Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure former military are the best people for the job. School isn’t the military and students can get away with a lot due to no consequences. Military folks would be in for a rude awakening at a public school these days.

Actually, I think the misbehaving students and their parents would be the ones in for a rude awakening these days. And I will cheer it on!

No, honey, they wouldn’t. The administration calls the shots, not the teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Some great points here and I don’t mean to be a bomb-thrower but I’ve thought a lot about the subject with two kids in Maryland public schools - with high teacher pay, professionalization of profession, unionized etc. Fact: Florida 4th graders in 2019 placed 5th in the nation on mathematics (just after Virginia). Maryland 4th graders placed 35th - just after kids from Hawaii. This is pre-COVID so should be fairer. Both states have high immigrant populations. Picked 4th grade since kids should feel comfortable with school - yet it’s math so has to be instructed. My point: I would trust Florida education officials over Maryland’s in a friggin New York minute given their results on NAEP for a third of the money spent. This move will work out just fine for the public school students of Florida.

Not sure what testing you're referring to, but here's average SAT scores by state, FLorida doesn't do very well, even lower scores than Mississippi and Alabama.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

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NP. You must be one of those poor private school teacher.

You don’t need teacher data to know if a private school has good teachers. You need salary data. My oldest just took a job with a private middle school. He has 4 years experience with a Title I high school and just finished his Masters. Pay is $88,000 plus decent benefits. School has good reputation and nice facilities. Not hard to see they are getting good staff. Wonder why that could be?

Wow! DH and I each have 20 years teaching experience with Master’s degrees and are paid less than $80k at 2 different DMV private schools with tuition rates above $40k/year. The health and retirement benefits are also a joke.

I make waaaaaay more than 88,000 in public school. Private schools notoriously pay worse. Not sure where you are, but in DCUM land, privates pay less.
I highly doubt your son will be getting a pension.

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Anonymous wrote:Some great points here and I don’t mean to be a bomb-thrower but I’ve thought a lot about the subject with two kids in Maryland public schools - with high teacher pay, professionalization of profession, unionized etc. Fact: Florida 4th graders in 2019 placed 5th in the nation on mathematics (just after Virginia). Maryland 4th graders placed 35th - just after kids from Hawaii. This is pre-COVID so should be fairer. Both states have high immigrant populations. Picked 4th grade since kids should feel comfortable with school - yet it’s math so has to be instructed. My point: I would trust Florida education officials over Maryland’s in a friggin New York minute given their results on NAEP for a third of the money spent. This move will work out just fine for the public school students of Florida.

How does Florida perform when your filter out private school students from NAEP?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a fine proposal for fielding substitute teachers, para educators, aides, PE teachers, school security personnel, school secretaries, bus drivers, maybe even school nurses (trained medics would probably be qualified) etc., but it’s a very questionable solution for ensuring Florida’s children an adequate education if it applies to full time teaching of core subjects.

+1 we have such a low bar for teacher qualifications. And why the spouse? Yet another reason to not live in FL.

Why not the spouse, for the positions described by the PP? Lots of former SAHMs end up working as paras/aides. Military spouses often have to give up their career or scale back significantly, and it can be hard to re-enter the workforce. I see no problem helping out military spouses where we can. I agree that the standards for an actual teacher should be higher, but there are staffing shortages across the board in supporting roles too.

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Anonymous wrote:Some great points here and I don’t mean to be a bomb-thrower but I’ve thought a lot about the subject with two kids in Maryland public schools - with high teacher pay, professionalization of profession, unionized etc. Fact: Florida 4th graders in 2019 placed 5th in the nation on mathematics (just after Virginia). Maryland 4th graders placed 35th - just after kids from Hawaii. This is pre-COVID so should be fairer. Both states have high immigrant populations. Picked 4th grade since kids should feel comfortable with school - yet it’s math so has to be instructed. My point: I would trust Florida education officials over Maryland’s in a friggin New York minute given their results on NAEP for a third of the money spent. This move will work out just fine for the public school students of Florida.

Not sure what testing you're referring to, but here's average SAT scores by state, FLorida doesn't do very well, even lower scores than Mississippi and Alabama.

Nice try. That’s b/c FL has nearly 100% participation. Of course the average will be lower.

