What can you tell me about St. Andrew's?

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Anonymous wrote:St Andrews is consistently top 3 in the UK for graduate prospectus and student satisfaction across multiple rankings. Bottom line: students are getting good outcomes and lauding their university experience.

It was listed as such over a year ago in one British newspaper to generate revenue. That is all. ST Andrews is rated #384 by USNWR (which has been the gold standard for rankings since the early 1980s) for global presence. You tried claiming this in the other ongoing thread about St Andrews but anyone on college admissions is going to laugh at you

On USNWR Dartmouth is ranked #320, Brown is ranked #153.. yet UC San Diego is ranked #21 and UNC is ranked #47...

The reason St Andrews is ranked highly on the UK rankings yet poorly on the global rankings is because global rankings place a larger emphasis on publications/graduate programs. St Andrews has very few postgraduates its main focus is undergraduate studies.

Or maybe the rankings services knows St. A has been bringing in American students since 1984 to keep it afloat. See wiki

How is that relevant? The irrational and illogical comments on this thread are diabolical

"Diabolical?" Weird choice of word. Are you super defensive for some reason? People are just stating well-known facts. The facts are relevant because St. Andrews has been marketing heavily in the US for decades. It has a dozen full-time recruiters in America. It locks onto the full-freight American because Scots attend free - so bringing in Americans is the only way to keep the place afloat ... and the reason why the Brits attending look down on the American students.

If you are fine with that, then apply, but be aware that St A does not offer services that US Universities do. Read extensively before sending a student who is needy of services, has ADHD or something requiring counseling and meds, or other health issues. Send only very mature students who are self-starters

There is no relation between a schools academic excellence/prestige and the amount of American students they recruit. Other International schools with a small graduate school presence also heavily recruit Americans. People on this thread suggest St Andrews is not a "good school" because they recruit Americans.

I agree St Andrews is only a good fit for very mature students who are self-starters.

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Anonymous wrote:… but be aware that St A does not offer services that US Universities do. Read extensively before sending a student who is needy of services, has ADHD or something requiring counseling and meds, or other health issues. Send only very mature students who are self-starters

This is *also* true of virtually every other UK university, including both Oxford and Cambridge. The whole UK university setup is fundamentally different from the US system, which is worth understanding thoroughly before applying to *any* UK university.

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Anonymous wrote:… but be aware that St A does not offer services that US Universities do. Read extensively before sending a student who is needy of services, has ADHD or something requiring counseling and meds, or other health issues. Send only very mature students who are self-starters

This is *also* true of virtually every other UK university, including both Oxford and Cambridge. The whole UK university setup is fundamentally different from the US system, which is worth understanding thoroughly before applying to *any* UK university.

You're right. But there are fresh efforts to address this. Many student unions have wellness centers and places to go to talk to professionals in case of mental health needs. There are also new centers for study help, both online and in person. I was struck by this because my kid is going to attend the university I went to, where none of this existed in my time at all. But as I say, it has changed and is developing.

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Anonymous wrote:… but be aware that St A does not offer services that US Universities do. Read extensively before sending a student who is needy of services, has ADHD or something requiring counseling and meds, or other health issues. Send only very mature students who are self-starters

This is *also* true of virtually every other UK university, including both Oxford and Cambridge. The whole UK university setup is fundamentally different from the US system, which is worth understanding thoroughly before applying to *any* UK university.

You're right. But there are fresh efforts to address this. Many student unions have wellness centers and places to go to talk to professionals in case of mental health needs. There are also new centers for study help, both online and in person. I was struck by this because my kid is going to attend the university I went to, where none of this existed in my time at all. But as I say, it has changed and is developing.

Emotional/Mental Health support also can vary by school, department, or discipline. A growing number of schools or departments in the UK will have a faculty member designated as Student Welfare Officer. That faculty member should know how to refer a student for help - including urgent help if student's situation is extreme.

In practice, different faculty members will have different levels of effectiveness at this. Also, it is an unpaid "additional duty" for the faculty member, and is not their main job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:… but be aware that St A does not offer services that US Universities do. Read extensively before sending a student who is needy of services, has ADHD or something requiring counseling and meds, or other health issues. Send only very mature students who are self-starters

This is *also* true of virtually every other UK university, including both Oxford and Cambridge. The whole UK university setup is fundamentally different from the US system, which is worth understanding thoroughly before applying to *any* UK university.

Fully agree. UK universities are a better fit for “normal”/mentally stable kids. If you are going to need extensive mental health intervention then the US is much better.

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DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

Sciences are considerably harder than the Arts at St Andrews

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

She didn't choose not to study at Oxford, Oxford didn't choose her to study with them.

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Anonymous wrote:St Andrews is consistently top 3 in the UK for graduate prospectus and student satisfaction across multiple rankings. Bottom line: students are getting good outcomes and lauding their university experience.

WHY are you resurrecting a year-old thread?

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

Sciences are considerably harder than the Arts at St Andrews

DD is a chemistry student, but I’m sure that’s true.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

She didn't choose not to study at Oxford, Oxford didn't choose her to study with them.

They did. She got into the program and rejected them. Good spin, though.

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👍 sure

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

She didn't choose not to study at Oxford, Oxford didn't choose her to study with them.

They did. She got into the program and rejected them. Good spin, though.

You can tell that to your friends and family as much as you like but no one is going to believe it. I don't believe you.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

She didn't choose not to study at Oxford, Oxford didn't choose her to study with them.

They did. She got into the program and rejected them. Good spin, though.

You can tell that to your friends and family as much as you like but no one is going to believe it. I don't believe you.

Strange for you to care at all.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is currently doing her study abroad for the year at St Andrews. Her home institution is a top LAC, and she finds the academics “a heavy step down” from what she’s used to. Otherwise, she adores it and says she’s loved the time she’s spent visiting friends across Europe. She said the location is excellent, but her home institute is remote, so it’s the vibe for her- why she chose not to study abroad at Oxford or UCL. She says the academic support is “so so” but at the level of most US colleges.

She didn't choose not to study at Oxford, Oxford didn't choose her to study with them.

They did. She got into the program and rejected them. Good spin, though.

You can tell that to your friends and family as much as you like but no one is going to believe it. I don't believe you.

This person is talking about study abroad. There’s like a 30-50% acceptance rate to Oxford study abroad. It really isn’t that difficult, and not interesting enough for you to continue bloviating about it.