New Virginia social studies standards

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any non-racist reason to remove MLK from the curriculum?

MLK is not removed from the curriculum. So I cannot answer your question.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

Yup, just a ridiculous kid-gloves treatment, to the disadvantage of historical accuracy. Never mind the fact that the Commanche of Texas/Mexico started out in the Great Plains and migrated south, or that the Sioux started out in the upper Midwest and migrated West (displacing the Indian tribes they encountered along the way), or that the Iroquois started in Canada and the Ohio river valley and expanded to displace the Algonquian peoples.

Nope, from 10,000 BC to 1492 they all just appeared in their respective regions, stayed right there, and lived in harmony.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

I was taught in school that they came over on a land bridge from Asia. Seems like a fact to include, unless this is not a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

I was taught in school that they came over on a land bridge from Asia. Seems like a fact to include, unless this is not a fact.

We now believe that many/most came by boat from Asia.

The Carolina dog, which is the wild dog of America, came with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

No, human migrations have been happening for 100,000 years, 30,000 years in the Americas.

Immigration is a more modern concept developed as countries formed borders and people crossed them.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the link to the meeting. It gets interesting pretty quickly. https://youtu.be/vPIQhS2cYGw

Tons of virtue signaling, tons of left-wing "historians" screaming.

The voters spoke in the last election that they didn't want social studies to be a social activism class anymore. You'll have to teach that to kids on your own time.

So you didn't actually listen to it at all then. Got it.

I did. If you think that US history should be taught in a completely negative light about oppression, imperialism and other negative issues with 0 balance, then I'm sure you loved the SOLs after the African American professors' history edits (which were made unilaterally by Democrats after the Ralph Northam blackface scandal).

So VA voters got those jammed down their throats, and then they voted a year later to reject such a view. The people have spoken. You can move to Maryland.

That's not what was happening so...

Maybe join us here in reality if you want to have a reasonable discussion.

I mean, yes. Fortunately social studies only happened for 30 minutes a day, so that other subjects counteracted the negativity somewhat. But that was the teaching, and the new guidelines were moreso. Glad that's being thrown out.

That isn’t happening, despite what FoxNews says.

I don't watch Fox News. I see what my kids have been learning in school.

Maybe you could have paid a little more attention?

If you think your kids have been learning CRT et al in school, you’re the one who needs to pay more attention.

It's not CRT, but when you teach 90% negative side of US and Western History, it's definitely "woke".

God forbid we be aware of the negatives.

Then lets teach them about the comanche indians and the Fort Park Massacre to give them a well rounded perspective. How the Comanche indians mutilated a white family and cut their tongues off and scalped a man while his young children and pregnant wife fled for safety. Oh wait, that would make the american indians look bad. Weird how such peaceful loving people to castrate, scalp, and kill a man for trying to protect his family from being murdered, tortured, and raped…..

From wikipedia:
Benjamin knew he was going to be killed. According to Rachel Plummer's account, Benjamin returned to the fort, after his first talk with the war party, and told his brother and father that he believed they would all be killed, and that they should run swiftly to the woods. Silas again argued with him, telling him they should push the big gate shut, and man the walls. Ben pointed out, rightly, Rachel said, that there was no time, and their "course was decided." He told her, "run little Rachel, for your life and your unborn child, run now and fast!" She said he then straightened up and went back outside.[7] She recounted how Silas told her to watch the front gate, after Benjamin had gone out to talk to the Indians the second time, when she herself wanted to flee, while he ran for his musket and powder pouch.[7] "They will kill Benjamin," she reported her Uncle Silas saying, "and then me, but I will do for at least one of them, by God." At that moment, she said she heard whooping outside the fort, and then Indians were inside.[7]

The 3–5 minutes bought enough time that the majority of the women and children did get away. Rachel Plummer, who was pregnant, was afraid she would not be able to keep up while carrying her two-year-old son, and so she stayed in the fort.[7] She began running after seeing the Indians come into the fort, holding her little boy's hand, while behind her she said she saw Indians stabbing Benjamin with their lances, and then she heard "Uncle Silas shout defiance as though he had a thousand men with him. Alas, he was alone, and soon dead."[7] Lucy Parker, who also had a small child, stopped to argue with her husband Silas, begging him to come with her.[7] Elizabeth Duty Kellogg stopped to gather up their savings, $100 in coins, before she attempted to escape.

Benjamin Parker was killed, and before the fort's gates could be closed, the raiders rushed inside. Silas Parker, who was outside with his brother, was killed before he was able to get back inside the gate. Samuel Frost and his son Robert were killed inside the gate, as they attempted to flee. John Parker was castrated and then scalped. His wife came out of the woods when she saw his torture and was captured.[7] Lucy Parker and her youngest two children were initially captured but were rescued by David Faulkenberry as he ran up to the fort from the fields. Her two oldest children, however, along with Rachel and her son, and Elizabeth Kellogg were successfully kidnapped.

In all, five men were killed, some were left for dead, two women and three children were captured, and the rest escaped into the wilderness.

Link to wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Parker_massacre

OK. Let's! We should remember how brutal and savage humans are and how it continues today, ie Russians in Ukraine as but one mere example.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

No, human migrations have been happening for 100,000 years, 30,000 years in the Americas.

Immigration is a more modern concept developed as countries formed borders and people crossed them.

I do think it's important to distinguish migrations and immigration - and forced immigration - within the curriculum. It's history - world, human history - and is important.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

No, human migrations have been happening for 100,000 years, 30,000 years in the Americas.

Immigration is a more modern concept developed as countries formed borders and people crossed them.

