Glad MCPS is getting sued

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+1

-2 It Sounds like they need to learn tolerance.

Yes, we need to learn to be tolerant of intolerance.

Let's be clear - the families in this lawsuit are asking to be notified about, and allowed to opt out of, books about the existence of LGBTQ people, based on the Maryland regulation related to instruction about Family Life and Human Sexuality. However, the books have nothing to do with instruction about Human Sexuality. So that leaves instruction about Family Life. Should this notification/opt-out apply to any and all books with family life? That would be something. Harold and the Purple Crayon would be ok (just Harold and his crayon), but Lilly's Purple Plastic Purse (parents, baby brother, grandmother) would require notification and opt-out. Or should it just apply to books with LGBTQ family life, because...?

Here are the books they believe they should be notified and be allowed to opt out of, on the basis of the regulation related to instruction about Family Life and Human Sexuality:

Pride Puppy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4
Uncle Bobby's Wedding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPOFq5EMNCs
My Rainbow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QloYbMBr8
Prince and Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWxkmzNFP5s
Love, Violet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NMNZcS0Y1k
Born Ready https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOC0UU56Io

[Anonymous]

Right. If they ever admit the church is vulnerable or those that make up the church might be at fault for hurting children, the whole house of cards comes falling down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

BINGO! If Halloween (or Christmas for that matter) has become offensive and we need to neutralize it to be inclusive of others' sensibilities and sensitivities, then some of the stuff being shoved in the name of LGBTQ curriculum also falls into the same boat.

Yes, it's very important that we be inclusive of the bigot community.

So people who do not agree with you are bigots? This makes you what?

Yes, it's true, I have bigoted opinions about bigots.

[Anonymous]

Oh, look. The daily wire dcurbanmom trolls have a new topic.

If some actual conservative views were being discussed there might be a debate, but this is pure scaremongering and click bait

[Anonymous]

And, I suspect, paid actors are arguing both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And, I suspect, paid actors are arguing both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, look. The daily wire dcurbanmom trolls have a new topic.

If some actual conservative views were being discussed there might be a debate, but this is pure scaremongering and click bait

This is an actual lawsuit. You can tell the lawyers you don't believe what they said in the lawsuit is "actual conservative views".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+1

-2 It Sounds like they need to learn tolerance.

Yes, we need to learn to be tolerant of intolerance.

Let's be clear - the families in this lawsuit are asking to be notified about, and allowed to opt out of, books about the existence of LGBTQ people, based on the Maryland regulation related to instruction about Family Life and Human Sexuality. However, the books have nothing to do with instruction about Human Sexuality. So that leaves instruction about Family Life. Should this notification/opt-out apply to any and all books with family life? That would be something. Harold and the Purple Crayon would be ok (just Harold and his crayon), but Lilly's Purple Plastic Purse (parents, baby brother, grandmother) would require notification and opt-out. Or should it just apply to books with LGBTQ family life, because...?

Here are the books they believe they should be notified and be allowed to opt out of, on the basis of the regulation related to instruction about Family Life and Human Sexuality:

Pride Puppy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4
Uncle Bobby's Wedding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPOFq5EMNCs
My Rainbow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QloYbMBr8
Prince and Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWxkmzNFP5s
Love, Violet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NMNZcS0Y1k
Born Ready https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOC0UU56Io

Agree others should be tolerant of our bigotry. I mean, they shouldn't normally, but because it's religion, bigotry is okay right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+1

-2 It Sounds like they need to learn tolerance.

I’ve said this from the very beginning. When mcps started taking out Christmas, Halloween, Valentine’s Day in favor of vague celebrations, you were setting yourself up for a slippery slope on other topics. Family life?!

What I feel mcps is saying is: we acknowledge your religious sensitivities on these topics, but we don’t acknowledge it on those topics. And because of that, they now have a lawsuit on their hands.

It’s not that I agree or disagree with these topics-
It’s irrelevant, but I do agree that these families have the right to opt out. Just like they opt out on family life and festivities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And, I suspect, paid actors are arguing both sides.

