Satanic Temple to offer abortion services in New Mexico

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Anonymous wrote:To give you an idea, this place in Chevy Chase will mail you abortion pills: https://info.carafem.org/schedule-today-dc?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6qo4HHSr0shRxWOuBkGThnyMndzOmvaGL09Tm0g4SFAN-pzUqVAYSBoCcjkQAvD_BwE

It's really common. It doesn't have to be part of a publicity stunt, membership drive, or donation grab.

-- the other pro-choice Christian again.


Not for long. Trump judge may make the pills illegal. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/abortion-pill-trump-judge-possible-ban-mifepristone


Is there a reason that a pro-abortion group couldn't sue in an extremely liberal district seeking the opposite ruling (and nationwide injunction). It seems like conservative groups are so much better at this


Tell me, what happens when local and state courts have contradictory decisions? Where do those cases end up for ultimate decisions, Hmmmm?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:To give you an idea, this place in Chevy Chase will mail you abortion pills: https://info.carafem.org/schedule-today-dc?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6qo4HHSr0shRxWOuBkGThnyMndzOmvaGL09Tm0g4SFAN-pzUqVAYSBoCcjkQAvD_BwE

It's really common. It doesn't have to be part of a publicity stunt, membership drive, or donation grab.

-- the other pro-choice Christian again.


Not for long. Trump judge may make the pills illegal. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/abortion-pill-trump-judge-possible-ban-mifepristone


Is there a reason that a pro-abortion group couldn't sue in an extremely liberal district seeking the opposite ruling (and nationwide injunction). It seems like conservative groups are so much better at this


Wouldn't the case ultimately end up at SCOTUS?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To give you an idea, this place in Chevy Chase will mail you abortion pills: https://info.carafem.org/schedule-today-dc?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6qo4HHSr0shRxWOuBkGThnyMndzOmvaGL09Tm0g4SFAN-pzUqVAYSBoCcjkQAvD_BwE

It's really common. It doesn't have to be part of a publicity stunt, membership drive, or donation grab.

-- the other pro-choice Christian again.


Not for long. Trump judge may make the pills illegal. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/abortion-pill-trump-judge-possible-ban-mifepristone


Is there a reason that a pro-abortion group couldn't sue in an extremely liberal district seeking the opposite ruling (and nationwide injunction). It seems like conservative groups are so much better at this


Wouldn't the case ultimately end up at SCOTUS?
Yes.
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Anonymous wrote:Why is this happening in New Mexico when abortion is not threatened there?


Presumably the pills are being mailed to women in oppressed states where their freedoms have been stolen by fascist religious fanatics who hate America and all that it stands for.


I'm pro-choice and as left as they come, but... you need some chill pills yourself.

Also, there are plenty of places that will mail you pills without requiring you to sign on to their tenets, and who aren't nakedly eliciting donations. Just do a quick google search.


No, I won’t chill out about creeping fascism in this country and the erosion of women’s rights.

And the satanism hook to all this is the satire intended to remind us that is a thing. That’s why this is brilliant.



I’m pro-choice too. If the satanic temple really cared about helping women, they wouldn’t take advantage of women’s fear and panic as a membership, recruitment tool. Or pile on gratuitous layers of mindf*** around supporting if not adopting atheism (the temple membership requirement), Alito’s mom, or pseudo-religious tenets and rituals.

If the ST actually cared about women, they’d just do what all the other women’s health groups do. Which is conduct a zoom health screening and then simply mail out the pills.

If you support the ST’s layers of mindf*** for desperate women, you’re part of the problem.


I do not believe for a moment that you are “pro-choice” and believe you are sick-puppeting, OP.


I’ve donated multiple times to Planned Parenthood. But hey, go with the ad hominems because you have nothing else. Also, ask the moderator if I’m sock puppetting.

You’re not an impressive human being….


Naw, you're just not believable. It's not worth my time to go pestering the moderating about something I know to be true.


You're a real piece of work. Please, ask the moderator.

While you're there, ask the moderator to confirm I posted these links where terrified young women can get abortion pills without having to deal with the mindf*** of having to join an atheist group run by an Arian anti-semite and then having to participate in their pseudo-religious 'rituals'.

@ 22:55. But here's another secular women's health group group, just one of many, that will mail out pills from Massachusetts to New Mexico, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Virginia without any requirement that you join: https://care.wholewomanshealth.com/abortion-clinic...ivvA9m-tcEgRO_VBoCHoYQAvD_BwE.

