Which U.S. Presidents had genuinely good, solid marriages?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not something anyone here can answer with any confidence. We don’t know any of these couples. Behind the scenes, we never know the reality of any relationship.

It is fun to speculate- I guess?- but that all it is.

Why do you assume that people in DC don't know first families? They always socialize in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I’m the one weirdo who actually thinks the Clintons have a good marriage, or one I can relate to.

There’s a pragmatism, ambition, and friendship there. It seems real to me.

60% of spouses cheat at some point.

Maybe it’s my own marriage but a big part of why DH and I are together is because it’s in the mutual interest of our respective careers. We support each others ambitions and we are friends. I’m not sure we’re romantically in love with each other anymore but neither of us is leaving.

60%? Maybe in your circles.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe had just been elected Senator. His family stepped in to help and he took the train back and forth.

He loved those boys. And when Jill came along, she loved those boys too.

You do realize that wonderful people can raise kids who have addiction problems? My ILs are a good example of this. Both their sons have addiction problems - my husband has been sober for 9.5 years (alcohol), my BIL for 5 or so (drugs). My MIL was a kindergarten teacher most of her adult life. They were involved in their church. They did everything for their kids and I dare you to blame them for their son’s issues. They were both just born with a predisposition to addiction. It had nothing to do with whether they loved them or spent enough time with them.

Joe broke up Jill's first marriage. Their marriage was started as an affair.

Well, adultery is a deadly sin. Sad that it is his son who paid the price for Dad's sin.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I’m the one weirdo who actually thinks the Clintons have a good marriage, or one I can relate to.

There’s a pragmatism, ambition, and friendship there. It seems real to me.

60% of spouses cheat at some point.

Maybe it’s my own marriage but a big part of why DH and I are together is because it’s in the mutual interest of our respective careers. We support each others ambitions and we are friends. I’m not sure we’re romantically in love with each other anymore but neither of us is leaving.

Most people get cheating at some point and mutual interest in each others careers.

But Bill is just disgusting. His cheating goes beyond " cheating at some point."

His cheating with a 22 year old intern in the White House is another level of trashy. The power imbalance is so large that I couldn't look my DH in the eye after that. The respect, interest, all of it, would be gone.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I’m the one weirdo who actually thinks the Clintons have a good marriage, or one I can relate to.

There’s a pragmatism, ambition, and friendship there. It seems real to me.

60% of spouses cheat at some point.

Maybe it’s my own marriage but a big part of why DH and I are together is because it’s in the mutual interest of our respective careers. We support each others ambitions and we are friends. I’m not sure we’re romantically in love with each other anymore but neither of us is leaving.

Most people get cheating at some point and mutual interest in each others careers.

But Bill is just disgusting. His cheating goes beyond " cheating at some point."

His cheating with a 22 year old intern in the White House is another level of trashy. The power imbalance is so large that I couldn't look my DH in the eye after that. The respect, interest, all of it, would be gone.

Pp here. Ya know what. I’ve changed my mind. Truly. You’re right. That changes my perspective. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I’m the one weirdo who actually thinks the Clintons have a good marriage, or one I can relate to.

There’s a pragmatism, ambition, and friendship there. It seems real to me.

60% of spouses cheat at some point.

Maybe it’s my own marriage but a big part of why DH and I are together is because it’s in the mutual interest of our respective careers. We support each others ambitions and we are friends. I’m not sure we’re romantically in love with each other anymore but neither of us is leaving.

60%? Maybe in your circles.

+1 and he has been a serial cheater. It's not like it was one time and then he ended it.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe had just been elected Senator. His family stepped in to help and he took the train back and forth.

He loved those boys. And when Jill came along, she loved those boys too.

You do realize that wonderful people can raise kids who have addiction problems? My ILs are a good example of this. Both their sons have addiction problems - my husband has been sober for 9.5 years (alcohol), my BIL for 5 or so (drugs). My MIL was a kindergarten teacher most of her adult life. They were involved in their church. They did everything for their kids and I dare you to blame them for their son’s issues. They were both just born with a predisposition to addiction. It had nothing to do with whether they loved them or spent enough time with them.

Joe broke up Jill's first marriage. Their marriage was started as an affair.

Well, adultery is a deadly sin. Sad that it is his son who paid the price for Dad's sin.

Please provide proof of this. I have seen literally ONE article making this adultery claim. And ZERO articles by Hunter claiming that this was the root of his issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Just from outward appearances in my lifetime:

1. Jimmy and Rosalynn
2. Barack and Michelle
3. George W and Laura
4. Joe and Jill
5. George HW and Barbara
6. Ronald and Nancy
7. Bill and Hillary
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Donald and Melania

In what universe Bill and Hillary's marriage defined as a good marriage?

