MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS looked into this several years back and ended up adjusting times by 20 minutes. (HS used to start at 7:25 am!)

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/belltimes/index.aspx

We spent tons of $ and time to move the school day 20 minutes a number of years ago. Not worth the effort to have them adjust the schedule 10 minutes more. Central office is really opposed to significantly changing the start time for high school. Supposedly it will hurt brown people. My kids were at a majority brown school and none of those parents seemed to care, but, central office apparently has the pulse of the people!

Some HS students need to leave school early enough to get to a job or to pick up their younger sibling from elementary school.

And all HS students need to get enough sleep - that t should trump the need of some HS students to end the day early.

Sure. Let's not think of the many many students who have actual obligations and responsibilities to help their families. Your kid may not have those but if you look beyond your bubble, you might be able to see that. No one is taking away the HS students' sleep. That's on them if they're choosing to go to bed at midnight. My high schooler is in bed by 10 pm and is awake by 6:15 am. How do you think the HS swim team does it? My niece has to be at the aquatics center, where they have their practices by 4:30 in the morning. I mean, we're not asking these kids to do anything out of the ordinary. Most of the working adults I know go to bed by a decent time to wake up in time for work.

Who the hell cares if your niece has to get up at 4:30 for swim. That has nothing to do with school and not obligatory.

Are you dense? It's for her High School swim team so yes, it's with the school. Seriously, the majority of students are doing what they need to do to get a decent amount of sleep and still make it to school on time.

[Anonymous]

Before phones existed and parents would not let their kids be on the phone after 8pm, kids seem to get to bed earlier.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fine. They adjust.

No the don’t. Their circadian clock doesn’t adjust.

Its funny how the need to be at a job just a few years later makes it ok.

How many people have to be at work at 7:45 AM 5 days a week?

Many many people. By 7, 90% of my office is there

Are they required to be there that early, or do they choose to be there? And again, do you work in an office with all teenagers?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fine. They adjust.

No the don’t. Their circadian clock doesn’t adjust.

Its funny how the need to be at a job just a few years later makes it ok.

How many people have to be at work at 7:45 AM 5 days a week?

Many many people. By 7, 90% of my office is there

Are they required to be there that early, or do they choose to be there? And again, do you work in an office with all teenagers?

DP here. Most adults have to wake up early to do all the things that they need to do to be at the office by 9 or 8:30 am. I work remote most days and I'm in front of my computer by 8. I wake up at 6 am, just like my HS student.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fine. They adjust.

No the don’t. Their circadian clock doesn’t adjust.

Its funny how the need to be at a job just a few years later makes it ok.

How many people have to be at work at 7:45 AM 5 days a week?

Many many people. By 7, 90% of my office is there

Are they required to be there that early, or do they choose to be there? And again, do you work in an office with all teenagers?

DP here. Most adults have to wake up early to do all the things that they need to do to be at the office by 9 or 8:30 am. I work remote most days and I'm in front of my computer by 8. I wake up at 6 am, just like my HS student.

Yes, and the point is that teens have different needs than adults. I'm a middle-aged woman who is up by 5:30 am because that's how my body clock works. I would never presume to say that my teens should also be up at that time.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fine. They adjust.

No the don’t. Their circadian clock doesn’t adjust.

Its funny how the need to be at a job just a few years later makes it ok.

How many people have to be at work at 7:45 AM 5 days a week?

Many many people. By 7, 90% of my office is there

Are they required to be there that early, or do they choose to be there? And again, do you work in an office with all teenagers?

DP here. Most adults have to wake up early to do all the things that they need to do to be at the office by 9 or 8:30 am. I work remote most days and I'm in front of my computer by 8. I wake up at 6 am, just like my HS student.

Yes, and the point is that teens have different needs than adults. I'm a middle-aged woman who is up by 5:30 am because that's how my body clock works. I would never presume to say that my teens should also be up at that time.

I think we can agree that even amongst teens, there are variations on their sleep needs. THere isn't a specific school time that will cater to all those needs so they do what they have to do to get the amount of sleep they need. The best way to do this is to adjust the time one goes to bed accordingly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS looked into this several years back and ended up adjusting times by 20 minutes. (HS used to start at 7:25 am!)

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/belltimes/index.aspx

We spent tons of $ and time to move the school day 20 minutes a number of years ago. Not worth the effort to have them adjust the schedule 10 minutes more. Central office is really opposed to significantly changing the start time for high school. Supposedly it will hurt brown people. My kids were at a majority brown school and none of those parents seemed to care, but, central office apparently has the pulse of the people!

Some HS students need to leave school early enough to get to a job or to pick up their younger sibling from elementary school.

And all HS students need to get enough sleep - that t should trump the need of some HS students to end the day early.

Not if you have to be at work from 3-7 PM every schoolday to help your parents make ends meet. BTDT as an 12-17 year old. Anxiety over food, shelter, and clothing will keep you from getting that extra 90 minutes of sleep.

The kid has to work excuse is nonsense.