@ 23:00. This place in Chevy Chase will mail you abortion pills: https://info.carafem.org/schedule-today-dc?gclid=C...0g4SFAN-pzUqVAYSBoCcjkQAvD_BwE

If the ST actually cared about women, they’d just do what all these other women’s health groups do. Which is conduct a zoom health screening and then simply mail out the pills.

But hey, no surprise that a middle-aged, white, educated (although you don't always show it) woman living in the DMV--like you--would be incapable of understanding why the Satanic Temple is messing with terrified young immigrants in a way these other women's groups are not.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is this happening in New Mexico when abortion is not threatened there?


Presumably the pills are being mailed to women in oppressed states where their freedoms have been stolen by fascist religious fanatics who hate America and all that it stands for.


I'm pro-choice and as left as they come, but... you need some chill pills yourself.

Also, there are plenty of places that will mail you pills without requiring you to sign on to their tenets, and who aren't nakedly eliciting donations. Just do a quick google search.


No, I won’t chill out about creeping fascism in this country and the erosion of women’s rights.

And the satanism hook to all this is the satire intended to remind us that is a thing. That’s why this is brilliant.



I’m pro-choice too. If the satanic temple really cared about helping women, they wouldn’t take advantage of women’s fear and panic as a membership, recruitment tool. Or pile on gratuitous layers of mindf*** around supporting if not adopting atheism (the temple membership requirement), Alito’s mom, or pseudo-religious tenets and rituals.

If the ST actually cared about women, they’d just do what all the other women’s health groups do. Which is conduct a zoom health screening and then simply mail out the pills.

If you support the ST’s layers of mindf*** for desperate women, you’re part of the problem.


I do not believe for a moment that you are “pro-choice” and believe you are sick-puppeting, OP.


I’ve donated multiple times to Planned Parenthood. But hey, go with the ad hominems because you have nothing else. Also, ask the moderator if I’m sock puppetting.

You’re not an impressive human being….


Naw, you're just not believable. It's not worth my time to go pestering the moderating about something I know to be true.


You're a real piece of work. Please, ask the moderator.

While you're there, ask the moderator to confirm I posted these links where terrified young women can get abortion pills without having to deal with the mindf*** of having to join an atheist group run by an Arian anti-semite and then having to participate in their pseudo-religious 'rituals'.

@ 22:55. But here's another secular women's health group group, just one of many, that will mail out pills from Massachusetts to New Mexico, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Virginia without any requirement that you join: https://care.wholewomanshealth.com/abortion-clinic...ivvA9m-tcEgRO_VBoCHoYQAvD_BwE.

@ 23:00. This place in Chevy Chase will mail you abortion pills: https://info.carafem.org/schedule-today-dc?gclid=C...0g4SFAN-pzUqVAYSBoCcjkQAvD_BwE

If the ST actually cared about women, they’d just do what all these other women’s health groups do. Which is conduct a zoom health screening and then simply mail out the pills.

But hey, no surprise that a middle-aged, white, educated (although you don't always show it) woman living in the DMV--like you--would be incapable of understanding why the Satanic Temple is messing with terrified young immigrants in a way these other women's groups are not.


Except I am not a middle-age white woman in the DMV.
Anonymous
https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/

The head of the Satanic Temple is a name shifting, racist, anti-Semitic, eugenic supporting racist who has used the n word before publicly.

The Frontman: Douglas Misicko, better known as Lucien Greaves and Doug Mesner

He has several names, never a good sign.

https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=98aafea9-df67-416d-998d-46348a626005&fbclid=IwAR3uIHF8pl3sgLGCSsdJKyE9QJK3JpfH4j2H8DLhd1yYHuc_pPLFdPHIMtE

The head of the Satanic Temple is a white nationalist and admitted to it online.
Anonymous
Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special

Working transcript of the Might is Right 24-hour stream.
On Sept. 11, 2003, Doug Misicko, Shane Bugbee, and Shane's wife Amy Bugbee, also known as Amy Stocky, hosted a 24-hour Internet radio stream with guests and callers to mark the release of their new edition of Might Is Right by Arthur Desmond, then using the penname "Ragnar Redbeard".
Notable interviews included the founder of the neo-Nazi organization "White Aryan Resistance" Tom Metzger, white power musician and former front man of RaHoWa ("Racial Holy War") George Burdi, and Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore.

https://archive.org/details/MightIsRightSpecial

The Satanic Temple’s Lucien Greaves: “I’m an Aryan king!”