It's hard to get voters excited about policies that result in pillaging the earth or tax cuts for billionaires so need to throw people a bone with these divisive culture wars to get them on board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+1

-2 It Sounds like they need to learn tolerance.

Yes, we need to learn to be tolerant of intolerance.

Let's be clear - the families in this lawsuit are asking to be notified about, and allowed to opt out of, books about the existence of LGBTQ people, based on the Maryland regulation related to instruction about Family Life and Human Sexuality. However, the books have nothing to do with instruction about Human Sexuality. So that leaves instruction about Family Life. Should this notification/opt-out apply to any and all books with family life? That would be something. Harold and the Purple Crayon would be ok (just Harold and his crayon), but Lilly's Purple Plastic Purse (parents, baby brother, grandmother) would require notification and opt-out. Or should it just apply to books with LGBTQ family life, because...?

Here are the books they believe they should be notified and be allowed to opt out of, on the basis of the regulation related to instruction about Family Life and Human Sexuality:

Pride Puppy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4
Uncle Bobby's Wedding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPOFq5EMNCs
My Rainbow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QloYbMBr8
Prince and Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWxkmzNFP5s
Love, Violet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NMNZcS0Y1k
Born Ready https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOC0UU56Io

Agree others should be tolerant of our bigotry. I mean, they shouldn't normally, but because it's religion, bigotry is okay right?

Yes, others need to learn tolerance for our bigotry and intolerance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+1

-2 It Sounds like they need to learn tolerance.

I’ve said this from the very beginning. When mcps started taking out Christmas, Halloween, Valentine’s Day in favor of vague celebrations, you were setting yourself up for a slippery slope on other topics. Family life?!

What I feel mcps is saying is: we acknowledge your religious sensitivities on these topics, but we don’t acknowledge it on those topics. And because of that, they now have a lawsuit on their hands.

It’s not that I agree or disagree with these topics-
It’s irrelevant, but I do agree that these families have the right to opt out. Just like they opt out on family life and festivities.

I know! I had my kids opt out of Earth Science because they were teaching the world was round, and the Bible says it's flat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+1

-2 It Sounds like they need to learn tolerance.

I’ve said this from the very beginning. When mcps started taking out Christmas, Halloween, Valentine’s Day in favor of vague celebrations, you were setting yourself up for a slippery slope on other topics. Family life?!

What I feel mcps is saying is: we acknowledge your religious sensitivities on these topics [the in-school celebration of certain holidays], but we don’t acknowledge it on those topics [the everyday existence of certain people]. And because of that, they now have a lawsuit on their hands.

It’s not that I agree or disagree with these topics-
It’s irrelevant, but I do agree that these families have the right to opt out. Just like they opt out on family life and festivities.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

No, they shouldn’t.

+1. It may sound good but I don't want some yahoo deciding what their kids can and can't read. That affects my kids too. If they don't like these books, they can always opt out.

Obviously you are so much better informed than the "yahoos."
Try reading the article so you can keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some of these books are problematic and I can understand why parents want to opt-out. I think MCPS has a good chance of losing based on freedom of religion grounds.

My daughter was forced to read a Boy Named Penelope and we don't agree with the viewpoints expressed in that book. I think it's dangerous for MCPS to take a stance on gender theory. None of this stuff is settled and we are very much in the throes of a societal debate about it, so people acting like people who disagree are neanderthals are wrong. There's lots of room for shades of gray here, but the activists won't allow it.

I think they are opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students. The religious right doesn't get to decide for everyone any more and they are having a hissy fit about it.

Do you see the irony in your statement? Choosing books that are both highly controversial and offensive to many, many people (especially in elementary school) is not inclusive on its face. It is supporting a minority social agenda. Because the law requires children to attend school, and because it is administered by the government, there should be humility on the part of administrators and teachers about choosing curricula that everyone can get behind.