Wake Forest

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Anonymous wrote:Wake has had a heavy NJ/NY contingent for a long time, not just recently.

My friends there were from many places, not just the south.

Why did our tour guide talk so much about the chapel as the center of school? He kept making it seem like a religious school or something…

It is the most prominent and recognizable building on campus.

Wake cut ties with the Baptist Church years ago, but it did start that way-where do you think Deacons comes from?

That said, the Chapel is mostly used for large school gatherings. I saw Maya Angelou speak there. I saw a night line episode shot there. They have used it as the site of presidential debates. Shoot, Dave Matthews Band played in there while I was a student!

Fwiw, I did find the student body a little more churchy than I expected in the 90s. That said, other than the one required religion class, that was the only thing that was unavoidable.

They did still use the chapel for a Sunday service back then, but I assure you that there isn’t pressure to participate. Most kids are sleeping off their hangover on Sunday morning

I was at that same Dave Matthews concert in the chapel!! So fun and i think there was a "big" concert in the chapel every year, Toad the Wet Sprocket come to mind.
It has now become a school of the "haves" and "have nots". Rich kids who can afford it and poor kids who qualify for financial aid. The kids in the middle have been left out and the school isn't really doing anything to combat that, sadly. Also LOTS Of emphasis on trying to attract diversity and attracting kids from overseas who are full pay.

Is the campus very socially segregated racially? Seems like a sizable low income Afam population/financial aid recipients and a sizable wealthy white pop and the 2 do not mix?

Why would you say there “seems like a sizable, low income, African-American population, financial aid recipients”? How could you even tell – unless you ask them how much money they made, or whether they were all financial aid? Do they look a certain way, do they dress a certain way,?

Maybe you have more info than me, but all 3 of the black students I know there are from wealthy private school families. And at least one is dating someone from a similar Socio economic background.

I do know they offered great merit aid, which is why my full-pay AA relative chose it over Brown. also they said their kid loved the weather and the sports aspect there as well.

That's interesting because that is the thing people get most frustrated about at wake - lack of merit aid. I only knew a couple kids there on academic scholarships in my time, and I heard they have gotten even stingier over time

Wake has the Signature scholarships, which are full ride merit aid. There is also a limited amount of additional merit aid. Of course, Brown, as an Ivy, offers no merit aid.

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We visited this week too. Our DD really liked it. We (the parents) thought it seemed white and rich. It’s very expensive. Winston-Salem seemed very dull and I imagine our kid wouldn’t spend time much there. It didn’t seem to even have normal shopping areas or much to do compared to places the same size or even significantly smaller.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited this week too. Our DD really liked it. We (the parents) thought it seemed white and rich. It’s very expensive. Winston-Salem seemed very dull and I imagine our kid wouldn’t spend time much there. It didn’t seem to even have normal shopping areas or much to do compared to places the same size or even significantly smaller.

It’s strange that you managed to form an impression about the students when classes aren’t in session, and even freshman don’t move in for orientation for another week or two.

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Amusing when people judge a school like Wake as too this or that. Most of the top 50-75 schools in the United States are similar in some ways. They have wealthy people and yes some white people, though the amount might vary slightly based on size of student population and location. They all have some good professors and some duds. They all have parties, drinking and some type of drugs.

The only differences are really how many people, how big the campus is, and the culture and specialties. That is what you are choosing when your student makes their list of schools to apply to.

Wake is a suburban school for <6000 undergrads with a nice campus, small classes and motivated students. If there is not enough near campus for one poster, or they want Big 10 sports, or a city setting like NYU, that is a preference, not an indictment of Wake.

And no, I have no horse in this race, just wanted to learn about the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake has had a heavy NJ/NY contingent for a long time, not just recently.

My friends there were from many places, not just the south.

Why did our tour guide talk so much about the chapel as the center of school? He kept making it seem like a religious school or something…

It is the most prominent and recognizable building on campus.

Wake cut ties with the Baptist Church years ago, but it did start that way-where do you think Deacons comes from?

That said, the Chapel is mostly used for large school gatherings. I saw Maya Angelou speak there. I saw a night line episode shot there. They have used it as the site of presidential debates. Shoot, Dave Matthews Band played in there while I was a student!

Fwiw, I did find the student body a little more churchy than I expected in the 90s. That said, other than the one required religion class, that was the only thing that was unavoidable.

