Teacher Resident - no teaching qualifications required?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

FWIW, we DO have 30 kid classes...and resident teachers. It's not an either/or, it's an emergency all of the above situation. My roster is 32 right now. I assume the resident teacher on our team will also have 30+ kids, though for their sake I hope not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

How do you know??

It listed right next to her name in the school directory. "Teacher Resident"
I googled her. She has a 2021 undergraduate degree in theater. So someone who wanted to be an actress, realized it's impossible, and is now trying to teach without a teaching degree because it was an easy job to get. Can't wait.

So? Remember when you were all piling on teachers during the pandemic, telling them they had to go in "because the kids don't catch it", telling them they should quit if they didn't go in and any warm body would do a better job, and then accusing them of being pedophiles and groomers? How much abuse did you think people would take for 60k a year? They listened to you! You bought it, you own it now. Enjoy!

I never ever complained about my kids teachers but nice try. I will say it’s super frustrating because we all know YOUR kids (teachers kids) aren’t going to be in classes with these “teachers”.

My kids' elementary school doesn't even know I'm a teacher--why would they? I don't know when I have children of teachers on my roster until they tell me in conversation. I promise you, my child has an equal likelihood of getting the same classroom as your child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And I meant it made sense for high school because they can skip the education degree part.

The resident teacher role only allows you to skip licensing requirements for the first year (And licensed high school teachers typically get a BA/BS in their subject area and either do a post-bac education courses or master's in education in VA to be fully licensed). The thing that is new is this resident teacher position just requires a 4 year degree and doesn't require passing the praxis--not even for the subject areas they are going to teach. It's problematic because it's not like you're going to be told your child's teacher is a "resident teacher" so people are going to be very confused when teachers don't have content knowledge. If your teacher is a long term sub you kind of know they may or may not have deep content knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I'm all for the resident teacher position given that there's a teacher shortage, I just think the praxis should be the bar to pass. It's a 1-4 hour test depending on subject area and there are on-line resources to study for it. It shouldn't be a problem for anyone who is capable of teaching the subject (though it's not an easy test, these are people who did get a college degree). Otherwise people are going to waste a lot of energy of mentoring, supporting a person who is not capable of passing the test. (There are people who enroll in graduate education programs who can't pass the praxis after many tries and have to go teach in Catholic/private schools that don't require it or switch out of the field).

Isn't there a curriculum, and all the teachers have to teach the same thing out of the same text or work books?

lolololololololol

*breathe*

lolololololololol

Okay, sorry.

I have taught 14 years and never had a workbook or a textbook to use for any of the courses I taught (middle/high school). Every single paper your kid gets is made from scratch by me, purchased by me online, or made in collaboration with my team.

This is such a common misconception though--I think it's why people think teaching is acceptably paid, why anyone can do it, why teachers are idiots when there are mistakes on papers. The general public thinks we are reading scripts, when in reality teachers are literally creating an 8 hour meeting agenda and all associated handouts every. single. day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

Um, my roster is at 27. Others are at 29-30. Class Sizes are way up this year regardless of who is in front of the classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And I meant it made sense for high school because they can skip the education degree part.

The resident teacher role only allows you to skip licensing requirements for the first year (And licensed high school teachers typically get a BA/BS in their subject area and either do a post-bac education courses or master's in education in VA to be fully licensed). The thing that is new is this resident teacher position just requires a 4 year degree and doesn't require passing the praxis--not even for the subject areas they are going to teach. It's problematic because it's not like you're going to be told your child's teacher is a "resident teacher" so people are going to be very confused when teachers don't have content knowledge. If your teacher is a long term sub you kind of know they may or may not have deep content knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I'm all for the resident teacher position given that there's a teacher shortage, I just think the praxis should be the bar to pass. It's a 1-4 hour test depending on subject area and there are on-line resources to study for it. It shouldn't be a problem for anyone who is capable of teaching the subject (though it's not an easy test, these are people who did get a college degree). Otherwise people are going to waste a lot of energy of mentoring, supporting a person who is not capable of passing the test. (There are people who enroll in graduate education programs who can't pass the praxis after many tries and have to go teach in Catholic/private schools that don't require it or switch out of the field).

Isn't there a curriculum, and all the teachers have to teach the same thing out of the same text or work books?

lolololololololol

*breathe*

lolololololololol

Okay, sorry.

I have taught 14 years and never had a workbook or a textbook to use for any of the courses I taught (middle/high school). Every single paper your kid gets is made from scratch by me, purchased by me online, or made in collaboration with my team.

