Making religious comments without thinking

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Anonymous wrote:Are all atheists insufferable or does DCUM attract an especially awful set?

Selection Bias.

Do you think atheists hang out in Religion forum?

This is a very good point. The "live and let live" atheists, and the atheists who are secure and happy with their choices, don't bother to spend their lives on a mom's religion forum.

Yes they should keep their beliefs to themselves so we can express ours without criticism.

Nope, and this seems to be your silly, go-to victimhood.

You’re absolutely welcome to express your beliefs where they’re relevant or even requested. Just don’t hijack threads to insert your beliefs where the OP is, say, specifically addressing people of faith.

well, that's not this thread because the OP specifically said: "Any other examples or ideas on how to handle it? Hope to hear from both religious and non-religious people."

Was obviously making a general point in response to your victimhood. Not talking specifically about this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Are all atheists insufferable or does DCUM attract an especially awful set?

Selection Bias.

Do you think atheists hang out in Religion forum?

This is a very good point. The "live and let live" atheists, and the atheists who are secure and happy with their choices, don't bother to spend their lives on a mom's religion forum.

Yes they should keep their beliefs to themselves so we can express ours without criticism.

Nope, and this seems to be your silly, go-to victimhood.

You’re absolutely welcome to express your beliefs where they’re relevant or even requested. Just don’t hijack threads to insert your beliefs where the OP is, say, specifically addressing people of faith.

well, that's not this thread because the OP specifically said: "Any other examples or ideas on how to handle it? Hope to hear from both religious and non-religious people."

Was obviously making a general point in response to your victimhood. Not talking specifically about this thread.

That’s off topic! Wahh wahhh wahhhhhh!

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

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Anonymous wrote:"What church do you go to?"
- "I don't"

"I'll pray for you."
- "Thanks"

I take "I'll pray for you" in the same sentiment as "I hope things go well", or similar.

Yes, that's what they mean - and someday soon I hope that is what they will say if they know you're not religious.

And I hope that you say "I hope things go well" and not "I'll pray for you"

Why is it offensive to you if someone else prays? Are you offended if people say they will medicate on your situation or think deeply about it? Prayer is meditation. I simply cannot see how that can give offense?

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Anonymous wrote:"What church do you go to?"
- "I don't"

"I'll pray for you."
- "Thanks"

I take "I'll pray for you" in the same sentiment as "I hope things go well", or similar.

Yes, that's what they mean - and someday soon I hope that is what they will say if they know you're not religious.

And I hope that you say "I hope things go well" and not "I'll pray for you"

Why is it offensive to you if someone else prays? Are you offended if people say they will medicate on your situation or think deeply about it? Prayer is meditation. I simply cannot see how that can give offense?

*meditate*

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Anonymous wrote:Even though we live in a secular democracy, our world is more prone to religious thinking than it is to secular thinking. In real-life small talk and in comments on message boards like this one, people often put things in a religious context, sometimes without realizing or intending it. For people who want to be more sensitive about this when in a non-religious setting, here are some comments to avoid:

- “What church do you go to?”

- “I’ll pray for you.”

And a recent response on this forum to a former Southern Baptist who became an atheist:

- “This is why crap religions piss me off. You shouldn’t be denied a relationship with the eternal energy.”

(pp either doesn’t know or doesn’t care that atheists don’t believe in an eternal energy and thus don’t think in terms of being denied it.)

- “God bless you.”

(Even atheists will say “God bless you” after someone sneezes. It’s automatic! They don’t realize they’ve said it until it’s out. It’s not meant religiously even among religious people. It’s just our way of acknowledging a sneeze. Maybe we could get used to the European focus on health -- “Salud” or “Gesundheit.”)

Any other examples or ideas on how to handle it? Hope to hear from both religious and non-religious people.

No American is, or can be forced to be a member of, or attend, or contribute to, or believe the teachings of, any church or religion.

However, America never has been a secular nation. The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society.

WTF?

America never has been a secular nation

This is as wrong as a fact can be. Our constitution has no mention of god or christ other than to say "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Meaning the USA is staying out of the religion business. This was not an accident or an oversight by our founding fathers. Stop wishcasting for your theocracy.

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OMG, People, go back to school. It was literally the place where those religiously oppressed in the rest of the world were encouraged to come so they could practice their religion in peace without threat from those in power. Here is one way U.S. children learn about it.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/gods-mosaic/#

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

You have got to be kidding
Familiar at all with the role of the church in Latin America? In the Philippines? How about the crusades. In fact, didn't Jesus instruct his disciples to go out and be fishers of men? I can look up the NT verse if you like.

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^ Just to add, what else would you call Paul's preaching to the gentiles but proselytizing?

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

Look, I despise Kavanaugh and Barrett and I'm not Catholic, but you need to go back to school and understand the difference between constitutional interpretation, which is biased towards Catholicism to be sure, and proselytizing.

