Christian conservative/gay neighboring business owners fiasco in The Plains, VA

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.


Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.
Anonymous
Anyone who moves next to a business, then tries to get the business's zoning changed so they don't have to deal with living next to it, is in the wrong. This is pretty egregious. And yes it says the owners are now selling the restaurant - may indeed have been a property grab.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.


Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.


DP. Making Washers seem like victims to whom? Certainly not to this reader.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I wish The Post had done their homework on Washer because he has a long history of this kind of stuff, not to mention constantly trying to shill overpriced annuities to unsuspecting older clients.


Also this:

As Foster relates the story, Mike Washer once told a pair of Front Porch employees that trucks were on the way to tow customer cars parked in ICS spaces. The employees ignored him. “I don’t know if that irritated him or what, but he was like [to one employee], ‘I like you, but the faggots you work for, I can’t stand,’” Foster told The Post.

Asked whether the Washers are trying to remake The Plains into their image of America — White, conservative, Christian — Melissa said, “I can see where you’re coming from.”

This man has problems.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who moves next to a business, then tries to get the business's zoning changed so they don't have to deal with living next to it, is in the wrong. This is pretty egregious. And yes it says the owners are now selling the restaurant - may indeed have been a property grab.


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


x100000

The Front Page couple is better off far away from these lunatics. Wherever the Front Page couple moves, they will be happy - the Washers, not so much. The Washers will continue to be all hat, no cattle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:While there may be some politics to this story, the bigger issue is that these people decided to purchase next to a restaurant and then complain about what happens at a restaurant. They are simple a-holes.


Agreed. This Washer couple is so awful.


Husband in particular seems like a colossal *hole.


+1

Yeah, but you know his wife is harping on him day and night: "Larlo, DO something!!" LOL.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish The Post had done their homework on Washer because he has a long history of this kind of stuff, not to mention constantly trying to shill overpriced annuities to unsuspecting older clients.


Also this:

As Foster relates the story, Mike Washer once told a pair of Front Porch employees that trucks were on the way to tow customer cars parked in ICS spaces. The employees ignored him. “I don’t know if that irritated him or what, but he was like [to one employee], ‘I like you, but the faggots you work for, I can’t stand,’” Foster told The Post.

Asked whether the Washers are trying to remake The Plains into their image of America — White, conservative, Christian — Melissa said, “I can see where you’re coming from.”

This man has problems.


Washer denies making that statement. He apparently had no issues walking right past the Pride flag dozens of times and spending the equivalent of a year’s salary in the restaurant. The couple themselves said it’s unclear if the LGBT thing is the issue. Yet, the media is once again off to the races towards their preferred narrative. Which is their only narrative. The Post just can’t help themselves. It’s going to take a few more defamation lawsuits.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.


Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.


In what universe is that an objective statement?!?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.


Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.


In what universe is that an objective statement?!?


Unfortunately, Republicans have been creating narratives out of whole cloth to avoid having to grapple with facts for about 60 years now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.


Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.


In what universe is that an objective statement?!?


The post story is whipping up support.

Source: multiple Facebook groups and listservs I am a member of, where this topic has generated far more engagement than any topic in months and it’s all slanted toward washers, involving many new faces who haven’t engaged on the topic previously.

Those are the facts. Your opinion is me telling you that fact makes me a Republican, or something.
Anonymous
The Front Page couple should just lease out the space to another restauranteur if they don't want to deal with the headache of the Washers.

Don't give the Washers the satisfaction of a distressed sale. Make them live next to a restaurant.

PS - why the hell would the Washers even live in a commercial property? I'm sure they are playing all sorts of tax games.
Anonymous
Is it possible the restaurant attracted rats, and a restaurant worker tossed a dead rat onto the neighbors property as claimed? I mean, is it possible? Restaurant garbage can attract rats. If a neighbor was attracting a bunch of rats, I'd just move though.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live near The Plains and have been following this story for sometime.

I don’t think the motivation of the Washers is anti-gay bigotry, that just fuels their rage. I think they’re annoyed with living next to the restaurant that was there long before they moved in. But they’ve turned it into a quest to shut them down and are definitely motivated by culture issues.

However their primary motive now it appears (unclear if this has been it all along), and this belief has been expressed by people more in the know than me, is to make a restaurant (and possibly any other business needing a SUP) totally untenable in that location, drive down the purchase price, buy it, and then provide the property special access to parking, etc and re-apply for a new SUP, thereby instantly raising the property value.

As noted in the article, the family appears to be pretty fly-by-night con artists. They sling high priced annuities, seem to engage in tax fraud (thousands in business lunches for he and his wife??), and have political ambitions. Their son, running for county supervisor, comes across as incredibly fake and disingenuous. He’s fooled the redneck contingent out here that he’s one of them but he’s all hat and no cattle. He’s being led around like a show pony through the county by a contingent of far-right near fascist preppe/property right extremists who have been buying up a ton of property in recent years. The candidate himself bought a farm just recently to “run cattle” but it appears only for instageammable moments. It’s all very contrived. His handlers have a major agenda that have nothing to do with the “conservation” message he has the audacity to run on. They want to be able to have absolute property rights to do what they want on their property - whether it’s subdivide it into tiny lots or have a militia training camp. They’re scary people and Washer is their front man. He has a lot of the long-time conservative residents fooled that he represents their interests, has huge support from younger newer rednecks and the children who never got out of the area from big families out here. His opposition is mostly retirees who moved out here and blue bloods. It used to be that retiree/blue blood faction would carry that district but times have changed and Washer will likely win. Who knows what happens after that but he will undoubtedly use his political position for personal gain.

So, long story short: the gay stuff is relevant but as a subplot, not the main story. The washer family seems to be con artists. This is all about money and power in the county.

Oh, and The Plains is definitely rural… but the commute isn’t that bad.


Someone needs to tell the Post that the gay stuff is not the main story. The headlines, the pictures, paragraphs describing LGBTG activism. The Post is trying to create a narrative that’s not there. It’s as disgusting and bullying as how the Washers conduct themselves.


Correct. The post story has done nothing but whip up support for the Washers, now being seen as a target for the woke mob.


Speak for yourself. I don’t support them at all and if you are willing to support shady people just to stick it to the libs then you are just another MAGA lost in the wilderness. Dime a dozen.


Cool. You answered my objective statement (the post story is whipping up support and making washers seem like victims) with some weird subjective statement laced with ad hominem attacks… and that’s being very kind to your remarks, because they didn’t actually make much sense.


In what universe is that an objective statement?!?


The post story is whipping up support.

Source: multiple Facebook groups and listservs I am a member of, where this topic has generated far more engagement than any topic in months and it’s all slanted toward washers, involving many new faces who haven’t engaged on the topic previously.

Those are the facts. Your opinion is me telling you that fact makes me a Republican, or something.


BREAKING NEWS: Republican safely ensconced in echo chambers uses echo chambers as proof. Film at 11.
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