Anonymous wrote:I really appreciated the guy going 20mph on his e-bike in the bike lanes ringing his bell as he ran the red light so the pedestrians had a chance to scatter before he went through the crosswalk. All the cars at the intersection were stopped, by the way.
Wow. I also saw many cars speeding and couple running red lights yesterday. Shall we all chip in with our observations of bad behavior by road users in Washington, DC. What great fun that would be.
How many of those cars honked their horns to make pedestrians scatter out of the crosswalk while they ran the red light? I’m not talking about technical violations that may have resulted from inattention, which, while extremely dangerous, is not the same as wanton and willful lawbreaking. The problem with too many cyclists is that they expect everyone to adjust to their presence regardless of what the law is. That tendency is worse when they’re in protected bike lanes because they don’t have to worry about cars.
If I’m walking in a crosswalk, having already established a lawful presence there, stop for me. It’s the law and it’s also common courtesy.
Yes, it is. It's the law. Which is routinely broken by drivers of cars, with or without bike lanes, and when drivers do it, they can seriously injure or kill you. But sure, let's focus on bike lanes.
The more people bike instead of drive, the safer you as a pedestrian will be.
You never acknowledge that you have any responsibility for the safety of others as a cyclist, so your argument that I'll be safer with more bike lanes falls flat. That's the problem. Too many cyclists fail to take responsibility for anyone else's safety, even that of other cyclists. I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least.
A regular bike at 20 mph on a bike lane in your mysterious unnamed intersection in DC? Where is that mysterious unnamed intersection, by the way?
It’s on a downhill. It’s an easy 20. You still keep deflecting instead of acknowledging how your own conduct can put other people at risk.
I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk
Faster than 25 mph, on a bike, on the sidewalk of a street in DC. You don't say.
People do some crazy shit
People also have no sense of speed. Unless you have Olympian-level strength, attaining - let alone maintaining - 25mph on level ground is very difficult and especially so on a confined space such as a sidewalk. 15mph is possible but that’s about it.
Nonetheless I’d be all for a law banning cycling on any and all sidewalks where there is an adjacent protected bike lane. That is entirely reasonable.
It’s not uncommon for runners to run five minute miles. That translates to 12 miles per hour. Someone on a bike could easily go twice that.
20 mph (PP's estimate) is right in the middle of the average for an advanced cyclist and on a downhill they could easily get to 24 mph (the average top-end speed for an advanced cyclist). Thanks for the link.
It's good to hear that DC's sidewalks are in such an outstanding, smooth, unblocked, non-bumpy condition that athletes can reach Tour de France speeds on them.
PP wasn't talking about a sidewalk. PP was talking about a protected bike lane on a downhill stretch. Just keep deflecting.
Huh?
“I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk”
No cyclist are doing those speeds on a sidewalk. It’s patently absurd. To assert such only shows you no nothing about speed nor cycling.
The discussion about speed started with this: "I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least." One of the bike trolls claimed no one rode 20 mph in a bike lane, which prompted the dubious claim of 25 mph on a sidewalk.
20 mph downhill on the road or a bike lane is certainly possible. But any cyclist who routinely runs red lights or stop signs at 20 mph is not someone who is going to be around long enough for you to worry much about.
Don’t you understand? Nothing is ever a cyclist’s fault. If a cyclist ran a stop sign at 30 mph and got hit by a car and died, it would be the driver’s fault regardless of the details of what actually happened.
This thread notwithstanding, the number of cyclists in DC who are killed by drivers is pretty close to the number of cyclists who are eaten by bears.
Yeah, you keep saying that, and every time you say it, it makes you sound worse.
I think PP's point is the the number of cyclists killed is statistically insignificant, and they're not wrong. Every death is a tragedy but the story is in each narrative, not the overall numbers.
What an absolutely ghoulish thing to write. Every road death represents a life tragically cut short. Those lives may not mean much to you, but they do to so many others. What is especially tragic is that many of these deaths could have been prevented if we had better infrastructure and more rigorous enforcement of road regulations, especially speeding.
Uh huh. While you hyperventilate about drivers, it’s worth noting that the number of cyclists killed in this city is minuscule. It’s amazing it’s not higher given all the stupid things cyclists do.