In the same universe that Donald and Melania have a good one. They are all getting something they need out of the marriage.

Yeah no.

Melania needed a visa and money. She got those.

What did Hillary need from Bill?

Melania got more out of that marriage than Hilarry did out of hers.

Melania's marriage is a good marriage for an escort turned trophy wife.

Hilary would have been a power house without Bill. See Condoleeza Rice. Hilary lost her dignity to that nasty man for nothing.

Uh, a Senate seat and Secretary of State? First ever woman to be nominated as a major party's POTUS candidate?

Hillary's success is intertwined with Bill's success. I do not necessarily think Hillary "would have been a power house without Bill." That's not the way the world works.

I think she could have possibly achieved the senate seat and secretary of state position on her own.

As for the presidential nomination, what's the point of running if you don't win? I am not sure if that added much if any value to her accomplishments. And i think Bill' messiness tarnished her image and possibly contributed to her presidential loss.

We would never know if she could have achieved all or any of this without Bill. However, we can imagine her coming close. She could run in similar circles without Bill.

Compare this to Melania: what were her chances as an uneducated escort/ model with no documents to marry a US billionaire? That's a big come up. That marriage took her to a completely different circle.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, Bill and his family background were a big conedown for Hilllary.

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Anonymous wrote:Just from outward appearances in my lifetime:

1. Jimmy and Rosalynn
2. Barack and Michelle
3. George W and Laura
4. Joe and Jill
5. George HW and Barbara
6. Ronald and Nancy
7. Bill and Hillary
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Donald and Melania

In what universe Bill and Hillary's marriage defined as a good marriage?

In the same universe that Donald and Melania have a good one. They are all getting something they need out of the marriage.

Yeah no.

Melania needed a visa and money. She got those.

What did Hillary need from Bill?

Melania got more out of that marriage than Hilarry did out of hers.

Melania's marriage is a good marriage for an escort turned trophy wife.

Hilary would have been a power house without Bill. See Condoleeza Rice. Hilary lost her dignity to that nasty man for nothing.

Uh, a Senate seat and Secretary of State? First ever woman to be nominated as a major party's POTUS candidate?

Hillary's success is intertwined with Bill's success. I do not necessarily think Hillary "would have been a power house without Bill." That's not the way the world works.

I think she could have possibly achieved the senate seat and secretary of state position on her own.

As for the presidential nomination, what's the point of running if you don't win? I am not sure if that added much if any value to her accomplishments. And i think Bill' messiness tarnished her image and possibly contributed to her presidential loss.

We would never know if she could have achieved all or any of this without Bill. However, we can imagine her coming close. She could run in similar circles without Bill.

Compare this to Melania: what were her chances as an uneducated escort/ model with no documents to marry a US billionaire? That's a big come up. That marriage took her to a completely different circle.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, Bill and his family background were a big conedown for Hilllary.

-Good deal for Bill Clinton: get a smart, powerful woman and sleep with whomever you want while she supports your career.
-Bad deal for Hillary Clinton..

-Good deal for both Donald and Melania Trump. An ugly, morally depraved Trump married a beautiful woman whom he could cheat on anytime. And she got something out of it too.

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Anonymous wrote:Just from outward appearances in my lifetime:

1. Jimmy and Rosalynn
2. Barack and Michelle
3. George W and Laura
4. Joe and Jill
5. George HW and Barbara
6. Ronald and Nancy
7. Bill and Hillary
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Donald and Melania

In what universe Bill and Hillary's marriage defined as a good marriage?

In the same universe that Donald and Melania have a good one. They are all getting something they need out of the marriage.

Yeah no.

Melania needed a visa and money. She got those.

What did Hillary need from Bill?

Melania got more out of that marriage than Hilarry did out of hers.

Melania's marriage is a good marriage for an escort turned trophy wife.

Hilary would have been a power house without Bill. See Condoleeza Rice. Hilary lost her dignity to that nasty man for nothing.

Uh, a Senate seat and Secretary of State? First ever woman to be nominated as a major party's POTUS candidate?

Hillary's success is intertwined with Bill's success. I do not necessarily think Hillary "would have been a power house without Bill." That's not the way the world works.

I think she could have possibly achieved the senate seat and secretary of state position on her own.

As for the presidential nomination, what's the point of running if you don't win? I am not sure if that added much if any value to her accomplishments. And i think Bill' messiness tarnished her image and possibly contributed to her presidential loss.

We would never know if she could have achieved all or any of this without Bill. However, we can imagine her coming close. She could run in similar circles without Bill.