Nonsense for you because YOU can't see that some students have to work to make sure that their family can afford to pay rent and the groceries for the month. Sheesh. Wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fine. They adjust.

No the don’t. Their circadian clock doesn’t adjust.

Its funny how the need to be at a job just a few years later makes it ok.

How many people have to be at work at 7:45 AM 5 days a week?

Many many people. By 7, 90% of my office is there

Are they required to be there that early, or do they choose to be there? And again, do you work in an office with all teenagers?

DP here. Most adults have to wake up early to do all the things that they need to do to be at the office by 9 or 8:30 am. I work remote most days and I'm in front of my computer by 8. I wake up at 6 am, just like my HS student.

Yes, and the point is that teens have different needs than adults. I'm a middle-aged woman who is up by 5:30 am because that's how my body clock works. I would never presume to say that my teens should also be up at that time.

I think we can agree that even amongst teens, there are variations on their sleep needs. THere isn't a specific school time that will cater to all those needs so they do what they have to do to get the amount of sleep they need. The best way to do this is to adjust the time one goes to bed accordingly.

One solution might be to run high school classes from 6 AM to 9 PM and allow students to register for classes when they want/need to attend. My kids have always been early birds, like DH and me. I used to think it was just good parenting (because my XH was a night owl), but we adopted a teen relative of DH who also is an early bird and has a night owl biomom who never enforced bedtimes. Obviously biology is important to some degree. My bio kids got my early bird gene which has been a good match for us both for the most part. It can be challenging sometimes. If I want to have peace and quiet before I leave for work (around 7), I have to get up at 4:45. By 5:30, my teens are up and our home is bustling. But it’s also terrible when we have to be out late for some reason and everyone is crabby.

My kids would take 6 AM classes, based on what I’ve seen them do with exercise and self-paced coursework. DS would probably go straight through and then do art until dinner time if we let him. DD has autism and would love to have a real break between classes to recharge her social battery. I could see her taking classes 6-10 and then a break until 1 PM.

[Anonymous]

Not this again. We've already been over this again and again. The county has done it's best to resolve this. There is no better solution short of a massive tax hike to pay for more buses and drivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Before phones existed and parents would not let their kids be on the phone after 8pm, kids seem to get to bed earlier.

Yes, but many parents today think it's the county's job to parent for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Before phones existed and parents would not let their kids be on the phone after 8pm, kids seem to get to bed earlier.

Yes, but many parents today think it's the county's job to parent for them.

+ and it must fit parents' schedule.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s fine. They adjust.

No the don’t. Their circadian clock doesn’t adjust.

Its funny how the need to be at a job just a few years later makes it ok.

How many people have to be at work at 7:45 AM 5 days a week?

Many many people. By 7, 90% of my office is there

Are they required to be there that early, or do they choose to be there? And again, do you work in an office with all teenagers?

DP here. Most adults have to wake up early to do all the things that they need to do to be at the office by 9 or 8:30 am. I work remote most days and I'm in front of my computer by 8. I wake up at 6 am, just like my HS student.

Yes, and the point is that teens have different needs than adults. I'm a middle-aged woman who is up by 5:30 am because that's how my body clock works. I would never presume to say that my teens should also be up at that time.

I think we can agree that even amongst teens, there are variations on their sleep needs. THere isn't a specific school time that will cater to all those needs so they do what they have to do to get the amount of sleep they need. The best way to do this is to adjust the time one goes to bed accordingly.

One solution might be to run high school classes from 6 AM to 9 PM and allow students to register for classes when they want/need to attend. My kids have always been early birds, like DH and me. I used to think it was just good parenting (because my XH was a night owl), but we adopted a teen relative of DH who also is an early bird and has a night owl biomom who never enforced bedtimes. Obviously biology is important to some degree. My bio kids got my early bird gene which has been a good match for us both for the most part. It can be challenging sometimes. If I want to have peace and quiet before I leave for work (around 7), I have to get up at 4:45. By 5:30, my teens are up and our home is bustling. But it’s also terrible when we have to be out late for some reason and everyone is crabby.

My kids would take 6 AM classes, based on what I’ve seen them do with exercise and self-paced coursework. DS would probably go straight through and then do art until dinner time if we let him. DD has autism and would love to have a real break between classes to recharge her social battery. I could see her taking classes 6-10 and then a break until 1 PM.

How do you propose MCPS staff this fairy tale?

[Anonymous]

Lots of school districts nationwide have implemented this policy. I'd love to see data on whether it actually makes a different in achievement and test scores. My bet is that with a later school start time kids are just staying up an hour or two later on devices.

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Anonymous wrote:Before phones existed and parents would not let their kids be on the phone after 8pm, kids seem to get to bed earlier.

Before phones existed, parents didn’t have rules about what time kids used the phone.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of school districts nationwide have implemented this policy. I'd love to see data on whether it actually makes a different in achievement and test scores. My bet is that with a later school start time kids are just staying up an hour or two later on devices.

I'd be more interested in measures of health and well-being, myself.