Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1) recharge time.

2) charging infrastructure.

3) battery fires.


In the near future, homeowners policies will specifically exclude/prohibit policy holders from keeping an EV inside a garage or structure attached to the home.

All three of these things are vastly overstated by non-ev owners.

Charging time at home is completely irrelevant - I plug it in whenever I get home and it's full whenever I leave. Every single one of us has at least 8 hours a day of free charging time, which is more than enough for any EV. Charging on a trip is also negligible. Charging stops are 20 minutes every 2.5 hours of driving. Considering very few people are taking 5+ hour trips without stopping for gas, or food, or bathroom breaks at least once, you're looking at a few minutes of extra time at most. I drove my Tesla from DC to Savannah recently and it added 1 hour to a 10 hour trip. Considering I ate while I was charging really it was only about 30 minutes more than a gas car would have taken assuming they stopped for a meal along the way. That's nothing.

Charging infrastructure is also a nonissue unless you're going somewhere incredibly remote. Every interstate in the country has enough coverage to get you from one charger to the next with battery to spare. Dense corridors like 95 have chargers every 10-15 miles. And since modern EVs have 200+ miles of range, even if you're going off-interstate, you'd have to go 100 miles into the wilderness before you didn't have enough charge to get back.

And battery fires are probably the dumbest thing to be worried about. They make the news because "new thing scary!" so every EV fire is a national story while zero gas fires are. As others have pointed out, EVs are safer than gas vehicles when it comes to fires.

Well, for those of us who have on-street parking or live in large apartment complexes, home charging is VERY relevant because it's not a possibility. That kills it for me right there. (There are literally millions of people throughout the country who face this problem.)

Two very close friends have visited me this summer in DMV -- one from Michigan and one from Massachusetts -- and both had problems with broken chargers on the route that significantly impacted their trip. A recent article in the WSJ by a writer who travelled from NOLA to Chicago and back and, because of broken chargers and other charging problems, spent more time trying to charge than sleeping overnight.

There will come a time when an adequate infrastructure will be in place -- but it isn't now.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people have no idea how people in other states and cities really live. DMV folks seem to have a very narrow view of the real world.

Three anectodal stories. I've lived and travelled all over the country so I'm not in a DC bubble. I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014) all over the country on multiple road trips, and I've lived in three cities with them, and I've NEVER encountered a broken charger. Seriously! Tesla has an enormous charging infrastructure. And I'm seeing EVGo and ChargePoints all over the country expanding like mad. I can charge my Tesla on any of them with the adapter.

More and more apartment and condo complexes are installing EV chargers. I have an apartment in LA and installed a charger in my parking spot. No big deal - there's a law in CA and many other states that prevents HOAs and apartment management from denying EV owners from installing chargers. There are also many streets in LA that have EV chargers right next to the parking meter.

It's the non-EV owners that have a narrow view of what's really out there.

The Tesla charging network is solid - especially along the 95 corridor. Telsa range is getting better but still annoying for long distance road trips.

The non-Tesla charging networks suck. Some large gaps in coverage. Slow chargers. And non-Tesla range generally sucks.

PP’s anecdotes may have been non-Tesla EVs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^It's crazy, but it almost sounds like you're rooting for this technology to fail. Why is that?

We've had two EVs since 2018. But we're not replacing cars with them. We had to buy a second for her now teenage driving son.

Maybe don't hop on the attack for someone who's explaining why charging on the road isn't always an issue.

NP. The pp was dismissing issues other EV owners had. Just because it’s wasn’t their issue doesn’t mean it wasn’t someone else’s.

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I used to wonder I would routinely pass Teslas on the highway. Now I know that if they go faster, they’d lose range. So not only does it take longer to fill charge than it does to fill up a tank of gas, it will take a Tesla driver longer to drive long distances. Yes, I’m a fast driver and it would eat me up to have to drive slower than I normally do to drive on a long distance trip. That’s insane to me to have to do. Or I’d have to take more charging brakes. Bananas.

[Anonymous]

I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to wonder I would routinely pass Teslas on the highway. Now I know that if they go faster, they’d lose range. So not only does it take longer to fill charge than it does to fill up a tank of gas, it will take a Tesla driver longer to drive long distances. Yes, I’m a fast driver and it would eat me up to have to drive slower than I normally do to drive on a long distance trip. That’s insane to me to have to do. Or I’d have to take more charging brakes. Bananas.

Is that a regenerative braking joke?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to wonder I would routinely pass Teslas on the highway. Now I know that if they go faster, they’d lose range. So not only does it take longer to fill charge than it does to fill up a tank of gas, it will take a Tesla driver longer to drive long distances. Yes, I’m a fast driver and it would eat me up to have to drive slower than I normally do to drive on a long distance trip. That’s insane to me to have to do. Or I’d have to take more charging brakes. Bananas.

