show you. Pedestrians are even more eco friendly than bikes so by bike logic on a morally higher plane

Whom are you talking to? When I'm bicycling, I stop for pedestrians. Are there some people who are jerks? Yes, they are jerks regardless of mode. They are jerks while walking, they are jerks while bicycling, and they are jerks while driving.

Also, when I'm walking, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. when I'm bicycling, I know that by far the biggest danger is from drivers. When I'm driving, I know that by far the biggest danger is from (other) drivers.

I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand about this, cyclists. Well clearly the fact that at least one cyclists is a big jerk who says "GET OUT OF MY WAY OLD LADY" is enough to forestall providing an public space use and safe infrastructure for all cyclists. Please continue to ignore the cognitive dissonance that many drivers are terrible human beings when they get behind the wheel and that about 80% of public space right of way is dedicated to supporting their mode of transportation.

-pedestrian who doomscrolls DCUM while walking city streets including crosswalks

Maybe don't look down at your phone so much and you won't be in peoples way? I had trouble understanding the rest of what you wrote.

Sigh. Take a joke. The sign off wasn't explicit enough? There are drivers, there are cyclists, and there are pedestrians who all mess up and are self absorbed. The main difference is that the drivers are the ones that can kill/maim people with ease.

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Anonymous wrote:I bike in the city, and I support the city's efforts to build more bike lanes.

I have also lived here long enough to believe that the city might have designed a bike lane that is less than perfect.

I have not seen these particular lanes, but if there is a way the design can be improved to make it safer, I would suggest you contact DDOT.

If you just don't want bike lanes and believe that roads are made for cars and trash cans, then I don't think you are on the right side of history.

We’ve had bike lanes for 15 years. The government has spent billions of dollars building up the biking infrastructure. Still, it remains the most unpopular method of transportation in the city and countless miles of bike lanes are rarely if ever used. History will show this was a giant, very expensive, failed experiment…

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Anonymous wrote:I bike in the city, and I support the city's efforts to build more bike lanes.

I have also lived here long enough to believe that the city might have designed a bike lane that is less than perfect.

I have not seen these particular lanes, but if there is a way the design can be improved to make it safer, I would suggest you contact DDOT.

If you just don't want bike lanes and believe that roads are made for cars and trash cans, then I don't think you are on the right side of history.

We’ve had bike lanes for 15 years. The government has spent billions of dollars building up the biking infrastructure. Still, it remains the most unpopular method of transportation in the city and countless miles of bike lanes are rarely if ever used. History will show this was a giant, very expensive, failed experiment…

Please stop driving, you can't see.

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Anonymous wrote:I bike in the city, and I support the city's efforts to build more bike lanes.

I have also lived here long enough to believe that the city might have designed a bike lane that is less than perfect.

I have not seen these particular lanes, but if there is a way the design can be improved to make it safer, I would suggest you contact DDOT.

If you just don't want bike lanes and believe that roads are made for cars and trash cans, then I don't think you are on the right side of history.

We’ve had bike lanes for 15 years. The government has spent billions of dollars building up the biking infrastructure. Still, it remains the most unpopular method of transportation in the city and countless miles of bike lanes are rarely if ever used. History will show this was a giant, very expensive, failed experiment…

How in the world do you pack so much bullshit into a single paragraph?