The number of children murdered in this city dwarfs the number of cyclists killed. But sure let’s all focus on that one white guy on a bike who got hit by a car three years ago
These are completely unrelated policy questions, though. We can be furious at children being murdered but also think the roads could be safer to bike on.
Except that’s not what happens *at all*. All the attention and a stunning amount of money goes to the white guy on a bike who is an adult who voluntarily chose to do something that everyone knows is dangerous. Every public dollar spent on one thing like subsidizing the hobbies of Bernie bros is a dollar that can’t be spent on another thing.
please stop. I doubt you care about black kids getting shot - you’re just trying to make a point. meanwhile, black kids actually DO disproportionately suffer from traffic accidents (and some die, including those on bikes). making streets safer for bikers and pedestrians would strongly benefit black kids.
Uh huh right. I think it’s disgusting how much of our public resources white guys are able to commandeer for their hobbies in a city with shocking poverty and crime rates. Our poverty rate is the same as West Virginia. We have as many murders as Baltimore. The children angle will upset anyone who has kids (you obviously do not).
White peoples from Ward 3 go to the front of line for everything including scarce tax dollars
It's common sense that scarce tax dollars should not be spent subsidizing others' personal choices, particularly when those choices impose negative externalities on the rest of the population. For this reason, DC should impose congestion and road tolls to ensure that all users who impose their vehicles on the city's roads contribute their fair share to the massive cost of maintaining the city's road network and that said users are properly incentivized to opt for forms of transportation that are less socially harmful.
Except those roads are not built in order to provide a space for someone's hobby. They were built in order to enable the transportation of goods and workers. No roads = no food. No roads = no ambulances. No roads = no iphones, renovations, whole foods, uber, doordash or instacart. Just because you hire someone to mow your lawn does not mean that lawnmowers aren't needed.
I want to understand why you think riding a bike is "a hobby", particularly on main transit routes. Is it your belief that most of these cyclists are just out riding for pleasure with no destination or purpose?
Different poster. You have plenty of options to get to work. You can drive. You can Uber. You can carpool. You can ride the bus. You can ride the subway. You can walk. The city shouldn’t have to make special accommodations because a teensy number of people want to use a form of transportation that’s not on the list. We don’t do that for people who want to roller blade to work. And the city certainly shouldn’t have to spend billions of dollars on safety measures because the form of transportation you want to use happens to be really dangerous. This is the epitome of white privilege.
Bike lanes can accommodate and do accommodate a wide variety of modes, including roller-blading, scooters, Segways, e-bikes, pedal bikes, wheelchairs, and many other forms of assisted mobility. The notion that DC (or DMV governments generally) are spending billions of dollars on bike lanes is nothing short of laughable. Spending on bike lanes comprises a tiny fraction of the overall transportation budget and bike lanes will never make up more than a tiny fraction of available road space. The allocation of hundreds of millions of dollars to road maintenance and new road construction represents massive subsidies for those who drive or are driven. As you point out, those who do so have many other options to go to work and nothing other than "privilege" describes the reflexive opposition that some drivers have towards bike lanes that allow people to travel throughout the city by cheaper, cleaner, and healthier modes. And it is driving, not cycling, that is "really dangerous". Cases of single-ride bicycling accidents are extremely rare. Cases of cyclists and pedestrians being killed or seriously injured by inattentive drivers are, on the other hand, anything but rare.
The amount of rage that would be unleashed if a cyclist encountered a stroller or wheel chair in their precious bike lane would be nuclear level. I’ve encountered it personally while pushing a stroller or kids with training wheels on closed beach drive where there is plenty of room to maneuver.
Yep, there's nothing I like to do more the middle of a pleasant bike ride than yell at a parent and their children for also enjoying the outdoors. You've got me pegged.
Anonymous wrote:I really appreciated the guy going 20mph on his e-bike in the bike lanes ringing his bell as he ran the red light so the pedestrians had a chance to scatter before he went through the crosswalk. All the cars at the intersection were stopped, by the way.
Wow. I also saw many cars speeding and couple running red lights yesterday. Shall we all chip in with our observations of bad behavior by road users in Washington, DC. What great fun that would be.