Compare this to Melania: what were her chances as an uneducated escort/ model with no documents to marry a US billionaire? That's a big come up. That marriage took her to a completely different circle.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, Bill and his family background were a big conedown for Hilllary.

-Good deal for Bill Clinton: get a smart, powerful woman and sleep with whomever you want while she supports your career.
-Bad deal for Hillary Clinton..

-Good deal for both Donald and Melania Trump. An ugly, morally depraved Trump married a beautiful woman whom he could cheat on anytime. And she got something out of it too.

You analysing each marriage as a transaction. This is not what marriage is about if we are talking about a good marriage. None of those marriages (Clintons or Trumps) are good marriages.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not something anyone here can answer with any confidence. We don’t know any of these couples. Behind the scenes, we never know the reality of any relationship.

It is fun to speculate- I guess?- but that all it is.

Why do you assume that people in DC don't know first families? They always socialize in this area.

No one else ever truly knows what’s going on in other people’s marriages.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama cheated on his wife a lot. See David Garrow's riveting biography.

Lol. Nope. Obama was always faithful.

There's a reason why Michelle considered divorce multiple times.

According to who?

Biographer David Garrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Just from outward appearances in my lifetime:

1. Jimmy and Rosalynn
2. Barack and Michelle
3. George W and Laura
4. Joe and Jill
5. George HW and Barbara
6. Ronald and Nancy
7. Bill and Hillary
.
.
.
.
.
Donald and Melania

In what universe Bill and Hillary's marriage defined as a good marriage?

In the same universe that Donald and Melania have a good one. They are all getting something they need out of the marriage.

Yeah no.

Melania needed a visa and money. She got those.

What did Hillary need from Bill?

Melania got more out of that marriage than Hilarry did out of hers.

Melania's marriage is a good marriage for an escort turned trophy wife.

Hilary would have been a power house without Bill. See Condoleeza Rice. Hilary lost her dignity to that nasty man for nothing.

Uh, a Senate seat and Secretary of State? First ever woman to be nominated as a major party's POTUS candidate?

Hillary's success is intertwined with Bill's success. I do not necessarily think Hillary "would have been a power house without Bill." That's not the way the world works.

I think she could have possibly achieved the senate seat and secretary of state position on her own.

As for the presidential nomination, what's the point of running if you don't win? I am not sure if that added much if any value to her accomplishments. And i think Bill' messiness tarnished her image and possibly contributed to her presidential loss.

We would never know if she could have achieved all or any of this without Bill. However, we can imagine her coming close. She could run in similar circles without Bill.

Compare this to Melania: what were her chances as an uneducated escort/ model with no documents to marry a US billionaire? That's a big come up. That marriage took her to a completely different circle.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, Bill and his family background were a big conedown for Hilllary.

-Good deal for Bill Clinton: get a smart, powerful woman and sleep with whomever you want while she supports your career.
-Bad deal for Hillary Clinton..

-Good deal for both Donald and Melania Trump. An ugly, morally depraved Trump married a beautiful woman whom he could cheat on anytime. And she got something out of it too.

You analysing each marriage as a transaction. This is not what marriage is about if we are talking about a good marriage. None of those marriages (Clintons or Trumps) are good marriages.

True

But good is relative to the person, no?

An uneducated escort will not have the same values like you do.

A twice divorced morally bankrupt billionaire will not have the same values like you do.

A sexual predator will not have the same values like you do.

Good to them would be different than it is to you.

I am willing to bet that good to them is definitely a transaction. Melania even said in an interview that she is there for the money and he is there for the looks. Win- win for both of them!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not something anyone here can answer with any confidence. We don’t know any of these couples. Behind the scenes, we never know the reality of any relationship.

It is fun to speculate- I guess?- but that all it is.

Why do you assume that people in DC don't know first families? They always socialize in this area.

No one else ever truly knows what’s going on in other people’s marriages.

You are wrong. Michelle consulted with several local prominent attorneys, so several people know the details of their marriage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not something anyone here can answer with any confidence. We don’t know any of these couples. Behind the scenes, we never know the reality of any relationship.

It is fun to speculate- I guess?- but that all it is.

Why do you assume that people in DC don't know first families? They always socialize in this area.

No one else ever truly knows what’s going on in other people’s marriages.

You are wrong. Michelle consulted with several local prominent attorneys, so several people know the details of their marriage.

and she did this when - years ago or recently? If years ago, they worked through their issues and came out on the other side.

My parents almost split when I was in middle school - that was 30+ years ago.

My husband and I almost split about 10 years ago - we just celebrated our 20th anniversary in May.

Having a rocky time doesn't always mean a non-solid marriage.