Another perspective on “prepping” from a lower income mom

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Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Right, different poster.

My child never took cogat or studied any cogat materials. I do think doing that is a waste of time past getting familiar with the format but everyone is free to do what they want.

It’s just annoying when you accuse a single mom of cheating, just because you think your child is owed a spot in the program. The waters are not muddied. I guarantee you that prepping your child for a month won’t result in a significantly different score than what he got last time.

Next you’re going to say people artificially raise their scores and grades through studying to muddy the waters ever further.

[Anonymous]

Math has been made so complicated in America that now parents spend thousands to get back to basic math.

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Anonymous wrote:Math has been made so complicated in America that now parents spend thousands to get back to basic math.

Those dumb American parents! Spending their own money on whatever they want!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

Yep, these are the parents that scream bloody murder if the poor mom dares to buy a book for her kids. Mind you, they prep their own to the wazoo, but that’s how far the kid can go, he’s still average. Nothing wrong with being average, but that’s not the outcome mommy wanted because she really needed the kid to qualify for some gifted program as proof she should get the mom of the year award. So there’s a lot of accumulated frustration and the only thing left to do is to blame the process. It’s muddied, cheating is rampant, only the tests that favor her kid should be considered, nobody should prep (although her kids did, but it didn’t work so she wants a redo!)

The hilarious part is that all her grind is for nothing, and it doesn’t really help anyone. In reality she’s an overbearing mom pushing her children in her preconceived mold, teachers hate they get contacted every time the kid didn’t get the highest grade, she can’t have friends because their kids accomplishments are taken as a personal affront, her spouse checked out a while ago after being ignored for years.

For the outside observer, watching it from afar is really entertaining!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

Yep, these are the parents that scream bloody murder if the poor mom dares to buy a book for her kids. Mind you, they prep their own to the wazoo, but that’s how far the kid can go, he’s still average. Nothing wrong with being average, but that’s not the outcome mommy wanted because she really needed the kid to qualify for some gifted program as proof she should get the mom of the year award. So there’s a lot of accumulated frustration and the only thing left to do is to blame the process. It’s muddied, cheating is rampant, only the tests that favor her kid should be considered, nobody should prep (although her kids did, but it didn’t work so she wants a redo!)

The hilarious part is that all her grind is for nothing, and it doesn’t really help anyone. In reality she’s an overbearing mom pushing her children in her preconceived mold, teachers hate they get contacted every time the kid didn’t get the highest grade, she can’t have friends because their kids accomplishments are taken as a personal affront, her spouse checked out a while ago after being ignored for years.

For the outside observer, watching it from afar is really entertaining!

You sound unhinged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

Yep, these are the parents that scream bloody murder if the poor mom dares to buy a book for her kids. Mind you, they prep their own to the wazoo, but that’s how far the kid can go, he’s still average. Nothing wrong with being average, but that’s not the outcome mommy wanted because she really needed the kid to qualify for some gifted program as proof she should get the mom of the year award. So there’s a lot of accumulated frustration and the only thing left to do is to blame the process. It’s muddied, cheating is rampant, only the tests that favor her kid should be considered, nobody should prep (although her kids did, but it didn’t work so she wants a redo!)

The hilarious part is that all her grind is for nothing, and it doesn’t really help anyone. In reality she’s an overbearing mom pushing her children in her preconceived mold, teachers hate they get contacted every time the kid didn’t get the highest grade, she can’t have friends because their kids accomplishments are taken as a personal affront, her spouse checked out a while ago after being ignored for years.

For the outside observer, watching it from afar is really entertaining!

You're very knowledgeable about this fantasy family that you have created.

Are they characters in your screen play? Or are you a published author? I'll buy your book, should be entertaining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

Yep, these are the parents that scream bloody murder if the poor mom dares to buy a book for her kids. Mind you, they prep their own to the wazoo, but that’s how far the kid can go, he’s still average. Nothing wrong with being average, but that’s not the outcome mommy wanted because she really needed the kid to qualify for some gifted program as proof she should get the mom of the year award. So there’s a lot of accumulated frustration and the only thing left to do is to blame the process. It’s muddied, cheating is rampant, only the tests that favor her kid should be considered, nobody should prep (although her kids did, but it didn’t work so she wants a redo!)

The hilarious part is that all her grind is for nothing, and it doesn’t really help anyone. In reality she’s an overbearing mom pushing her children in her preconceived mold, teachers hate they get contacted every time the kid didn’t get the highest grade, she can’t have friends because their kids accomplishments are taken as a personal affront, her spouse checked out a while ago after being ignored for years.

For the outside observer, watching it from afar is really entertaining!

You're very knowledgeable about this fantasy family that you have created.

Are they characters in your screen play? Or are you a published author? I'll buy your book, should be entertaining.

You’re my inspiration, thank you!

The book will be out soon, look for it on Amazon and in fine book stores. You’re right that it is quite entertaining!

It’s called “Karen’s adventures as a room parent”. Ill give you a signed free copy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

Yes, but over 90% of the kids who get in prepped for years. IF you don't believe me just go to a prep center some weekend and look at how many kids are there. There's good reason there are so many prep options here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

Yes, but over 90% of the kids who get in prepped for years. IF you don't believe me just go to a prep center some weekend and look at how many kids are there. There's good reason there are so many prep options here.