This is such a common misconception though--I think it's why people think teaching is acceptably paid, why anyone can do it, why teachers are idiots when there are mistakes on papers. The general public thinks we are reading scripts, when in reality teachers are literally creating an 8 hour meeting agenda and all associated handouts every. single. day.

That's not how they teach math in MCPS elementary schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

How do you know??

It listed right next to her name in the school directory. "Teacher Resident"
I googled her. She has a 2021 undergraduate degree in theater. So someone who wanted to be an actress, realized it's impossible, and is now trying to teach without a teaching degree because it was an easy job to get. Can't wait.

So? Remember when you were all piling on teachers during the pandemic, telling them they had to go in "because the kids don't catch it", telling them they should quit if they didn't go in and any warm body would do a better job, and then accusing them of being pedophiles and groomers? How much abuse did you think people would take for 60k a year? They listened to you! You bought it, you own it now. Enjoy!

LOL I remember that....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I meant it made sense for high school because they can skip the education degree part.

The resident teacher role only allows you to skip licensing requirements for the first year (And licensed high school teachers typically get a BA/BS in their subject area and either do a post-bac education courses or master's in education in VA to be fully licensed). The thing that is new is this resident teacher position just requires a 4 year degree and doesn't require passing the praxis--not even for the subject areas they are going to teach. It's problematic because it's not like you're going to be told your child's teacher is a "resident teacher" so people are going to be very confused when teachers don't have content knowledge. If your teacher is a long term sub you kind of know they may or may not have deep content knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I'm all for the resident teacher position given that there's a teacher shortage, I just think the praxis should be the bar to pass. It's a 1-4 hour test depending on subject area and there are on-line resources to study for it. It shouldn't be a problem for anyone who is capable of teaching the subject (though it's not an easy test, these are people who did get a college degree). Otherwise people are going to waste a lot of energy of mentoring, supporting a person who is not capable of passing the test. (There are people who enroll in graduate education programs who can't pass the praxis after many tries and have to go teach in Catholic/private schools that don't require it or switch out of the field).

So my child’s resident teacher hasn’t even passed the exam required to be a teacher? Like they could have a four year degree from the university of phoenix in something like sociology and be considered a fifth grade teacher??? And then you’re saying there’s no curriculum for them to follow? It’s just going to be a free for all?? WTF????

Isn't there a curriculum, and all the teachers have to teach the same thing out of the same text or work books?

lolololololololol

*breathe*

lolololololololol

Okay, sorry.

I have taught 14 years and never had a workbook or a textbook to use for any of the courses I taught (middle/high school). Every single paper your kid gets is made from scratch by me, purchased by me online, or made in collaboration with my team.

This is such a common misconception though--I think it's why people think teaching is acceptably paid, why anyone can do it, why teachers are idiots when there are mistakes on papers. The general public thinks we are reading scripts, when in reality teachers are literally creating an 8 hour meeting agenda and all associated handouts every. single. day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I meant it made sense for high school because they can skip the education degree part.

The resident teacher role only allows you to skip licensing requirements for the first year (And licensed high school teachers typically get a BA/BS in their subject area and either do a post-bac education courses or master's in education in VA to be fully licensed). The thing that is new is this resident teacher position just requires a 4 year degree and doesn't require passing the praxis--not even for the subject areas they are going to teach. It's problematic because it's not like you're going to be told your child's teacher is a "resident teacher" so people are going to be very confused when teachers don't have content knowledge. If your teacher is a long term sub you kind of know they may or may not have deep content knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I'm all for the resident teacher position given that there's a teacher shortage, I just think the praxis should be the bar to pass. It's a 1-4 hour test depending on subject area and there are on-line resources to study for it. It shouldn't be a problem for anyone who is capable of teaching the subject (though it's not an easy test, these are people who did get a college degree). Otherwise people are going to waste a lot of energy of mentoring, supporting a person who is not capable of passing the test. (There are people who enroll in graduate education programs who can't pass the praxis after many tries and have to go teach in Catholic/private schools that don't require it or switch out of the field).

Isn't there a curriculum, and all the teachers have to teach the same thing out of the same text or work books?

lolololololololol

*breathe*

lolololololololol

Okay, sorry.

I have taught 14 years and never had a workbook or a textbook to use for any of the courses I taught (middle/high school). Every single paper your kid gets is made from scratch by me, purchased by me online, or made in collaboration with my team.