They did still use the chapel for a Sunday service back then, but I assure you that there isn’t pressure to participate. Most kids are sleeping off their hangover on Sunday morning

I was at that same Dave Matthews concert in the chapel!! So fun and i think there was a "big" concert in the chapel every year, Toad the Wet Sprocket come to mind.
It has now become a school of the "haves" and "have nots". Rich kids who can afford it and poor kids who qualify for financial aid. The kids in the middle have been left out and the school isn't really doing anything to combat that, sadly. Also LOTS Of emphasis on trying to attract diversity and attracting kids from overseas who are full pay.

Is the campus very socially segregated racially? Seems like a sizable low income Afam population/financial aid recipients and a sizable wealthy white pop and the 2 do not mix?

Why would you say there “seems like a sizable, low income, African-American population, financial aid recipients”? How could you even tell – unless you ask them how much money they made, or whether they were all financial aid? Do they look a certain way, do they dress a certain way,?

Maybe you have more info than me, but all 3 of the black students I know there are from wealthy private school families. And at least one is dating someone from a similar Socio economic background.

I do know they offered great merit aid, which is why my full-pay AA relative chose it over Brown. also they said their kid loved the weather and the sports aspect there as well.

That's interesting because that is the thing people get most frustrated about at wake - lack of merit aid. I only knew a couple kids there on academic scholarships in my time, and I heard they have gotten even stingier over time

Wake has the Signature scholarships, which are full ride merit aid. There is also a limited amount of additional merit aid. Of course, Brown, as an Ivy, offers no merit aid.

I was just at Wake. They only give merit to the top 3% of applicants, and you must apply ED to be considered, unless you are first gen, in which case you can EA. Wake Forest should open up EA - it would increase the number of middle class kids.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited this week too. Our DD really liked it. We (the parents) thought it seemed white and rich. It’s very expensive. Winston-Salem seemed very dull and I imagine our kid wouldn’t spend time much there. It didn’t seem to even have normal shopping areas or much to do compared to places the same size or even significantly smaller.

It is very elitist. I’ve heard terrible things about working with their financial aid staff.

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Oh, I meant to comment - we really didn’t leave campus much. The campus was fairly self contained. Almost everything you needed was right there. Occasional dinners out, a movie here and there, trip to the mall or big box store (superK at the time), concert at the local dive bar/club. Winston was not a draw for anyone

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Anonymous wrote:We visited this week too. Our DD really liked it. We (the parents) thought it seemed white and rich. It’s very expensive. Winston-Salem seemed very dull and I imagine our kid wouldn’t spend time much there. It didn’t seem to even have normal shopping areas or much to do compared to places the same size or even significantly smaller.

It is very elitist. I’ve heard terrible things about working with their financial aid staff.

Heard the same

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Anonymous wrote:Wake has had a heavy NJ/NY contingent for a long time, not just recently.

My friends there were from many places, not just the south.

Why did our tour guide talk so much about the chapel as the center of school? He kept making it seem like a religious school or something…

It is the most prominent and recognizable building on campus.

Wake cut ties with the Baptist Church years ago, but it did start that way-where do you think Deacons comes from?

That said, the Chapel is mostly used for large school gatherings. I saw Maya Angelou speak there. I saw a night line episode shot there. They have used it as the site of presidential debates. Shoot, Dave Matthews Band played in there while I was a student!

Fwiw, I did find the student body a little more churchy than I expected in the 90s. That said, other than the one required religion class, that was the only thing that was unavoidable.

They did still use the chapel for a Sunday service back then, but I assure you that there isn’t pressure to participate. Most kids are sleeping off their hangover on Sunday morning

I was at that same Dave Matthews concert in the chapel!! So fun and i think there was a "big" concert in the chapel every year, Toad the Wet Sprocket come to mind.
It has now become a school of the "haves" and "have nots". Rich kids who can afford it and poor kids who qualify for financial aid. The kids in the middle have been left out and the school isn't really doing anything to combat that, sadly. Also LOTS Of emphasis on trying to attract diversity and attracting kids from overseas who are full pay.

Is the campus very socially segregated racially? Seems like a sizable low income Afam population/financial aid recipients and a sizable wealthy white pop and the 2 do not mix?