How many of those cars honked their horns to make pedestrians scatter out of the crosswalk while they ran the red light? I’m not talking about technical violations that may have resulted from inattention, which, while extremely dangerous, is not the same as wanton and willful lawbreaking. The problem with too many cyclists is that they expect everyone to adjust to their presence regardless of what the law is. That tendency is worse when they’re in protected bike lanes because they don’t have to worry about cars.
If I’m walking in a crosswalk, having already established a lawful presence there, stop for me. It’s the law and it’s also common courtesy.
Yes, it is. It's the law. Which is routinely broken by drivers of cars, with or without bike lanes, and when drivers do it, they can seriously injure or kill you. But sure, let's focus on bike lanes.
The more people bike instead of drive, the safer you as a pedestrian will be.
You never acknowledge that you have any responsibility for the safety of others as a cyclist, so your argument that I'll be safer with more bike lanes falls flat. That's the problem. Too many cyclists fail to take responsibility for anyone else's safety, even that of other cyclists. I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least.
A regular bike at 20 mph on a bike lane in your mysterious unnamed intersection in DC? Where is that mysterious unnamed intersection, by the way?
It’s on a downhill. It’s an easy 20. You still keep deflecting instead of acknowledging how your own conduct can put other people at risk.
I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk
Faster than 25 mph, on a bike, on the sidewalk of a street in DC. You don't say.
People do some crazy shit
People also have no sense of speed. Unless you have Olympian-level strength, attaining - let alone maintaining - 25mph on level ground is very difficult and especially so on a confined space such as a sidewalk. 15mph is possible but that’s about it.
Nonetheless I’d be all for a law banning cycling on any and all sidewalks where there is an adjacent protected bike lane. That is entirely reasonable.
It’s not uncommon for runners to run five minute miles. That translates to 12 miles per hour. Someone on a bike could easily go twice that.
20 mph (PP's estimate) is right in the middle of the average for an advanced cyclist and on a downhill they could easily get to 24 mph (the average top-end speed for an advanced cyclist). Thanks for the link.
It's good to hear that DC's sidewalks are in such an outstanding, smooth, unblocked, non-bumpy condition that athletes can reach Tour de France speeds on them.
PP wasn't talking about a sidewalk. PP was talking about a protected bike lane on a downhill stretch. Just keep deflecting.
Huh?
“I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk”
No cyclist are doing those speeds on a sidewalk. It’s patently absurd. To assert such only shows you no nothing about speed nor cycling.
The discussion about speed started with this: "I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least." One of the bike trolls claimed no one rode 20 mph in a bike lane, which prompted the dubious claim of 25 mph on a sidewalk.
20 mph downhill on the road or a bike lane is certainly possible. But any cyclist who routinely runs red lights or stop signs at 20 mph is not someone who is going to be around long enough for you to worry much about.
Don’t you understand? Nothing is ever a cyclist’s fault. If a cyclist ran a stop sign at 30 mph and got hit by a car and died, it would be the driver’s fault regardless of the details of what actually happened.
This thread notwithstanding, the number of cyclists in DC who are killed by drivers is pretty close to the number of cyclists who are eaten by bears.
Yeah, you keep saying that, and every time you say it, it makes you sound worse.
I think PP's point is the the number of cyclists killed is statistically insignificant, and they're not wrong. Every death is a tragedy but the story is in each narrative, not the overall numbers.
What an absolutely ghoulish thing to write. Every road death represents a life tragically cut short. Those lives may not mean much to you, but they do to so many others. What is especially tragic is that many of these deaths could have been prevented if we had better infrastructure and more rigorous enforcement of road regulations, especially speeding.
Uh huh. While you hyperventilate about drivers, it’s worth noting that the number of cyclists killed in this city is minuscule. It’s amazing it’s not higher given all the stupid things cyclists do.
The number of children murdered in this city dwarfs the number of cyclists killed. But sure let’s all focus on that one white guy on a bike who got hit by a car three years ago
These are completely unrelated policy questions, though. We can be furious at children being murdered but also think the roads could be safer to bike on.