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

Look, I despise Kavanaugh and Barrett and I'm not Catholic, but you need to go back to school and understand the difference between constitutional interpretation, which is biased towards Catholicism to be sure, and proselytizing.

I consider forcefully pushing your beliefs on others as proselytizing.

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

Look, I despise Kavanaugh and Barrett and I'm not Catholic, but you need to go back to school and understand the difference between constitutional interpretation, which is biased towards Catholicism to be sure, and proselytizing.

I consider forcefully pushing your beliefs on others as proselytizing.

No it isn't. I have to agree with the prior pp, that term doesn't really apply here. They aren't missionaries trying to get converts to join their Church.

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

Look, I despise Kavanaugh and Barrett and I'm not Catholic, but you need to go back to school and understand the difference between constitutional interpretation, which is biased towards Catholicism to be sure, and proselytizing.

I consider forcefully pushing your beliefs on others as proselytizing.

No it isn't. I have to agree with the prior pp, that term doesn't really apply here. They aren't missionaries trying to get converts to join their Church.

Using their power to push their beliefs on others against their will. There are parallels.

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

Look, I despise Kavanaugh and Barrett and I'm not Catholic, but you need to go back to school and understand the difference between constitutional interpretation, which is biased towards Catholicism to be sure, and proselytizing.

I consider forcefully pushing your beliefs on others as proselytizing.

No it isn't. I have to agree with the prior pp, that term doesn't really apply here. They aren't missionaries trying to get converts to join their Church.

Using their power to push their beliefs on others against their will. There are parallels.

well the losing side in a Supreme Court decision will always say that - but they have that power. It's in the Constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:The absence of an established state religion does not mean that a country is secular.

It does mean the country is secular. Maybe you're thinking of the people living in the country.

NP. The original poster said "secular nation," which can definitely mean "the people" not merely the state. PP also followed that up with:

"The majority of those who live in this country are, and have always been, religious.

Many Americans practice Christianity, their individual beliefs have influenced society"

The meaning was very clear that most Americans are Christians and thus Christian belief underlies a lot of Americans culture.

I don't believe this is true anymore -- maybe not since the 70s. American culture is driven by more by our belief in the "American way" and by consumerism. Christianity is way down the list, and with the younger people it's falling farther behind all the time.

The Christian Right has gained more influence since the 70's, but I hope you're correct about Christianity falling behind among young people. I think that goes for religion overall, in part because more kids these days are being raised without religion.

On a completely different note, I’m fascinated by the atheist who jumps on every single thread to inform us that Christianity is dying. Even Pew doesn’t say it’s away by 2070.

Wishful thinking? It does seem like some sorry of pathetic wishful thinking, as if repeating it on every single thread might make it zero out, which it won’t. Or maybe it’s unattractive gloating?

Lol. Yeah those pesky facts and that inconvenient data... truly baffling how people could find that germane to discussions here.

And you are right, that data has been posted in every single thread here in the religion forum! If, by "every single thread" you mean exactly one of the ones currently on the first page.

How can you be so dishonest?

No, “the decline and fall of Christianity” has been posted on lots of threads, including “I feel cut off from God” for sure and others I don’t have time to ferret out.

Who’s dishonest?

I don’t care, really. Just expressing astonishment that some atheist feels a need to keep posting it, or thinks it does any good.

They ignore the data that shows Christianity is growing worldwide. They ignore the data that says atheism is projected to decrease worldwide, as well.

Christianity is exploding in Africa and Asia.

Atheists are white males who don’t like kids, so of course it’s not a segment of society that will ever have a robust population.

Also- atheists get light headed and upset when they sneeze and someone politely says “bless you.” Not the most hardy people, it’s no surprise they are not growing and thriving in the world.

That has to be due to missionaries. I mean, it's not endemic to that area.
I will say that in some places like the Philippines, if you're born - you're a Catholic. So as the population grows the number of Catholics grows.

Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions. It makes sense they'd be the fastest growing. The busy-bodies should mind their own business. And maybe it's growing rapidly in Asia and Africa because Western Europe and the U.S. are seeing less and less need for it.

Catholicism is expressly anti-proselytizing. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/pope-francis-on-proselytism

Guess you aren’t familiar with the SCOTUS.

Look, I despise Kavanaugh and Barrett and I'm not Catholic, but you need to go back to school and understand the difference between constitutional interpretation, which is biased towards Catholicism to be sure, and proselytizing.

I consider forcefully pushing your beliefs on others as proselytizing.

No it isn't. I have to agree with the prior pp, that term doesn't really apply here. They aren't missionaries trying to get converts to join their Church.

Using their power to push their beliefs on others against their will. There are parallels.

well the losing side in a Supreme Court decision will always say that - but they have that power. It's in the Constitution.

This particular SCOTUS only has that power through lying and cheating. A fringe group of extremists are abusing their power to forcing their beliefs on the entire country against their will. Our system is broken. It wasn’t designed to protect against so much depravity.