Why would you say there “seems like a sizable, low income, African-American population, financial aid recipients”? How could you even tell – unless you ask them how much money they made, or whether they were all financial aid? Do they look a certain way, do they dress a certain way,?

Maybe you have more info than me, but all 3 of the black students I know there are from wealthy private school families. And at least one is dating someone from a similar Socio economic background.

I do know they offered great merit aid, which is why my full-pay AA relative chose it over Brown. also they said their kid loved the weather and the sports aspect there as well.

That's interesting because that is the thing people get most frustrated about at wake - lack of merit aid. I only knew a couple kids there on academic scholarships in my time, and I heard they have gotten even stingier over time

Wake has the Signature scholarships, which are full ride merit aid. There is also a limited amount of additional merit aid. Of course, Brown, as an Ivy, offers no merit aid.

I was just at Wake. They only give merit to the top 3% of applicants, and you must apply ED to be considered, unless you are first gen, in which case you can EA. Wake Forest should open up EA - it would increase the number of middle class kids.

You can submit a RD application b the scholarship deadline and will be considered for merit. I read elsewhere that merit often does to or favors in state.

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Anonymous wrote:Amusing when people judge a school like Wake as too this or that. Most of the top 50-75 schools in the United States are similar in some ways. They have wealthy people and yes some white people, though the amount might vary slightly based on size of student population and location. They all have some good professors and some duds. They all have parties, drinking and some type of drugs.

The only differences are really how many people, how big the campus is, and the culture and specialties. That is what you are choosing when your student makes their list of schools to apply to.

Wake is a suburban school for <6000 undergrads with a nice campus, small classes and motivated students. If there is not enough near campus for one poster, or they want Big 10 sports, or a city setting like NYU, that is a preference, not an indictment of Wake.

And no, I have no horse in this race, just wanted to learn about the school.

You haven’t even visited. We visited a bunch of schools and it stood out as more privileged.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited this week too. Our DD really liked it. We (the parents) thought it seemed white and rich. It’s very expensive. Winston-Salem seemed very dull and I imagine our kid wouldn’t spend time much there. It didn’t seem to even have normal shopping areas or much to do compared to places the same size or even significantly smaller.

You obviously didn't go into downtown WS. The technology center and all the great restaurants, arts center... you should check it out before you criticize it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake has had a heavy NJ/NY contingent for a long time, not just recently.

My friends there were from many places, not just the south.

Why did our tour guide talk so much about the chapel as the center of school? He kept making it seem like a religious school or something…

It is the most prominent and recognizable building on campus.

Wake cut ties with the Baptist Church years ago, but it did start that way-where do you think Deacons comes from?

That said, the Chapel is mostly used for large school gatherings. I saw Maya Angelou speak there. I saw a night line episode shot there. They have used it as the site of presidential debates. Shoot, Dave Matthews Band played in there while I was a student!

Fwiw, I did find the student body a little more churchy than I expected in the 90s. That said, other than the one required religion class, that was the only thing that was unavoidable.

They did still use the chapel for a Sunday service back then, but I assure you that there isn’t pressure to participate. Most kids are sleeping off their hangover on Sunday morning

I was at that same Dave Matthews concert in the chapel!! So fun and i think there was a "big" concert in the chapel every year, Toad the Wet Sprocket come to mind.
It has now become a school of the "haves" and "have nots". Rich kids who can afford it and poor kids who qualify for financial aid. The kids in the middle have been left out and the school isn't really doing anything to combat that, sadly. Also LOTS Of emphasis on trying to attract diversity and attracting kids from overseas who are full pay.

Is the campus very socially segregated racially? Seems like a sizable low income Afam population/financial aid recipients and a sizable wealthy white pop and the 2 do not mix?

Why would you say there “seems like a sizable, low income, African-American population, financial aid recipients”? How could you even tell – unless you ask them how much money they made, or whether they were all financial aid? Do they look a certain way, do they dress a certain way,?

Maybe you have more info than me, but all 3 of the black students I know there are from wealthy private school families. And at least one is dating someone from a similar Socio economic background.

I do know they offered great merit aid, which is why my full-pay AA relative chose it over Brown. also they said their kid loved the weather and the sports aspect there as well.