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Anonymous wrote:Some great points here and I don’t mean to be a bomb-thrower but I’ve thought a lot about the subject with two kids in Maryland public schools - with high teacher pay, professionalization of profession, unionized etc. Fact: Florida 4th graders in 2019 placed 5th in the nation on mathematics (just after Virginia). Maryland 4th graders placed 35th - just after kids from Hawaii. This is pre-COVID so should be fairer. Both states have high immigrant populations. Picked 4th grade since kids should feel comfortable with school - yet it’s math so has to be instructed. My point: I would trust Florida education officials over Maryland’s in a friggin New York minute given their results on NAEP for a third of the money spent. This move will work out just fine for the public school students of Florida.

Not sure what testing you're referring to, but here's average SAT scores by state, FLorida doesn't do very well, even lower scores than Mississippi and Alabama.

Nice try. That’s b/c FL has nearly 100% participation. Of course the average will be lower.

So? The average Florida student does pretty terribly on the SAT. Not sure why their participation rate would be much higher than other states.

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You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

Not data, thanks for playing

NP. You must be one of those poor private school teacher.

You don’t need teacher data to know if a private school has good teachers. You need salary data. My oldest just took a job with a private middle school. He has 4 years experience with a Title I high school and just finished his Masters. Pay is $88,000 plus decent benefits. School has good reputation and nice facilities. Not hard to see they are getting good staff. Wonder why that could be?

Wow! DH and I each have 20 years teaching experience with Master’s degrees and are paid less than $80k at 2 different DMV private schools with tuition rates above $40k/year. The health and retirement benefits are also a joke.

Sounds like you need to renegotiate your contract. You are both underpaid for local private school teachers.

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These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

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Anonymous wrote:You are a nasty piece of work. I will pray for you.

Florida state universities never dropped the SAT/ACT requirement for admission, and the exam was free for all Florida students last year. That’s why they have a higher participation rate.

I was very happy with Hillsborough County Public Schools (Plant HS cluster) and Broward County Public Schools (Cypress Bay HS cluster). You go and have a peek at their matriculation lists and tell me if you still think Florida schools suck.

Aww...do you call people nasty when they show you data and you find it objectionable? Here's more data you won't like...I will pray for your ability to manage your emotions in the presence of facts.
Florida ranks below Maryland and Virginia for PK-12 education in the US News rankings.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12

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Anonymous wrote:These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

It's supply and demand. If they have to have people teaching without degrees, they're not paying enough. That's what happens when you have a low tax (no income tax) state. Kids get shafted.

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This was a publicity stunt as they clearly said no one signed up for the program. If they used it to provide training/degree to the military, especially enlisted, it would make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re going to teach K-3 I don’t see why a college degree would be needed given the teacher shortage. Any adult who clears a background check, and can read, write grammatically correct sentences, and do some basic math should be able to teach.

With jokers like this in public, I am so glad I am going private

Private schools very often don’t have good teachers.

Not data, thanks for playing

NP. You must be one of those poor private school teacher.

You don’t need teacher data to know if a private school has good teachers. You need salary data. My oldest just took a job with a private middle school. He has 4 years experience with a Title I high school and just finished his Masters. Pay is $88,000 plus decent benefits. School has good reputation and nice facilities. Not hard to see they are getting good staff. Wonder why that could be?

Wow! DH and I each have 20 years teaching experience with Master’s degrees and are paid less than $80k at 2 different DMV private schools with tuition rates above $40k/year. The health and retirement benefits are also a joke.

Sounds like you need to renegotiate your contract. You are both underpaid for local private school teachers.

I don't get why people would agree to this when where does all that money go in privates?

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These are not normal times, OP.

Florida is doing the best it can, as is every other state. Here in Florida we’ve had an enormous influx of people over the past couple of years, especially families, so we had to do something. It’s better than closing down the schools or having students not supervised properly.

OP here. I respectfully disagree, it's not better than 'having students not supervised properly.' What about their actual EDUCATION? Kids only have a limited time to become learners, thinkers, capable citizens who will hold down jobs and raise their families well. I don't think any child should be sent to school just to be supervised. It's a matter of budget priorities and the education of children in public schools is obviously not a priority. No schools should be shut down if enough resources were allocated to them. Florida is demonstrating a disregard for the lifelong success of the children in their public schools.