Christian conservative/gay neighboring business owners fiasco in The Plains, VA

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Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.

Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.

Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.

Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.

Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.

In what universe is that an objective statement?!?

The post story is whipping up support.

Source: multiple Facebook groups and listservs I am a member of, where this topic has generated far more engagement than any topic in months and it’s all slanted toward washers, involving many new faces who haven’t engaged on the topic previously.

Those are the facts. Your opinion is me telling you that fact makes me a Republican, or something.

DP. Why are you a member of multiple Facebook groups and listservs for MAGAs? Anthropological study?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.

Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.

Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.

Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.

Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.

In what universe is that an objective statement?!?

The post story is whipping up support.

Source: multiple Facebook groups and listservs I am a member of, where this topic has generated far more engagement than any topic in months and it’s all slanted toward washers, involving many new faces who haven’t engaged on the topic previously.

Those are the facts. Your opinion is me telling you that fact makes me a Republican, or something.

Your mistake is believing that your "multiple Facebook groups and listservs" are representative of public sentiment. Republicans are so far gone that an article about paint drying would whip up support for conservative Christians. That's a fact.

[Anonymous]

Yeah ok. I’m going to trust a couple of uninformed city folk about what whips up the locals where I live. I’m telling you what is happening and how counter productive this article is to ending Washer’s political aspirations… but just like most urban dwellers, you guys know best. Good luck with that attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible the restaurant attracted rats, and a restaurant worker tossed a dead rat onto the neighbors property as claimed? I mean, is it possible? Restaurant garbage can attract rats. If a neighbor was attracting a bunch of rats, I'd just move though.

No, allegedly, the rat, absent an experts opinion, appeared to be one of the PetSmart variety.

Rats would be incredibly unusual in the plains. Racoons, mice, bears, squirrels, foxes, and annuity salespeople would pick through the trash and leave nothing behind for the rats to build a colony around. A bear would be much more likely than a rat, for example. Even in higher density/more restaurant areas like Warrenton and Middleburg, rats aren’t really expected.

But the washers are from prince william county and have no roots in Fauquier until they dropped a ton of money (they own businesses in Marshall now too) and tried to take over. They probably didn’t know rats weren’t going to be a credible claim - especially those that looked like they came from a pet store.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah ok. I’m going to trust a couple of uninformed city folk about what whips up the locals where I live. I’m telling you what is happening and how counter productive this article is to ending Washer’s political aspirations… but just like most urban dwellers, you guys know best. Good luck with that attitude.

Sure. Just like in 2020 when Republicans swore up and down that Trump was the bestest most amazing president ever, and nobody anybody ever talked to was even thinking of voting for Biden, and anybody who thought Trump would lose was just an out-of-touch effete urban cosmopolitan elitist living in a bubble. And then Biden won in a landslide. And like in 2022, when Republicans swore up and down that Joe Biden was the worstest president ever, that woke Democrats were destroying America, there was a red wave imminent, and nobody anybody ever talked to was even thinking of voting for a Democrat, and anybody who said otherwise was just an out-of-touch effete urban cosmopolitan elitist living in a bubble. And then Democrats held on to the Senate and lost the fewest seats in a midterm election in a generation.

As it turned out, Republicans were the ones living in a bubble the whole time. I'm sure this time is different, though

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah ok. I’m going to trust a couple of uninformed city folk about what whips up the locals where I live. I’m telling you what is happening and how counter productive this article is to ending Washer’s political aspirations… but just like most urban dwellers, you guys know best. Good luck with that attitude.

Sure. Just like in 2020 when Republicans swore up and down that Trump was the bestest most amazing president ever, and nobody anybody ever talked to was even thinking of voting for Biden, and anybody who thought Trump would lose was just an out-of-touch effete urban cosmopolitan elitist living in a bubble. And then Biden won in a landslide. And like in 2022, when Republicans swore up and down that Joe Biden was the worstest president ever, that woke Democrats were destroying America, there was a red wave imminent, and nobody anybody ever talked to was even thinking of voting for a Democrat, and anybody who said otherwise was just an out-of-touch effete urban cosmopolitan elitist living in a bubble. And then Democrats held on to the Senate and lost the fewest seats in a midterm election in a generation.