That's interesting because that is the thing people get most frustrated about at wake - lack of merit aid. I only knew a couple kids there on academic scholarships in my time, and I heard they have gotten even stingier over time

Wake has the Signature scholarships, which are full ride merit aid. There is also a limited amount of additional merit aid. Of course, Brown, as an Ivy, offers no merit aid.

I was just at Wake. They only give merit to the top 3% of applicants, and you must apply ED to be considered, unless you are first gen, in which case you can EA. Wake Forest should open up EA - it would increase the number of middle class kids.

You can submit a RD application b the scholarship deadline and will be considered for merit. I read elsewhere that merit often does to or favors in state.

They used to have merit awards specifically for nc residents - my boyfriend was on one of them

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, I meant to comment - we really didn’t leave campus much. The campus was fairly self contained. Almost everything you needed was right there. Occasional dinners out, a movie here and there, trip to the mall or big box store (superK at the time), concert at the local dive bar/club. Winston was not a draw for anyone

20 year ago yea, but Winston Salem has improved significantly over the past 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Amusing when people judge a school like Wake as too this or that. Most of the top 50-75 schools in the United States are similar in some ways. They have wealthy people and yes some white people, though the amount might vary slightly based on size of student population and location. They all have some good professors and some duds. They all have parties, drinking and some type of drugs.

The only differences are really how many people, how big the campus is, and the culture and specialties. That is what you are choosing when your student makes their list of schools to apply to.

Wake is a suburban school for <6000 undergrads with a nice campus, small classes and motivated students. If there is not enough near campus for one poster, or they want Big 10 sports, or a city setting like NYU, that is a preference, not an indictment of Wake.

And no, I have no horse in this race, just wanted to learn about the school.

You haven’t even visited. We visited a bunch of schools and it stood out as more privileged.

That may be a function of where you visited but Wake is not in the top 10 of schools with the wealthiest students.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake has had a heavy NJ/NY contingent for a long time, not just recently.

My friends there were from many places, not just the south.

Why did our tour guide talk so much about the chapel as the center of school? He kept making it seem like a religious school or something…

It is the most prominent and recognizable building on campus.

Wake cut ties with the Baptist Church years ago, but it did start that way-where do you think Deacons comes from?

That said, the Chapel is mostly used for large school gatherings. I saw Maya Angelou speak there. I saw a night line episode shot there. They have used it as the site of presidential debates. Shoot, Dave Matthews Band played in there while I was a student!

Fwiw, I did find the student body a little more churchy than I expected in the 90s. That said, other than the one required religion class, that was the only thing that was unavoidable.

They did still use the chapel for a Sunday service back then, but I assure you that there isn’t pressure to participate. Most kids are sleeping off their hangover on Sunday morning

I was at that same Dave Matthews concert in the chapel!! So fun and i think there was a "big" concert in the chapel every year, Toad the Wet Sprocket come to mind.
It has now become a school of the "haves" and "have nots". Rich kids who can afford it and poor kids who qualify for financial aid. The kids in the middle have been left out and the school isn't really doing anything to combat that, sadly. Also LOTS Of emphasis on trying to attract diversity and attracting kids from overseas who are full pay.

Is the campus very socially segregated racially? Seems like a sizable low income Afam population/financial aid recipients and a sizable wealthy white pop and the 2 do not mix?

Why would you say there “seems like a sizable, low income, African-American population, financial aid recipients”? How could you even tell – unless you ask them how much money they made, or whether they were all financial aid? Do they look a certain way, do they dress a certain way,?

Maybe you have more info than me, but all 3 of the black students I know there are from wealthy private school families. And at least one is dating someone from a similar Socio economic background.

I do know they offered great merit aid, which is why my full-pay AA relative chose it over Brown. also they said their kid loved the weather and the sports aspect there as well.

That's interesting because that is the thing people get most frustrated about at wake - lack of merit aid. I only knew a couple kids there on academic scholarships in my time, and I heard they have gotten even stingier over time

Wake has the Signature scholarships, which are full ride merit aid. There is also a limited amount of additional merit aid. Of course, Brown, as an Ivy, offers no merit aid.

I was just at Wake. They only give merit to the top 3% of applicants, and you must apply ED to be considered, unless you are first gen, in which case you can EA. Wake Forest should open up EA - it would increase the number of middle class kids.

You do realize that most schools in the T30 give zero or very little merit aid. Vandy and USC are the exceptions.