Except that’s not what happens *at all*. All the attention and a stunning amount of money goes to the white guy on a bike who is an adult who voluntarily chose to do something that everyone knows is dangerous. Every public dollar spent on one thing like subsidizing the hobbies of Bernie bros is a dollar that can’t be spent on another thing.
please stop. I doubt you care about black kids getting shot - you’re just trying to make a point. meanwhile, black kids actually DO disproportionately suffer from traffic accidents (and some die, including those on bikes). making streets safer for bikers and pedestrians would strongly benefit black kids.
Uh huh right. I think it’s disgusting how much of our public resources white guys are able to commandeer for their hobbies in a city with shocking poverty and crime rates. Our poverty rate is the same as West Virginia. We have as many murders as Baltimore. The children angle will upset anyone who has kids (you obviously do not).
White peoples from Ward 3 go to the front of line for everything including scarce tax dollars
It's common sense that scarce tax dollars should not be spent subsidizing others' personal choices, particularly when those choices impose negative externalities on the rest of the population. For this reason, DC should impose congestion and road tolls to ensure that all users who impose their vehicles on the city's roads contribute their fair share to the massive cost of maintaining the city's road network and that said users are properly incentivized to opt for forms of transportation that are less socially harmful.
Except those roads are not built in order to provide a space for someone's hobby. They were built in order to enable the transportation of goods and workers. No roads = no food. No roads = no ambulances. No roads = no iphones, renovations, whole foods, uber, doordash or instacart. Just because you hire someone to mow your lawn does not mean that lawnmowers aren't needed.
I want to understand why you think riding a bike is "a hobby", particularly on main transit routes. Is it your belief that most of these cyclists are just out riding for pleasure with no destination or purpose?
Different poster. You have plenty of options to get to work. You can drive. You can Uber. You can carpool. You can ride the bus. You can ride the subway. You can walk. The city shouldn’t have to make special accommodations because a teensy number of people want to use a form of transportation that’s not on the list. We don’t do that for people who want to roller blade to work. And the city certainly shouldn’t have to spend billions of dollars on safety measures because the form of transportation you want to use happens to be really dangerous. This is the epitome of white privilege.
Bike lanes can accommodate and do accommodate a wide variety of modes, including roller-blading, scooters, Segways, e-bikes, pedal bikes, wheelchairs, and many other forms of assisted mobility. The notion that DC (or DMV governments generally) are spending billions of dollars on bike lanes is nothing short of laughable. Spending on bike lanes comprises a tiny fraction of the overall transportation budget and bike lanes will never make up more than a tiny fraction of available road space. The allocation of hundreds of millions of dollars to road maintenance and new road construction represents massive subsidies for those who drive or are driven. As you point out, those who do so have many other options to go to work and nothing other than "privilege" describes the reflexive opposition that some drivers have towards bike lanes that allow people to travel throughout the city by cheaper, cleaner, and healthier modes. And it is driving, not cycling, that is "really dangerous". Cases of single-ride bicycling accidents are extremely rare. Cases of cyclists and pedestrians being killed or seriously injured by inattentive drivers are, on the other hand, anything but rare.
The amount of rage that would be unleashed if a cyclist encountered a stroller or wheel chair in their precious bike lane would be nuclear level. I’ve encountered it personally while pushing a stroller or kids with training wheels on closed beach drive where there is plenty of room to maneuver.
Yep, there's nothing I like to do more the middle of a pleasant bike ride than yell at a parent and their children for also enjoying the outdoors. You've got me pegged.
Are there seriously people who haven’t been screamed at by a cyclist for something crazy?
Anonymous wrote:I really appreciated the guy going 20mph on his e-bike in the bike lanes ringing his bell as he ran the red light so the pedestrians had a chance to scatter before he went through the crosswalk. All the cars at the intersection were stopped, by the way.
Wow. I also saw many cars speeding and couple running red lights yesterday. Shall we all chip in with our observations of bad behavior by road users in Washington, DC. What great fun that would be.
How many of those cars honked their horns to make pedestrians scatter out of the crosswalk while they ran the red light? I’m not talking about technical violations that may have resulted from inattention, which, while extremely dangerous, is not the same as wanton and willful lawbreaking. The problem with too many cyclists is that they expect everyone to adjust to their presence regardless of what the law is. That tendency is worse when they’re in protected bike lanes because they don’t have to worry about cars.