This is such a common misconception though--I think it's why people think teaching is acceptably paid, why anyone can do it, why teachers are idiots when there are mistakes on papers. The general public thinks we are reading scripts, when in reality teachers are literally creating an 8 hour meeting agenda and all associated handouts every. single. day.

So a PP is saying that my child’s resident teacher hasn’t even passed the exam required to be a teacher? Like they could have a four year degree from the university of phoenix in something like sociology and be considered a fifth grade teacher??? And then you’re saying there’s no curriculum for them to follow? It’s just going to be a free for all?? WTF????

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

How do you know??

It listed right next to her name in the school directory. "Teacher Resident"
I googled her. She has a 2021 undergraduate degree in theater. So someone who wanted to be an actress, realized it's impossible, and is now trying to teach without a teaching degree because it was an easy job to get. Can't wait.

Got it. My school doesn’t have the directory updated yet.

It seems that FCPS is spinning it like these are teachers with out of state license or the wrong license but have taught before. But this is definitely IAs last year who are now teaching. Maybe even having an IA that is the same level of qualification as them. Haha

Most of them are recent college grads. I'm actually okay with the IAs that are doing it - at least they have classroom experience. The college grads on the other hand....we'll see how long they last.

So is it similar to Teach for America? They recruit recent college grads to teach.

They had more than four weeks of training and was (is?) a really shitty program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

How do you know??

It listed right next to her name in the school directory. "Teacher Resident"
I googled her. She has a 2021 undergraduate degree in theater. So someone who wanted to be an actress, realized it's impossible, and is now trying to teach without a teaching degree because it was an easy job to get. Can't wait.

Got it. My school doesn’t have the directory updated yet.

It seems that FCPS is spinning it like these are teachers with out of state license or the wrong license but have taught before. But this is definitely IAs last year who are now teaching. Maybe even having an IA that is the same level of qualification as them. Haha

Most of them are recent college grads. I'm actually okay with the IAs that are doing it - at least they have classroom experience. The college grads on the other hand....we'll see how long they last.

So is it similar to Teach for America? They recruit recent college grads to teach.

They had more than four weeks of training and was (is?) a really shitty program.

Not to mention, for TFA and other resident teacher programs, there required some planning on the part of the future teacher. Interviews are int be spring or earlier. Training starts in the early summer or earlier, you have to meet certain requirements, etc. The people who joined had had an actual interest in being a teacher, if only for a few years. What FCPS is doing is inviting anyone who needs a job tomorrow. I do think that will make the difference in endurance and determination to work through tough situations. Alternative certification is hard to get right in any case but fcps is setting these people up for fail, while also likely recruiting people who may not be that into it in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so pissed. My kid has one of these. I'd rather they just do 30-kid classes than have a fake teacher who has no idea what they're doing and a smaller class size. REALLY pissed.

How do you know??

It listed right next to her name in the school directory. "Teacher Resident"
I googled her. She has a 2021 undergraduate degree in theater. So someone who wanted to be an actress, realized it's impossible, and is now trying to teach without a teaching degree because it was an easy job to get. Can't wait.

So? Remember when you were all piling on teachers during the pandemic, telling them they had to go in "because the kids don't catch it", telling them they should quit if they didn't go in and any warm body would do a better job, and then accusing them of being pedophiles and groomers? How much abuse did you think people would take for 60k a year? They listened to you! You bought it, you own it now. Enjoy!

I never ever complained about my kids teachers but nice try. I will say it’s super frustrating because we all know YOUR kids (teachers kids) aren’t going to be in classes with these “teachers”.

My kids' elementary school doesn't even know I'm a teacher--why would they? I don't know when I have children of teachers on my roster until they tell me in conversation. I promise you, my child has an equal likelihood of getting the same classroom as your child.

Also a teacher here - my kid mostly got horrible teachers in elementary. I'm pretty sure in some cases it was deliberate because the principal didn't like me. She didn't know anything about modern instructional methods - even the ones the county says school are supposed to use, was 50 years behind the times in behavior, and was a truly incompetent administrator, and although I never said anything I think she just knew that I knew and felt threatened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I meant it made sense for high school because they can skip the education degree part.