As it turned out, Republicans were the ones living in a bubble the whole time. I'm sure this time is different, though

You are deluded and have no idea about local politics. Stay inside the beltway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah ok. I’m going to trust a couple of uninformed city folk about what whips up the locals where I live. I’m telling you what is happening and how counter productive this article is to ending Washer’s political aspirations… but just like most urban dwellers, you guys know best. Good luck with that attitude.

Sure. Just like in 2020 when Republicans swore up and down that Trump was the bestest most amazing president ever, and nobody anybody ever talked to was even thinking of voting for Biden, and anybody who thought Trump would lose was just an out-of-touch effete urban cosmopolitan elitist living in a bubble. And then Biden won in a landslide. And like in 2022, when Republicans swore up and down that Joe Biden was the worstest president ever, that woke Democrats were destroying America, there was a red wave imminent, and nobody anybody ever talked to was even thinking of voting for a Democrat, and anybody who said otherwise was just an out-of-touch effete urban cosmopolitan elitist living in a bubble. And then Democrats held on to the Senate and lost the fewest seats in a midterm election in a generation.

As it turned out, Republicans were the ones living in a bubble the whole time. I'm sure this time is different, though

You are deluded and have no idea about local politics. Stay inside the beltway.

Cool. You answered my objective statement (Republicans are so safely ensconced in echo chambers that they've completely lost sight of the real world around them) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible the restaurant attracted rats, and a restaurant worker tossed a dead rat onto the neighbors property as claimed? I mean, is it possible? Restaurant garbage can attract rats. If a neighbor was attracting a bunch of rats, I'd just move though.

No, allegedly, the rat, absent an experts opinion, appeared to be one of the PetSmart variety.

Rats would be incredibly unusual in the plains. Racoons, mice, bears, squirrels, foxes, and annuity salespeople would pick through the trash and leave nothing behind for the rats to build a colony around. A bear would be much more likely than a rat, for example. Even in higher density/more restaurant areas like Warrenton and Middleburg, rats aren’t really expected.

But the washers are from prince william county and have no roots in Fauquier until they dropped a ton of money (they own businesses in Marshall now too) and tried to take over. They probably didn’t know rats weren’t going to be a credible claim - especially those that looked like they came from a pet store.

This is important. They thought they could move to The Plains and ingratiate themselves with the old money, old guard conservative families who have lived there for generations. That was stupid mistake #1. Those families wanted nothing to do with them. Stupid mistake #2 was doubling down and targeting an established business that no one else was bothered by and clogging up the local court system with a bunch of nonsense complaints about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible the restaurant attracted rats, and a restaurant worker tossed a dead rat onto the neighbors property as claimed? I mean, is it possible? Restaurant garbage can attract rats. If a neighbor was attracting a bunch of rats, I'd just move though.

No, allegedly, the rat, absent an experts opinion, appeared to be one of the PetSmart variety.

Rats would be incredibly unusual in the plains. Racoons, mice, bears, squirrels, foxes, and annuity salespeople would pick through the trash and leave nothing behind for the rats to build a colony around. A bear would be much more likely than a rat, for example. Even in higher density/more restaurant areas like Warrenton and Middleburg, rats aren’t really expected.

But the washers are from prince william county and have no roots in Fauquier until they dropped a ton of money (they own businesses in Marshall now too) and tried to take over. They probably didn’t know rats weren’t going to be a credible claim - especially those that looked like they came from a pet store.

This is important. They thought they could move to The Plains and ingratiate themselves with the old money, old guard conservative families who have lived there for generations. That was stupid mistake #1. Those families wanted nothing to do with them. Stupid mistake #2 was doubling down and targeting an established business that no one else was bothered by and clogging up the local court system with a bunch of nonsense complaints about it.