In 2018, audio surfaced of The Satanic Temple co-owner and co-founder Lucien Greaves engaging in a conversation of grotesque Jew-hatred.

CW: antisemitism

In lieu of closed captions, here is the transcript of that exchange, starting at “I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish, and they wear a stupid f#cking
frisbee on their head and walk around [thinking] they’re God’s chosen people.”

Greaves, whose real name is Doug Misicko, was then using a different pseudonym of “Doug Mesner”, and is the first person you hear in the clip. He was co-hosting a 24-hour Internet radio stream with his friend Shane Bugbee and Shane’s wife Amy Bugbee, the other primary two voices in that clip. The laughing person is a caller, one Gerod Staaf.

https://queersatanic.tumblr.com/post/665883990002122752/the-satanic-temples-lucien-greaves-im-an-aryan/amp

Anonymous
You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]


DP. Curious what the Satanic Temple stans have to say about all of this. It’s come up before. The other day when this pp posted similar cites on another thread, one of the ST fangirls apparently got it removed, maybe as “off topic.” But it’s germane to this thread and hard to ignore. Is there any defense?
Anonymous
Claims that he attended Harvard University are unclear, as he does not appear in the Harvard University alumni directory, either under the name "Douglas Mesner" or under "Lucien Greaves".

Anonymous
Even the devil can quote scripture
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Anonymous wrote:Samuel Alito’s Mom

Providing accessible medical care to women is important. Glad they are stepping up.



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It’s juvenile. This is a graphic from the site. This is part of the reason most people don’t take them seriously. Depicting a passed on Mrs. Alito wishing she could have had an abortion is weird and disrespectful.


You know what else is weird and disrespectful? Getting between a woman and her doctor and interfering with her private medical business.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You would not know it from that apology, but here are some other things Greaves said publicly in the space of 24 hours when he was trying to be heard by as many people as possible promoting a book with that sort of stuff in it:

“In many cases, abortion should be mandatory.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do believe that that type of person should not be allowed to breed.” [Original] [Mirror]
“You got n—-r sodomites on call.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I don’t wanna have a kid if it’s gonna be a r-t-rd or anything like that.” [Original] [Mirror]
“I do envision a better world but a better world has to come with some less people in it. Some particular type people.” [Original] [Mirror]
“Well, [Jews] are a distinct phenotype.” [Original][Mirror]
“I think there should be eugenics policy, population control policy, something that ensures quality reproduction.” [Original][Mirror]


So your stance would be that if a religious institution is harboring people with harmful beliefs or who do terrible things, we should reject that whole institution, then?

Just checking.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Samuel Alito’s Mom

Providing accessible medical care to women is important. Glad they are stepping up.



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It’s juvenile. This is a graphic from the site. This is part of the reason most people don’t take them seriously. Depicting a passed on Mrs. Alito wishing she could have had an abortion is weird and disrespectful.


You know what else is weird and disrespectful? Getting between a woman and her doctor and interfering with her private medical business.


But it isn’t “interfering” to force them to join an atheist group run by an Aryan, eugenics-supporting anti-Semite, and then to participate in pseudo-religious rituals? Just checking.

A woman could get the same pills without all this garbage from one of the secular women’s groups linked to above.
Anonymous
Lucien Greaves/ Doug Misicko/Doug Mesner admitted in court to taking money donated for “abortion rights” and using it for rent and personal expenses. He also admitted the the co-founder of The Satanic Temple, Malcolm Jarry, uses the donated money for personal expenses also. But nobody (not the Satanic Temple, not a bookeeper or accountant, keeps track of that money or it’s use.

Malcolm Jarry’s real name is Cevin Soling.

Lucien/Doug says he doesn’t keep track of the amount of funds donated for abortion advocacy he spends on himself, or the amounts Malcolm/ Cevin spends on himself.

Worth keeping in mind: if we were describing Christian televangelists or crisis pregnancy centers this way, these same people defending The Satanic Temple with “nothing to see here” would not be nearly so charitable waving off the red flags of a church-business-nonprofit.
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