Is it prepping or families pursuing educational opportunities outside regular school?

You’ll be happier focusing less on what others do.

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Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

DP. Many 98th percentile+ kids get in without breaking a sweat. But some don't, which makes people with gifted kids worried that their kid may not get a random rejection or may have an off day on the testing day. So, they may prep to nudge that score a little higher. For the kids in the 85th-95th percentile band, the kids who get accepted are indistinguishable from the ones who don't get in, and getting accepted is kind of a crapshoot. It's understandable that parents want to do whatever they can to have their child on the AAP side of that fairly arbitrary line when their child is every bit as capable as many of the kids who get accepted into AAP and when the program takes nearly 20% of the FCPS population.

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Anonymous wrote:Guidance on retesting:

https://support.pearson.com/usclinical/s/article/Clinical-Customer-Support-Test-Retest-Minimum-Time-Advice

Note that prepping is not taking the test over and over to exhaust the bank of questions. Prepping is taking “like” tests based on the interpretation of a third party on what concepts and format are relevant.

Right. This applies to enrolling at testing sites that “prep” AND going through practice tests w/ parents to understand why the right answer is correct and learning to apply that concept to other similar questions. It’s not how their brain actually interprets the question to arrive at the answer un-coached. That’s what this test is intended to show.

So now you’re an expert on how brain interprets questions!

No, I have a basic understanding of how aptitude tests work, which quite a number of you are clearly lacking.

It’s very basic, that’s for sure!

Although you claim to know how brain interprets questions, the intent of the test, the retesting validity and so on. I’m wondering what your credentials are that make your expertise so relevant.

Prepping does increase the scores, some of it from being familiar with the format, some from actually having a better understanding of the concept through learning. None constitute cheating. Take for example sorting based on a characteristic, you seem to be fine if this is learned at home using legos, but it’s a big no-no if the student explores sorting through a paid third party service that may be designed to match typical wisc sorting questions.

You are free to cheat as much as your conscience allows. There's no honor system for the Cogat test. Which is why FCPS ignores high scores.

I don't plan to take a cogat test any time soon. Feel free to justify for yourself that any high score is the direct result of cheating, because, of course, that's the only way anyone can score higher than your child.

I’m a different poster. Stop being obtuse. You prepped your kid for the test bc you knew it would artificially raise their score, which is the boost you clearly felt they needed to get in, otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. I didn’t prep my kid bc I knew they didn’t need to cheat to get in. I also don’t know or care what anyone else’s kid scored compared to mine. I do care that ppl are muddying the entire selection process by artificially raising scores through prep.

Also a new poster, but I think most people do it because they know 90% of the other parents are so it's the only way their kid will have a fair shake.

It’s not the only way for 90% of the kids to get a fair shot. It’s mostly the average kids with pushy parents that have difficulty qualifying. My estimate is the bottom quartile of the pool with parents chasing status and validation.

Many deserving kids get in without breaking a sweat. The true 95 percentile kid will get in with minimal effort, the 80-85 percentile kid will need to be dragged across the finish line through prepping, appeals, recommendations etc.

DP. Many 98th percentile+ kids get in without breaking a sweat. But some don't, which makes people with gifted kids worried that their kid may not get a random rejection or may have an off day on the testing day. So, they may prep to nudge that score a little higher. For the kids in the 85th-95th percentile band, the kids who get accepted are indistinguishable from the ones who don't get in, and getting accepted is kind of a crapshoot. It's understandable that parents want to do whatever they can to have their child on the AAP side of that fairly arbitrary line when their child is every bit as capable as many of the kids who get accepted into AAP and when the program takes nearly 20% of the FCPS population.

I think that's why the vast majority spend tens of thousands on prep these days. Most just aren't up to the task and it changes the playing field so that even kids that are naturally 95%+ can't compete without it.

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Anonymous wrote:Prepping in itself is not cheating, only if it is for tests such as CoGAT because, in theory and for the results to be truly valid, the child should not have seem, work on it for at least the last year.

That said, since everyone else (or the majority) are cheating, by cheating yourself (by prepping your child), you are just leveling the playing field.

Fwiw, this isn't true. And you may be harming your DC if they are admitted to AAP and struggle. Unfortunately, a number of kids struggle, although you won't hear about it on this board.

I am a different poster and made my kid prep to get into higher level math in our district. He did struggle the first year and I helped him. I was ready to move him down but he was fine on his end of year tests. He struggles much less this year if at all, and requires much less help from me. I fully expect him to be totally fine next year in geometry (he is now in Algebra 1).
He will then take some relatively easy class as a HS freshman and boost his confidence without adding too much struggle to an already challenging first year of HS.
Sometimes it’s good to push your kid a little

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It's simple:

When whites do it - it is an enrichment activity

When Asians do it - it is prepping, gaming the system and cheating

even though most Asians tend to be lower to middle class and thus engage in studying with books and going to after school class full of other students while whites engage in more expensive/intense 1 to 1 private tutoring for specific subjects as well as for other specific tests such as SAT, AP etc.