If I’m walking in a crosswalk, having already established a lawful presence there, stop for me. It’s the law and it’s also common courtesy.
Yes, it is. It's the law. Which is routinely broken by drivers of cars, with or without bike lanes, and when drivers do it, they can seriously injure or kill you. But sure, let's focus on bike lanes.
The more people bike instead of drive, the safer you as a pedestrian will be.
You never acknowledge that you have any responsibility for the safety of others as a cyclist, so your argument that I'll be safer with more bike lanes falls flat. That's the problem. Too many cyclists fail to take responsibility for anyone else's safety, even that of other cyclists. I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least.
A regular bike at 20 mph on a bike lane in your mysterious unnamed intersection in DC? Where is that mysterious unnamed intersection, by the way?
It’s on a downhill. It’s an easy 20. You still keep deflecting instead of acknowledging how your own conduct can put other people at risk.
I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk
Faster than 25 mph, on a bike, on the sidewalk of a street in DC. You don't say.
People do some crazy shit
People also have no sense of speed. Unless you have Olympian-level strength, attaining - let alone maintaining - 25mph on level ground is very difficult and especially so on a confined space such as a sidewalk. 15mph is possible but that’s about it.
Nonetheless I’d be all for a law banning cycling on any and all sidewalks where there is an adjacent protected bike lane. That is entirely reasonable.
It’s not uncommon for runners to run five minute miles. That translates to 12 miles per hour. Someone on a bike could easily go twice that.
20 mph (PP's estimate) is right in the middle of the average for an advanced cyclist and on a downhill they could easily get to 24 mph (the average top-end speed for an advanced cyclist). Thanks for the link.
It's good to hear that DC's sidewalks are in such an outstanding, smooth, unblocked, non-bumpy condition that athletes can reach Tour de France speeds on them.
PP wasn't talking about a sidewalk. PP was talking about a protected bike lane on a downhill stretch. Just keep deflecting.
Huh?
“I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk”
No cyclist are doing those speeds on a sidewalk. It’s patently absurd. To assert such only shows you no nothing about speed nor cycling.
The discussion about speed started with this: "I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least." One of the bike trolls claimed no one rode 20 mph in a bike lane, which prompted the dubious claim of 25 mph on a sidewalk.
20 mph downhill on the road or a bike lane is certainly possible. But any cyclist who routinely runs red lights or stop signs at 20 mph is not someone who is going to be around long enough for you to worry much about.
Don’t you understand? Nothing is ever a cyclist’s fault. If a cyclist ran a stop sign at 30 mph and got hit by a car and died, it would be the driver’s fault regardless of the details of what actually happened.
This thread notwithstanding, the number of cyclists in DC who are killed by drivers is pretty close to the number of cyclists who are eaten by bears.
Yeah, you keep saying that, and every time you say it, it makes you sound worse.
I think PP's point is the the number of cyclists killed is statistically insignificant, and they're not wrong. Every death is a tragedy but the story is in each narrative, not the overall numbers.
What an absolutely ghoulish thing to write. Every road death represents a life tragically cut short. Those lives may not mean much to you, but they do to so many others. What is especially tragic is that many of these deaths could have been prevented if we had better infrastructure and more rigorous enforcement of road regulations, especially speeding.
Uh huh. While you hyperventilate about drivers, it’s worth noting that the number of cyclists killed in this city is minuscule. It’s amazing it’s not higher given all the stupid things cyclists do.
The number of children murdered in this city dwarfs the number of cyclists killed. But sure let’s all focus on that one white guy on a bike who got hit by a car three years ago
It’s very telling that there is a Vision Zero for cyclists but not a Vision Zero for murdering elementary school students
Anonymous wrote:I really appreciated the guy going 20mph on his e-bike in the bike lanes ringing his bell as he ran the red light so the pedestrians had a chance to scatter before he went through the crosswalk. All the cars at the intersection were stopped, by the way.
Wow. I also saw many cars speeding and couple running red lights yesterday. Shall we all chip in with our observations of bad behavior by road users in Washington, DC. What great fun that would be.
