Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clutch pedal.

The same can be said for 95% of passenger vehicles sold today.

Yes, but you still can get internal combustion engines with a real manual transmission. I have two in my garage right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clutch pedal.

The same can be said for 95% of passenger vehicles sold today.

Yes, but you still can get internal combustion engines with a real manual transmission. I have two in my garage right now.

There are very, very few models available in 2022. Audi doesn't even make them anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) recharge time.

2) charging infrastructure.

3) battery fires.


In the near future, homeowners policies will specifically exclude/prohibit policy holders from keeping an EV inside a garage or structure attached to the home.

All three of these things are vastly overstated by non-ev owners.

Charging time at home is completely irrelevant - I plug it in whenever I get home and it's full whenever I leave. Every single one of us has at least 8 hours a day of free charging time, which is more than enough for any EV. Charging on a trip is also negligible. Charging stops are 20 minutes every 2.5 hours of driving. Considering very few people are taking 5+ hour trips without stopping for gas, or food, or bathroom breaks at least once, you're looking at a few minutes of extra time at most. I drove my Tesla from DC to Savannah recently and it added 1 hour to a 10 hour trip. Considering I ate while I was charging really it was only about 30 minutes more than a gas car would have taken assuming they stopped for a meal along the way. That's nothing.

Charging infrastructure is also a nonissue unless you're going somewhere incredibly remote. Every interstate in the country has enough coverage to get you from one charger to the next with battery to spare. Dense corridors like 95 have chargers every 10-15 miles. And since modern EVs have 200+ miles of range, even if you're going off-interstate, you'd have to go 100 miles into the wilderness before you didn't have enough charge to get back.

And battery fires are probably the dumbest thing to be worried about. They make the news because "new thing scary!" so every EV fire is a national story while zero gas fires are. As others have pointed out, EVs are safer than gas vehicles when it comes to fires.

We own an EV with relatively high range. But we don't take it on long road trips for this very reason. Too many long rest stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clutch pedal.

The same can be said for 95% of passenger vehicles sold today.

Yes, but you still can get internal combustion engines with a real manual transmission. I have two in my garage right now.

There are very, very few models available in 2022. Audi doesn't even make them anymore.

Again, few > none. If you want to drive a car that is fun to drive, you can find a manual in a/an:
* Acura Integra
* BMW M3 and M4
* Camaro
* Challenger
* Bronco
* Mustang
* Wrangler
* Miata
* Any of 6 configurations of Mini
* The Nissan Z
* Porsche Boxster, Cayman and 911
* 3 different Subarus
* Toyota Supra
* VW Golf GTI, Golf R and Jetta GLI.

Not a terrible selection and the rest of you can let your left leg and brain atrophy while you engage autopilot.


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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clutch pedal.

The same can be said for 95% of passenger vehicles sold today.

Yes, but you still can get internal combustion engines with a real manual transmission. I have two in my garage right now.

There are very, very few models available in 2022. Audi doesn't even make them anymore.

Again, few > none. If you want to drive a car that is fun to drive, you can find a manual in a/an:
* Acura Integra
* BMW M3 and M4
* Camaro
* Challenger
* Bronco
* Mustang
* Wrangler
* Miata
* Any of 6 configurations of Mini
* The Nissan Z
* Porsche Boxster, Cayman and 911
* 3 different Subarus
* Toyota Supra
* VW Golf GTI, Golf R and Jetta GLI.

Not a terrible selection and the rest of you can let your left leg and brain atrophy while you engage autopilot.
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Half of those are crap American cars.

I love manual transmission and weep every time I go to buy a car because the selection is pathetic.

[Anonymous]

and two of them just came back on the market this year.

slim pickings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maintenance costs, repair costs, reliability in extreme temperatures, dependence on electricity.

And blackouts are coming. You’ll be stuck at home sweating in the dark. Just watch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maintenance costs, repair costs, reliability in extreme temperatures, dependence on electricity.

And blackouts are coming. You’ll be stuck at home sweating in the dark. Just watch.

You don't have a generator or solar panels yet?

Bummer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) recharge time.

2) charging infrastructure.

3) battery fires.


In the near future, homeowners policies will specifically exclude/prohibit policy holders from keeping an EV inside a garage or structure attached to the home.

All three of these things are vastly overstated by non-ev owners.

Charging time at home is completely irrelevant - I plug it in whenever I get home and it's full whenever I leave. Every single one of us has at least 8 hours a day of free charging time, which is more than enough for any EV. Charging on a trip is also negligible. Charging stops are 20 minutes every 2.5 hours of driving. Considering very few people are taking 5+ hour trips without stopping for gas, or food, or bathroom breaks at least once, you're looking at a few minutes of extra time at most. I drove my Tesla from DC to Savannah recently and it added 1 hour to a 10 hour trip. Considering I ate while I was charging really it was only about 30 minutes more than a gas car would have taken assuming they stopped for a meal along the way. That's nothing.

Charging infrastructure is also a nonissue unless you're going somewhere incredibly remote. Every interstate in the country has enough coverage to get you from one charger to the next with battery to spare. Dense corridors like 95 have chargers every 10-15 miles. And since modern EVs have 200+ miles of range, even if you're going off-interstate, you'd have to go 100 miles into the wilderness before you didn't have enough charge to get back.

And battery fires are probably the dumbest thing to be worried about. They make the news because "new thing scary!" so every EV fire is a national story while zero gas fires are. As others have pointed out, EVs are safer than gas vehicles when it comes to fires.

