Another perspective on “prepping” from a lower income mom

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People are overstating the role of test scores in AAP acceptance. The equity report showed that GBRS is much more important and much more indicative of whether a kid gets accepted.

A "natural" 95th percentile kid with an unprepped 125 on the CogAT will still likely get in if the GBRS is high and the work samples are good. Likewise, high test scores plus a lower GBRS and poor work samples is a huge red flag for a kid who is heavily prepped but not gifted. That kid will likely get rejected.

GBRS and work samples are probably the easiest to game by overzealous parents. I’d suspect it’s the other way around, great GBRS and work samples but low cogat, is more of a red flag.

How on earth can you game the GBRS?? That is all at school by teachers. Work samples, yes… GBRS, no!

I have seen many parents give expensive gifts/presents to 'key' teachers and administrators and cater the entire school for lunch, pay for school supplies etc. for years to 'prepare' the key staff/administrators to ensure admission to AAP. This begins in kindergarten.

Welcome to the real world.

[Anonymous]

Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are overstating the role of test scores in AAP acceptance. The equity report showed that GBRS is much more important and much more indicative of whether a kid gets accepted.

A "natural" 95th percentile kid with an unprepped 125 on the CogAT will still likely get in if the GBRS is high and the work samples are good. Likewise, high test scores plus a lower GBRS and poor work samples is a huge red flag for a kid who is heavily prepped but not gifted. That kid will likely get rejected.

GBRS and work samples are probably the easiest to game by overzealous parents. I’d suspect it’s the other way around, great GBRS and work samples but low cogat, is more of a red flag.

How on earth can you game the GBRS?? That is all at school by teachers. Work samples, yes… GBRS, no!

You can't really game the work samples. The work samples that the selection committee cares about are all completed at school and selected by the classroom teacher or AART. I don't think the parent provided samples count for anything at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Plebs on the left don't like objective measures such as tests. They want equal outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are overstating the role of test scores in AAP acceptance. The equity report showed that GBRS is much more important and much more indicative of whether a kid gets accepted.

A "natural" 95th percentile kid with an unprepped 125 on the CogAT will still likely get in if the GBRS is high and the work samples are good. Likewise, high test scores plus a lower GBRS and poor work samples is a huge red flag for a kid who is heavily prepped but not gifted. That kid will likely get rejected.

GBRS and work samples are probably the easiest to game by overzealous parents. I’d suspect it’s the other way around, great GBRS and work samples but low cogat, is more of a red flag.

How on earth can you game the GBRS?? That is all at school by teachers. Work samples, yes… GBRS, no!

You can't really game the work samples. The work samples that the selection committee cares about are all completed at school and selected by the classroom teacher or AART. I don't think the parent provided samples count for anything at all.

And you know this how? Were you part of the selection committee, or it’s just something you ‘think’?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Incorrect, these are the easiest to the game. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted just to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Incorrect, these are the easiest to the game. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted just to this.

The industry is there because they are difficult to game. You need to have the knowledge to pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Incorrect, these are the easiest to the game. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted just to this.

The industry is there because they are difficult to game. You need to have the knowledge to pass.

The industry is there since everything is easy with $$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Incorrect, these are the easiest to the game. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted just to this.

The industry is there because they are difficult to game. You need to have the knowledge to pass.

The industry is there since everything is easy with $$$

Can you just pay the money and do well on the test? Obviously not!

You pay the money for the educational service, it’s not that different from a private school or college. In the end you pay for their work towards helping your kid understand a topic or subject.

Duh, everything is easier with money! Do you like doing your own oil change? Cleaning your house? Paying someone makes it a breeze.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Incorrect, these are the easiest to the game. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted just to this.

The industry is there because they are difficult to game. You need to have the knowledge to pass.

The industry is there since everything is easy with $$$

Can you just pay the money and do well on the test? Obviously not!

You pay the money for the educational service, it’s not that different from a private school or college. In the end you pay for their work towards helping your kid understand a topic or subject.

Duh, everything is easier with money! Do you like doing your own oil change? Cleaning your house? Paying someone makes it a breeze.

Personally, I find there's virtue in doing my own work. Paying a prep center to feed your kid test questions isn't exactly fair to those who can't afford prep. That is why the geographic component of the new selection process is necessary. It allows a cross-section of people a shot at admission. Not just those who can afford prep.

[Anonymous]

There needs to be more assesments that tap into the lived experience of the disadvantaged.

Lets say I set an essey assignment about critically evalulating the SNAP program in the local area. Which demogaphic is most likely to produce a stong, nuanaced take, UMC kids with zero personal experiance with povery or those living in the local housing projects?

Some things can't be tutored for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
There needs to be more assesments that tap into the lived experience of the disadvantaged.

Lets say I set an essey assignment about critically evalulating the SNAP program in the local area. Which demogaphic is most likely to produce a stong, nuanaced take, UMC kids with zero personal experiance with povery or those living in the local housing projects?

Some things can't be tutored for.

When it comes to essays for admissions, you should be at least vaguely aware of the lying, exaggerating and cheating that takes place, some of the most outrageous ones even making it in the news. If you think you need to live the experience to write well about it, I suggest you take a class in creative writing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Testing results are the most difficult to game by rich parents.

Incorrect, these are the easiest to the game. In fact, there's a whole industry devoted just to this.

The industry is there because they are difficult to game. You need to have the knowledge to pass.

The industry is there since everything is easy with $$$

Can you just pay the money and do well on the test? Obviously not!

You pay the money for the educational service, it’s not that different from a private school or college. In the end you pay for their work towards helping your kid understand a topic or subject.

Duh, everything is easier with money! Do you like doing your own oil change? Cleaning your house? Paying someone makes it a breeze.

Personally, I find there's virtue in doing my own work. Paying a prep center to feed your kid test questions isn't exactly fair to those who can't afford prep. That is why the geographic component of the new selection process is necessary. It allows a cross-section of people a shot at admission. Not just those who can afford prep.

Those who can afford to prep, or those who make the sacrifices to prep, or those who don’t need prep because they are highly driven and study on their own or truly gifted and don’t need to study much. How do you distinguish between them? Why is it preferable to provide the opportunity (on public money) to a B student from a poverty background rather than a brilliant A student that is comfortably middle class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: If you think you need to live the experience to write well about it, I suggest you take a class in creative writing.

Year former slaves were so accurately written in Song of the south. Asian depiction in Miss Siagon and Indiana Jones and the temple of doom wasn’t problematic at all (sarcasm)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: If you think you need to live the experience to write well about it, I suggest you take a class in creative writing.

Year former slaves were so accurately written in Song of the south. Asian depiction in Miss Siagon and Indiana Jones and the temple of doom wasn’t problematic at all (sarcasm)

You forgot to bring up cultural appropriation, and provide a list books and cultural works to be banned. I bet you’d love to live in a world where only blacks write for black people, Asians for Asians and the culture is divided into cordoned areas to prevent the wrong races from trespassing.

Let me do sarcasm for you: you must be really fun to be around at parties!