Yes. Facts should be taught about when and how “native americans” arrived in North / Central / South America. But calling them the first “immigrants” is just a loaded political instruction since there was no defined “countries” in the Americas when they arrived.

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This is just like people 100 years ago who wanted Christianity included at school, not for their own kids but for those other sinners. Now, it's the religion of the woke that has to be forced onto other kids.

They pushed it too far, it was such an issue that it became an election issue, and now the balance is being restored.

These people are still in denial though of how far they pushed it. Reminds me of a divorced spouse who was abusive, still saying their ex is responsible for everything wrong in their marriage when the judge already decided against him because of his abusiveness. The first step is admitting these people may have even partially a valid concern.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just like people 100 years ago who wanted Christianity included at school, not for their own kids but for those other sinners. Now, it's the religion of the woke that has to be forced onto other kids.

They pushed it too far, it was such an issue that it became an election issue, and now the balance is being restored.

These people are still in denial though of how far they pushed it. Reminds me of a divorced spouse who was abusive, still saying their ex is responsible for everything wrong in their marriage when the judge already decided against him because of his abusiveness. The first step is admitting these people may have even partially a valid concern.

woke religion = teaching about MLK? using correct terminology?

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Anonymous wrote:This is just like people 100 years ago who wanted Christianity included at school, not for their own kids but for those other sinners. Now, it's the religion of the woke that has to be forced onto other kids.

They pushed it too far, it was such an issue that it became an election issue, and now the balance is being restored.

These people are still in denial though of how far they pushed it. Reminds me of a divorced spouse who was abusive, still saying their ex is responsible for everything wrong in their marriage when the judge already decided against him because of his abusiveness. The first step is admitting these people may have even partially a valid concern.

woke religion = teaching about MLK? using correct terminology?

MLK was taught about in those standards at the K level. And the Native Americans thing was a ridiculous error by a sloppy consultant who should be fired for producing something with typos and not having it reviewed from a political lens.

The original VDOE draft left out George Washington as the father of the country and James Madison as the father of the constitution (supposedly the VDOE claims that was a typo). There's only a limited amount of time and when you start choosing "imperialism" and turning US history into all oppression standards, things have to be tossed out.

It's like in the movie PCU - "I think Bisexual Asian Studies needs its own building. The question is what goes. The math department or hockey."

Youngkin ran on this issue, he won on this issue, and the woke far left is going to have to accept the social studies curriculum is getting pushed back towards the middle (Rs and moderate Ds have already accepted it).

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any non-racist reason to remove MLK from the curriculum?

MLK is not removed from the curriculum. So I cannot answer your question.

Well sure if you count sticking him back in after the uproar over his removal but still not to the extent he was in there before.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any non-racist reason to remove MLK from the curriculum?

MLK is not removed from the curriculum. So I cannot answer your question.

Well sure if you count sticking him back in after the uproar over his removal but still not to the extent he was in there before.

That's incorrect. Just look at the first draft that was posted - MLK is there.

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Anonymous wrote:Several speakers expressed outrage over kindergarten standards that described Indigenous people as America’s first “immigrants” from Asia.

“This is our home. We are not immigrants,” said Aaron Winston, a board member for the Virginia Tribal Education Consortium. “No one is trying to say the English didn’t come from England or the Chinese didn’t come from China. Why are you telling us that now we come from somewhere else?”

Superintendent Balow later apologized in an interview.

“It was wrong to label them as immigrants in the standards document and we will make sure that is corrected,” Balow said.

But they were "immigrants" in the technical sense....

No, human migrations have been happening for 100,000 years, 30,000 years in the Americas.

Immigration is a more modern concept developed as countries formed borders and people crossed them.

Yes. Facts should be taught about when and how “native americans” arrived in North / Central / South America. But calling them the first “immigrants” is just a loaded political instruction since there was no defined “countries” in the Americas when they arrived.

Exactly. These people acting like there’s no difference between migration and immigration are just playing dumb. There weren’t even immigration laws that applied then. Trying to force the identity of “first immigrants” on native communities is bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just like people 100 years ago who wanted Christianity included at school, not for their own kids but for those other sinners. Now, it's the religion of the woke that has to be forced onto other kids.

They pushed it too far, it was such an issue that it became an election issue, and now the balance is being restored.

These people are still in denial though of how far they pushed it. Reminds me of a divorced spouse who was abusive, still saying their ex is responsible for everything wrong in their marriage when the judge already decided against him because of his abusiveness. The first step is admitting these people may have even partially a valid concern.

woke religion = teaching about MLK? using correct terminology?

MLK was taught about in those standards at the K level. And the Native Americans thing was a ridiculous error by a sloppy consultant who should be fired for producing something with typos and not having it reviewed from a political lens.

The original VDOE draft left out George Washington as the father of the country and James Madison as the father of the constitution (supposedly the VDOE claims that was a typo). There's only a limited amount of time and when you start choosing "imperialism" and turning US history into all oppression standards, things have to be tossed out.

It's like in the movie PCU - "I think Bisexual Asian Studies needs its own building. The question is what goes. The math department or hockey."

Youngkin ran on this issue, he won on this issue, and the woke far left is going to have to accept the social studies curriculum is getting pushed back towards the middle (Rs and moderate Ds have already accepted it).

You think you sound very smart, but it’s clear you were napping or not sophisticated enough to understand more than a simple, Great White Man view of American history. Those of us who have dedicated years studying the original sources and not some bowdlerized propaganda textbook written for an 8th grade audience know better. Trust the people who have done the work, the historians.