Petition to bring back SROs

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

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The trolls are strong in this thread!

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Anonymous wrote:The trolls are strong in this thread!

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I was going to take the time to write something logical and backed by evidence, but it just isn’t worth it. The anti-SRO poster(s) will just derail any attempt at a reasoned discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

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Anonymous wrote:Can we start one?

Ridiculous how many serious incidents we've had in MCPS this past few weeks alone.

I've never started a petition. Would MCPS/BOE/Elrich even care?

Nope. The BOE / Elrich only care about pushing their 'progressive' agenda. That is also what voters want. SROs are not a part of that agenda, so it won't happen.

It’s not like SROs are good for anything, though.

All cops are bastards anyway.

You are such a smart one.

I am, actually. SROs are worthless. Parkland is a case in point. Cops, by and large, are dumb AF. The profession doesn’t attract the best and brightest and the training is abysmal. We don’t need these people around our children.

You clearly know very little about police or SRO training, especially in Montgomery County. Your post simply reads as angry and uninformed.

I’ve worked with SROs. They have been professional, responsible, and critical members of our school community. They fill a role I cannot and WILL not fill. It is not my responsibility as a teacher to break up fights, get weapons off my students, etc. I’ve witnessed more fights and weapons than I care to count. When we had SROs, this was handled by them. When we didn’t, I had to do it and I’ve had zero training. Zero.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

Do you work on a school, or have children in a school?

I work in a school. I have children. I want SROs from both a teacher AND a parent standpoint. You are trying to negate the good work SROs do simply to prove some point. The very real truth is SROs have performed FAR more positive services for our schools than get published. I should know, because I’ve seen it.

I can’t understand why a few posters want to deny schools this support. If you haven’t been in a school lately, you really have no idea what we are dealing with. To deny support because “I don’t like them” is to deny students an additional resource at a time in which we are in critical, critical need. Frankly, it’s a selfish viewpoint, and one that does real harm to our students.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

Do you work on a school, or have children in a school?

I work in a school. I have children. I want SROs from both a teacher AND a parent standpoint. You are trying to negate the good work SROs do simply to prove some point. The very real truth is SROs have performed FAR more positive services for our schools than get published. I should know, because I’ve seen it.

I can’t understand why a few posters want to deny schools this support. If you haven’t been in a school lately, you really have no idea what we are dealing with. To deny support because “I don’t like them” is to deny students an additional resource at a time in which we are in critical, critical need. Frankly, it’s a selfish viewpoint, and one that does real harm to our students.

Yes I have children in school.
I never said "I don't like them" (and those that have not supported SROs have generally given reasons much beyond that.)
One can think that schools need a lot more support and resources without believing that SROs are the right solution to that problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

Do you work on a school, or have children in a school?

I work in a school. I have children. I want SROs from both a teacher AND a parent standpoint. You are trying to negate the good work SROs do simply to prove some point. The very real truth is SROs have performed FAR more positive services for our schools than get published. I should know, because I’ve seen it.

I can’t understand why a few posters want to deny schools this support. If you haven’t been in a school lately, you really have no idea what we are dealing with. To deny support because “I don’t like them” is to deny students an additional resource at a time in which we are in critical, critical need. Frankly, it’s a selfish viewpoint, and one that does real harm to our students.

Yes I have children in school.
I never said "I don't like them" (and those that have not supported SROs have generally given reasons much beyond that.)
One can think that schools need a lot more support and resources without believing that SROs are the right solution to that problem.

SROs are ONE solution, and they work remarkably well when you place them with other supports (teachers, admin, counselors, etc.)

Nobody is suggesting they are the ONLY solution. Also, some people (including me) have posted reports and anecdotes that show their positive effects on a school environment.

Again: why would we take away a necessary support at this critical time?

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

Do you work on a school, or have children in a school?

I work in a school. I have children. I want SROs from both a teacher AND a parent standpoint. You are trying to negate the good work SROs do simply to prove some point. The very real truth is SROs have performed FAR more positive services for our schools than get published. I should know, because I’ve seen it.

I can’t understand why a few posters want to deny schools this support. If you haven’t been in a school lately, you really have no idea what we are dealing with. To deny support because “I don’t like them” is to deny students an additional resource at a time in which we are in critical, critical need. Frankly, it’s a selfish viewpoint, and one that does real harm to our students.

Yes I have children in school.
I never said "I don't like them" (and those that have not supported SROs have generally given reasons much beyond that.)
One can think that schools need a lot more support and resources without believing that SROs are the right solution to that problem.

SROs are ONE solution, and they work remarkably well when you place them with other supports (teachers, admin, counselors, etc.)

Nobody is suggesting they are the ONLY solution. Also, some people (including me) have posted reports and anecdotes that show their positive effects on a school environment.

Again: why would we take away a necessary support at this critical time?

Actually, they work remarkably poorly. All the data on this suggests they rarely if ever help and more often put kids in harms way.

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Anonymous wrote:The trolls are strong in this thread!

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I was going to take the time to write something logical and backed by evidence, but it just isn’t worth it. The anti-SRO poster(s) will just derail any attempt at a reasoned discussion.

You can’t write something logical that is pro-SRO because nothing logical is pro-SRO.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

Do you work on a school, or have children in a school?

I work in a school. I have children. I want SROs from both a teacher AND a parent standpoint. You are trying to negate the good work SROs do simply to prove some point. The very real truth is SROs have performed FAR more positive services for our schools than get published. I should know, because I’ve seen it.

I can’t understand why a few posters want to deny schools this support. If you haven’t been in a school lately, you really have no idea what we are dealing with. To deny support because “I don’t like them” is to deny students an additional resource at a time in which we are in critical, critical need. Frankly, it’s a selfish viewpoint, and one that does real harm to our students.

Yes I have children in school.
I never said "I don't like them" (and those that have not supported SROs have generally given reasons much beyond that.)
One can think that schools need a lot more support and resources without believing that SROs are the right solution to that problem.

SROs are ONE solution, and they work remarkably well when you place them with other supports (teachers, admin, counselors, etc.)

Nobody is suggesting they are the ONLY solution. Also, some people (including me) have posted reports and anecdotes that show their positive effects on a school environment.

Again: why would we take away a necessary support at this critical time?

Actually, they work remarkably poorly. All the data on this suggests they rarely if ever help and more often put kids in harms way.

Please point to “all the data.” I suspect I’ll be waiting a while.

So much that an SRO does during the course of a day doesn’t get reported. Those of us with actual experience know that, and the examples still live in our minds. That’s the problem when you do WELL in a system; it gets no acknowledgment. We’re happy to jump on people when they mess up, though. And had MCPD SROs messed up when the county pulled them? Not at all. That was a short-sighted reaction by politicians who know absolutely nothing about schools. This thread is filled with misconceptions and cherry-picked data, none of which is Montgomery-county specific. That’s exactly what our politicians lazily listened to.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

All of this^^^^

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

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More RWNJ propaganda

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I was going to take the time to write something logical and backed by evidence, but it just isn’t worth it. The anti-SRO poster(s) will just derail any attempt at a reasoned discussion.

You can’t write something logical that is pro-SRO because nothing logical is pro-SRO.

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We had amazing SROs but they don’t belong in schools.