How many of those cars honked their horns to make pedestrians scatter out of the crosswalk while they ran the red light? I’m not talking about technical violations that may have resulted from inattention, which, while extremely dangerous, is not the same as wanton and willful lawbreaking. The problem with too many cyclists is that they expect everyone to adjust to their presence regardless of what the law is. That tendency is worse when they’re in protected bike lanes because they don’t have to worry about cars.
If I’m walking in a crosswalk, having already established a lawful presence there, stop for me. It’s the law and it’s also common courtesy.
Yes, it is. It's the law. Which is routinely broken by drivers of cars, with or without bike lanes, and when drivers do it, they can seriously injure or kill you. But sure, let's focus on bike lanes.
The more people bike instead of drive, the safer you as a pedestrian will be.
You never acknowledge that you have any responsibility for the safety of others as a cyclist, so your argument that I'll be safer with more bike lanes falls flat. That's the problem. Too many cyclists fail to take responsibility for anyone else's safety, even that of other cyclists. I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least.
A regular bike at 20 mph on a bike lane in your mysterious unnamed intersection in DC? Where is that mysterious unnamed intersection, by the way?
It’s on a downhill. It’s an easy 20. You still keep deflecting instead of acknowledging how your own conduct can put other people at risk.
I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk
Faster than 25 mph, on a bike, on the sidewalk of a street in DC. You don't say.
People do some crazy shit
People also have no sense of speed. Unless you have Olympian-level strength, attaining - let alone maintaining - 25mph on level ground is very difficult and especially so on a confined space such as a sidewalk. 15mph is possible but that’s about it.
Nonetheless I’d be all for a law banning cycling on any and all sidewalks where there is an adjacent protected bike lane. That is entirely reasonable.
It’s not uncommon for runners to run five minute miles. That translates to 12 miles per hour. Someone on a bike could easily go twice that.
20 mph (PP's estimate) is right in the middle of the average for an advanced cyclist and on a downhill they could easily get to 24 mph (the average top-end speed for an advanced cyclist). Thanks for the link.
It's good to hear that DC's sidewalks are in such an outstanding, smooth, unblocked, non-bumpy condition that athletes can reach Tour de France speeds on them.
PP wasn't talking about a sidewalk. PP was talking about a protected bike lane on a downhill stretch. Just keep deflecting.
Huh?
“I’ve seen cyclists go faster than that on sidewalks. I was driving down one of those streets named after a state, going maybe 25mph, and was passed by a bike on the sidewalk”
No cyclist are doing those speeds on a sidewalk. It’s patently absurd. To assert such only shows you no nothing about speed nor cycling.
The discussion about speed started with this: "I'm pretty sure getting hit by a cyclist on an e-bike or regular bike at 20 mph, which is faster than cars usually go at this intersection because of the congestion, would result in some broken ribs at the least." One of the bike trolls claimed no one rode 20 mph in a bike lane, which prompted the dubious claim of 25 mph on a sidewalk.
20 mph downhill on the road or a bike lane is certainly possible. But any cyclist who routinely runs red lights or stop signs at 20 mph is not someone who is going to be around long enough for you to worry much about.
Don’t you understand? Nothing is ever a cyclist’s fault. If a cyclist ran a stop sign at 30 mph and got hit by a car and died, it would be the driver’s fault regardless of the details of what actually happened.
This thread notwithstanding, the number of cyclists in DC who are killed by drivers is pretty close to the number of cyclists who are eaten by bears.
Yeah, you keep saying that, and every time you say it, it makes you sound worse.
I think PP's point is the the number of cyclists killed is statistically insignificant, and they're not wrong. Every death is a tragedy but the story is in each narrative, not the overall numbers.
What an absolutely ghoulish thing to write. Every road death represents a life tragically cut short. Those lives may not mean much to you, but they do to so many others. What is especially tragic is that many of these deaths could have been prevented if we had better infrastructure and more rigorous enforcement of road regulations, especially speeding.
Uh huh. While you hyperventilate about drivers, it’s worth noting that the number of cyclists killed in this city is minuscule. It’s amazing it’s not higher given all the stupid things cyclists do.
The number of children murdered in this city dwarfs the number of cyclists killed. But sure let’s all focus on that one white guy on a bike who got hit by a car three years ago
It’s very telling that there is a Vision Zero for cyclists but not a Vision Zero for murdering elementary school students
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