They totally thought they could buy into the old guard - but their grandparents didn’t even own a single horse with a Derby winning adjacent bloodline, so I don’t know how they expected to do that. They tried that first. Then moved onto the all hat no cattle image to attract the “modern farmhouse” pick up truck driving younger people and the blue collar/redneck contingent. He’s done a good job with them and is rapidly turning low propensity voters into likely voters and their numbers are far larger than the PEC set. He absolutely blew out the “establishment” “pro-development” republican in the primary. But the dirty secret is the guy he beat was less pro-development than washer, washer is just lying. The other guy is a well-known quantity and would have been very reasonable. Destroyed him in the primary. The independent candidate is being bankrolled by the blue bloods but they have a lot of money but not a lot of votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.

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The Front Page couple is better off far away from these lunatics. Wherever the Front Page couple moves, they will be happy - the Washers, not so much. The Washers will continue to be all hat, no cattle.

Some Freudian slips here, which reveal where you spent your younger happy hours, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.


However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.

x100000

The Front Page couple is better off far away from these lunatics. Wherever the Front Page couple moves, they will be happy - the Washers, not so much. The Washers will continue to be all hat, no cattle.

Some Freudian slips here, which reveal where you spent your younger happy hours, PP.

Ha! Not the PP, but didn’t catch that either! Ohhh the Front Page. Those were the days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Front Page couple should just lease out the space to another restauranteur if they don't want to deal with the headache of the Washers.

Don't give the Washers the satisfaction of a distressed sale. Make them live next to a restaurant.

PS - why the hell would the Washers even live in a commercial property? I'm sure they are playing all sorts of tax games.

Exactly this. They want to buy as many commercial properties in The Plains for as cheaply as possible and then sell them off to developers. Very scuzzy people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Front Page couple should just lease out the space to another restauranteur if they don't want to deal with the headache of the Washers.

Don't give the Washers the satisfaction of a distressed sale. Make them live next to a restaurant.

PS - why the hell would the Washers even live in a commercial property? I'm sure they are playing all sorts of tax games.

Exactly this. They want to buy as many commercial properties in The Plains for as cheaply as possible and then sell them off to developers. Very scuzzy people.

So your theory is that after spending $40,000 at the restaurant and making it wildly successful that they the decided to pull a complete 180 and instead run some commercial real estate arbitrage scheme involving dead rats? Do you even hear yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Front Page couple should just lease out the space to another restauranteur if they don't want to deal with the headache of the Washers.

Don't give the Washers the satisfaction of a distressed sale. Make them live next to a restaurant.

PS - why the hell would the Washers even live in a commercial property? I'm sure they are playing all sorts of tax games.

Exactly this. They want to buy as many commercial properties in The Plains for as cheaply as possible and then sell them off to developers. Very scuzzy people.

So your theory is that after spending $40,000 at the restaurant and making it wildly successful that they the decided to pull a complete 180 and instead run some commercial real estate arbitrage scheme involving dead rats? Do you even hear yourself?

The restaurant was wildly successful before the washers ever contemplated moving to the Plains.

Their spending there was out of convenience.

Their scheme is simply opportunistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Front Page couple should just lease out the space to another restauranteur if they don't want to deal with the headache of the Washers.

Don't give the Washers the satisfaction of a distressed sale. Make them live next to a restaurant.

PS - why the hell would the Washers even live in a commercial property? I'm sure they are playing all sorts of tax games.

Exactly this. They want to buy as many commercial properties in The Plains for as cheaply as possible and then sell them off to developers. Very scuzzy people.

So your theory is that after spending $40,000 at the restaurant and making it wildly successful that they the decided to pull a complete 180 and instead run some commercial real estate arbitrage scheme involving dead rats? Do you even hear yourself?

The restaurant was wildly successful before the washers ever contemplated moving to the Plains.

Their spending there was out of convenience.

Their scheme is simply opportunistic.

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They probably tried to butter up the restaurant owners through spending money at their establishment, hoping to get a sweetheart deal on the real estate because "aw shucks we're neighbors, let's get this off your hands so you can retire in peace" (going back to the big hat, no cattle approach). When that didn't work, the Washers went scorched earth.