The resident teacher role only allows you to skip licensing requirements for the first year (And licensed high school teachers typically get a BA/BS in their subject area and either do a post-bac education courses or master's in education in VA to be fully licensed). The thing that is new is this resident teacher position just requires a 4 year degree and doesn't require passing the praxis--not even for the subject areas they are going to teach. It's problematic because it's not like you're going to be told your child's teacher is a "resident teacher" so people are going to be very confused when teachers don't have content knowledge. If your teacher is a long term sub you kind of know they may or may not have deep content knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I'm all for the resident teacher position given that there's a teacher shortage, I just think the praxis should be the bar to pass. It's a 1-4 hour test depending on subject area and there are on-line resources to study for it. It shouldn't be a problem for anyone who is capable of teaching the subject (though it's not an easy test, these are people who did get a college degree). Otherwise people are going to waste a lot of energy of mentoring, supporting a person who is not capable of passing the test. (There are people who enroll in graduate education programs who can't pass the praxis after many tries and have to go teach in Catholic/private schools that don't require it or switch out of the field).

Isn't there a curriculum, and all the teachers have to teach the same thing out of the same text or work books?

lolololololololol

*breathe*

lolololololololol

Okay, sorry.

I have taught 14 years and never had a workbook or a textbook to use for any of the courses I taught (middle/high school). Every single paper your kid gets is made from scratch by me, purchased by me online, or made in collaboration with my team.

This is such a common misconception though--I think it's why people think teaching is acceptably paid, why anyone can do it, why teachers are idiots when there are mistakes on papers. The general public thinks we are reading scripts, when in reality teachers are literally creating an 8 hour meeting agenda and all associated handouts every. single. day.

So a PP is saying that my child’s resident teacher hasn’t even passed the exam required to be a teacher? Like they could have a four year degree from the university of phoenix in something like sociology and be considered a fifth grade teacher??? And then you’re saying there’s no curriculum for them to follow? It’s just going to be a free for all?? WTF????

Don't worry, the test teachers have to pass is pretty much a joke and has nothing to do with actual teaching. Plenty of fully qualified teachers are terrible at the job, too. Honestly, you've as good a chance of getting a decent teacher either way. About 50/50.

[Anonymous]

I'd be more concerned with their ability to stick with the job for the entire year. The last thing kids need is another revolving door of random subs because their "teacher" dropped out. At least new teachers have had a taste of the classroom from student teaching. These new teacher residents may have zero experience in a classroom other than being a student in one. This is not the type of job to just be dropped into.

[Anonymous]

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-public-schools-teacher-residency-program-staffing-shortages-fcps-virginia-lerning-education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I meant it made sense for high school because they can skip the education degree part.

The resident teacher role only allows you to skip licensing requirements for the first year (And licensed high school teachers typically get a BA/BS in their subject area and either do a post-bac education courses or master's in education in VA to be fully licensed). The thing that is new is this resident teacher position just requires a 4 year degree and doesn't require passing the praxis--not even for the subject areas they are going to teach. It's problematic because it's not like you're going to be told your child's teacher is a "resident teacher" so people are going to be very confused when teachers don't have content knowledge. If your teacher is a long term sub you kind of know they may or may not have deep content knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I'm all for the resident teacher position given that there's a teacher shortage, I just think the praxis should be the bar to pass. It's a 1-4 hour test depending on subject area and there are on-line resources to study for it. It shouldn't be a problem for anyone who is capable of teaching the subject (though it's not an easy test, these are people who did get a college degree). Otherwise people are going to waste a lot of energy of mentoring, supporting a person who is not capable of passing the test. (There are people who enroll in graduate education programs who can't pass the praxis after many tries and have to go teach in Catholic/private schools that don't require it or switch out of the field).

Isn't there a curriculum, and all the teachers have to teach the same thing out of the same text or work books?

lolololololololol

*breathe*

lolololololololol

Okay, sorry.

I have taught 14 years and never had a workbook or a textbook to use for any of the courses I taught (middle/high school). Every single paper your kid gets is made from scratch by me, purchased by me online, or made in collaboration with my team.

This is such a common misconception though--I think it's why people think teaching is acceptably paid, why anyone can do it, why teachers are idiots when there are mistakes on papers. The general public thinks we are reading scripts, when in reality teachers are literally creating an 8 hour meeting agenda and all associated handouts every. single. day.

So a PP is saying that my child’s resident teacher hasn’t even passed the exam required to be a teacher? Like they could have a four year degree from the university of phoenix in something like sociology and be considered a fifth grade teacher??? And then you’re saying there’s no curriculum for them to follow? It’s just going to be a free for all?? WTF????

And the current teachers who have years of experience will continue to burnout because they need to support this team member (more) as soon as they start struggling.