Well, for those of us who have on-street parking or live in large apartment complexes, home charging is VERY relevant because it's not a possibility. That kills it for me right there. (There are literally millions of people throughout the country who face this problem.)

Two very close friends have visited me this summer in DMV -- one from Michigan and one from Massachusetts -- and both had problems with broken chargers on the route that significantly impacted their trip. A recent article in the WSJ by a writer who travelled from NOLA to Chicago and back and, because of broken chargers and other charging problems, spent more time trying to charge than sleeping overnight.

There will come a time when an adequate infrastructure will be in place -- but it isn't now.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people have no idea how people in other states and cities really live. DMV folks seem to have a very narrow view of the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) recharge time.

2) charging infrastructure.

3) battery fires.


In the near future, homeowners policies will specifically exclude/prohibit policy holders from keeping an EV inside a garage or structure attached to the home.

All three of these things are vastly overstated by non-ev owners.

Charging time at home is completely irrelevant - I plug it in whenever I get home and it's full whenever I leave. Every single one of us has at least 8 hours a day of free charging time, which is more than enough for any EV. Charging on a trip is also negligible. Charging stops are 20 minutes every 2.5 hours of driving. Considering very few people are taking 5+ hour trips without stopping for gas, or food, or bathroom breaks at least once, you're looking at a few minutes of extra time at most. I drove my Tesla from DC to Savannah recently and it added 1 hour to a 10 hour trip. Considering I ate while I was charging really it was only about 30 minutes more than a gas car would have taken assuming they stopped for a meal along the way. That's nothing.

Charging infrastructure is also a nonissue unless you're going somewhere incredibly remote. Every interstate in the country has enough coverage to get you from one charger to the next with battery to spare. Dense corridors like 95 have chargers every 10-15 miles. And since modern EVs have 200+ miles of range, even if you're going off-interstate, you'd have to go 100 miles into the wilderness before you didn't have enough charge to get back.

And battery fires are probably the dumbest thing to be worried about. They make the news because "new thing scary!" so every EV fire is a national story while zero gas fires are. As others have pointed out, EVs are safer than gas vehicles when it comes to fires.

Well, for those of us who have on-street parking or live in large apartment complexes, home charging is VERY relevant because it's not a possibility. That kills it for me right there. (There are literally millions of people throughout the country who face this problem.)

Two very close friends have visited me this summer in DMV -- one from Michigan and one from Massachusetts -- and both had problems with broken chargers on the route that significantly impacted their trip. A recent article in the WSJ by a writer who travelled from NOLA to Chicago and back and, because of broken chargers and other charging problems, spent more time trying to charge than sleeping overnight.

There will come a time when an adequate infrastructure will be in place -- but it isn't now.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people have no idea how people in other states and cities really live. DMV folks seem to have a very narrow view of the real world.

Three anectodal stories. I've lived and travelled all over the country so I'm not in a DC bubble. I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014) all over the country on multiple road trips, and I've lived in three cities with them, and I've NEVER encountered a broken charger. Seriously! Tesla has an enormous charging infrastructure. And I'm seeing EVGo and ChargePoints all over the country expanding like mad. I can charge my Tesla on any of them with the adapter.

More and more apartment and condo complexes are installing EV chargers. I have an apartment in LA and installed a charger in my parking spot. No big deal - there's a law in CA and many other states that prevents HOAs and apartment management from denying EV owners from installing chargers. There are also many streets in LA that have EV chargers right next to the parking meter.

It's the non-EV owners that have a narrow view of what's really out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:…I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014)…

Oh the irony! You’re really living the mantra of sustainability there, huh? And y’all are supposedly the ones worried about the planet? My family has three gasoline powered cars in the driveway, all older than 2012. Guess which one of us is doing more for the planet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:…I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014)…

Oh the irony! You’re really living the mantra of sustainability there, huh? And y’all are supposedly the ones worried about the planet? My family has three gasoline powered cars in the driveway, all older than 2012. Guess which one of us is doing more for the planet?

You know absolutely nothing about me, how I live, nor what I’m worried about. I was responding to a comment about broken chargers and the EV charging infrastructure in this country. Thank you for your great contribution to a discussion about EVs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:…I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014)…

Oh the irony! You’re really living the mantra of sustainability there, huh? And y’all are supposedly the ones worried about the planet? My family has three gasoline powered cars in the driveway, all older than 2012. Guess which one of us is doing more for the planet?

And this person haven’t had to have their EVs long enough to have problems. Three EVs in 8 years, eye roll

[Anonymous]

^It's crazy, but it almost sounds like you're rooting for this technology to fail. Why is that?

We've had two EVs since 2018. But we're not replacing cars with them. We had to buy a second for her now teenage driving son.

Maybe don't hop on the attack for someone who's explaining why charging on the road isn't always an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:…I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014)…

Oh the irony! You’re really living the mantra of sustainability there, huh? And y’all are supposedly the ones worried about the planet? My family has three gasoline powered cars in the driveway, all older than 2012. Guess which one of us is doing more for the planet?

I'm not the PP, I'm the one who's had two EVs since 2018. We replaced our 1998 Toyota that was no longer passing emissions with an EV in 2018 and just bought a new one for our son who is now driving.

Some of you make a lot of assumptions without any knowledge. Not sure why you go on a personal attack for what is a discussion about cars