Your gas car loses range driving fast, too, at highway speeds. You just don't bother thinking about it while you complain about gas prices.

https://www.wired.com/story/is-there-an-optimal-driving-speed-that-saves-gas-and-money/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to wonder I would routinely pass Teslas on the highway. Now I know that if they go faster, they’d lose range. So not only does it take longer to fill charge than it does to fill up a tank of gas, it will take a Tesla driver longer to drive long distances. Yes, I’m a fast driver and it would eat me up to have to drive slower than I normally do to drive on a long distance trip. That’s insane to me to have to do. Or I’d have to take more charging brakes. Bananas.

Your gas car loses range driving fast, too, at highway speeds. You just don't bother thinking about it while you complain about gas prices.

https://www.wired.com/story/is-there-an-optimal-driving-speed-that-saves-gas-and-money/

I go father per gallon on the highway and I get to my long distance destinations faster than in an EV. My time is valuable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to wonder I would routinely pass Teslas on the highway. Now I know that if they go faster, they’d lose range. So not only does it take longer to fill charge than it does to fill up a tank of gas, it will take a Tesla driver longer to drive long distances. Yes, I’m a fast driver and it would eat me up to have to drive slower than I normally do to drive on a long distance trip. That’s insane to me to have to do. Or I’d have to take more charging brakes. Bananas.

Your gas car loses range driving fast, too, at highway speeds. You just don't bother thinking about it while you complain about gas prices.

https://www.wired.com/story/is-there-an-optimal-driving-speed-that-saves-gas-and-money/

I go father per gallon on the highway and I get to my long distance destinations faster than in an EV. My time is valuable.

LOL - if you're time was really that valuable, you wouldn't be driving to long distance destinations. Get over yourself

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

DP

FYI dearie, Poors can’t pay cash for cars that do 0-100 in under 6 seconds. Poors finance their cars for 72-96 months at 12%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to wonder I would routinely pass Teslas on the highway. Now I know that if they go faster, they’d lose range. So not only does it take longer to fill charge than it does to fill up a tank of gas, it will take a Tesla driver longer to drive long distances. Yes, I’m a fast driver and it would eat me up to have to drive slower than I normally do to drive on a long distance trip. That’s insane to me to have to do. Or I’d have to take more charging brakes. Bananas.

Your gas car loses range driving fast, too, at highway speeds. You just don't bother thinking about it while you complain about gas prices.

https://www.wired.com/story/is-there-an-optimal-driving-speed-that-saves-gas-and-money/

I go father per gallon on the highway and I get to my long distance destinations faster than in an EV. My time is valuable.

LOL - if you're time was really that valuable, you wouldn't be driving to long distance destinations. Get over yourself

NP. Lol people who value their time don’t drive long distances? Of course they do. They just don’t drive cars that are unable to get them there faster than 55mph or without having to make a gazillion 20-30 minutes stops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

DP

FYI dearie, Poors can’t pay cash for cars that do 0-100 in under 6 seconds. Poors finance their cars for 72-96 months at 12%

As a reason for not buying an EV, the PP said "I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle." Meaning (s)he can't pay cash for it.

PP probably meant 100km/h.

Yes, anyone who finances a car at 12% for EIGHT years is dumb and likely poor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

DP

FYI dearie, Poors can’t pay cash for cars that do 0-100 in under 6 seconds. Poors finance their cars for 72-96 months at 12%

As a reason for not buying an EV, the PP said "I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle." Meaning (s)he can't pay cash for it.

PP probably meant 100km/h.

Yes, anyone who finances a car at 12% for EIGHT years is dumb and likely poor.

Yeah, I refuse to go into debt for a vehicle too. Because I’m smart. The only thing I finance is my home. When I need a car, I give them a cashiers check and leave with it.

Re-read what the PP said . That’s an expensive car with that kind of performance (5.7L V8 and 0-100 in 6 probably means either a GM or Dodge, likely a Vette or a Challenger)

S/he’s able to pay $70-$100k cash for a car 99% of people would finance, and you still think that’s an indicator of poverty?

Good grief you’re dense.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

DP

FYI dearie, Poors can’t pay cash for cars that do 0-100 in under 6 seconds. Poors finance their cars for 72-96 months at 12%

As a reason for not buying an EV, the PP said "I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle." Meaning (s)he can't pay cash for it.

PP probably meant 100km/h.

Yes, anyone who finances a car at 12% for EIGHT years is dumb and likely poor.

Yeah, I refuse to go into debt for a vehicle too. Because I’m smart. The only thing I finance is my home. When I need a car, I give them a cashiers check and leave with it.

Re-read what the PP said . That’s an expensive car with that kind of performance (5.7L V8 and 0-100 in 6 probably means either a GM or Dodge, likely a Vette or a Challenger)

S/he’s able to pay $70-$100k cash for a car 99% of people would finance, and you still think that’s an indicator of poverty?

Good grief you’re dense.

Challenger? Snort.

Maybe she wasn't so poor when she got that car. Could be ancient. PP brought up her own financial situation as a reason why she won't get an EV. That, and she doesn't like EVs.

Who even references 0-100 speed? I had to look mine up. 4.3 according to MT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder what will happen when the first mass evacuation of an area needs to occur, the power goes out, and all these EVs will be stranded along the way. Can someone enlighten me as to how this will work?

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