Besides cost, what keeps you from buying an EV?

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Anonymous wrote:Who gives a sh*t about how quickly it gets to 100mph? If you’re driving like that you shouldn’t be on the damn road.

Idiot drivers.

Same. I think my VW ID.4 does that in 8-9 seconds, maybe? But I really don’t care if it’s “slower” than the Tesla. I’m never going to use that, because I’m mostly driving to work, the grocery store, etc. It has a plenty of pickup for merging on the beltway.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric cars - the biggest scam the world has ever seen?

Has anyone ever thought about this?

"If all cars were electric...

And if we were stuck in a three hour traffic jam in the cold of a blizzard, the batteries would completely die.

Because electric cars basically don’t have heating.

And being stuck on the street all night, no battery, no heating, no wipers, no radio, no GPS, the battery is long dead.

You can try to call ambulance and protect women and children but they can't come to help because all roads are closed and probably all police cars will be electric.

And when the roads are blocked by thousands of loaded cars, no one will be able to proceed. How to charge batteries on site?

The same problem during the summer vacation is the traffic jams for miles.

The possibility of turning on the air conditioning in an electric car would not be available only for a short period of time. Your batteries would die in an instant!

Of course, no politician or journalist talks about it, but this will happen.

Who to believe: a rando recycling the equivalent of an email forward from “that” uncle or engineers? https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-environment-ev-idUSL1N2RW0QD

Further? How did all of those gas-powered cars do getting stuck during snowpocalypse?

My gas powered Rubicon got me over the bank of snow that the plow left, off an exit ramp and from Spottsylvania to home on what might have been roads or perhaps not while all those Teslas and Priuses were stuck on 95. Back in the original snowpocalypse, my TJ got me home by driving up the median (with the blessing of a kind officer who probably had his own jeep at home) around a bunch of stuck cars.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric cars - the biggest scam the world has ever seen?

Has anyone ever thought about this?

"If all cars were electric...

And if we were stuck in a three hour traffic jam in the cold of a blizzard, the batteries would completely die.

Because electric cars basically don’t have heating.

And being stuck on the street all night, no battery, no heating, no wipers, no radio, no GPS, the battery is long dead.

You can try to call ambulance and protect women and children but they can't come to help because all roads are closed and probably all police cars will be electric.

And when the roads are blocked by thousands of loaded cars, no one will be able to proceed. How to charge batteries on site?

The same problem during the summer vacation is the traffic jams for miles.

The possibility of turning on the air conditioning in an electric car would not be available only for a short period of time. Your batteries would die in an instant!

Of course, no politician or journalist talks about it, but this will happen.

Who to believe: a rando recycling the equivalent of an email forward from “that” uncle or engineers? https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-environment-ev-idUSL1N2RW0QD

Further? How did all of those gas-powered cars do getting stuck during snowpocalypse?

If my EV is fully charged it can go 40 hrs with heat on. Probably longer if we only used the heater intermittently.

The issue is that most of these people didn’t have a full tank or full charge - they were mid-trip.

So, the moral is, keep your tanks/batteries full at all times in case of zombie apocalypse.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric cars - the biggest scam the world has ever seen?

Has anyone ever thought about this?

"If all cars were electric...

And if we were stuck in a three hour traffic jam in the cold of a blizzard, the batteries would completely die.

Because electric cars basically don’t have heating.

And being stuck on the street all night, no battery, no heating, no wipers, no radio, no GPS, the battery is long dead.

You can try to call ambulance and protect women and children but they can't come to help because all roads are closed and probably all police cars will be electric.

And when the roads are blocked by thousands of loaded cars, no one will be able to proceed. How to charge batteries on site?

The same problem during the summer vacation is the traffic jams for miles.

The possibility of turning on the air conditioning in an electric car would not be available only for a short period of time. Your batteries would die in an instant!

Of course, no politician or journalist talks about it, but this will happen.

Who to believe: a rando recycling the equivalent of an email forward from “that” uncle or engineers? https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-environment-ev-idUSL1N2RW0QD

Further? How did all of those gas-powered cars do getting stuck during snowpocalypse?

My gas powered Rubicon got me over the bank of snow that the plow left, off an exit ramp and from Spottsylvania to home on what might have been roads or perhaps not while all those Teslas and Priuses were stuck on 95. Back in the original snowpocalypse, my TJ got me home by driving up the median (with the blessing of a kind officer who probably had his own jeep at home) around a bunch of stuck cars.

Did you lock the diffs or do it open/open?

My TJ had a spool in the rear and a Detroit up front, so it was locked 100% of the time, lolz

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Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

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FYI dearie, Poors can’t pay cash for cars that do 0-100 in under 6 seconds. Poors finance their cars for 72-96 months at 12%

As a reason for not buying an EV, the PP said "I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle." Meaning (s)he can't pay cash for it.

PP probably meant 100km/h.

Yes, anyone who finances a car at 12% for EIGHT years is dumb and likely poor.

Yeah, I refuse to go into debt for a vehicle too. Because I’m smart. The only thing I finance is my home. When I need a car, I give them a cashiers check and leave with it.

Re-read what the PP said . That’s an expensive car with that kind of performance (5.7L V8 and 0-100 in 6 probably means either a GM or Dodge, likely a Vette or a Challenger)

S/he’s able to pay $70-$100k cash for a car 99% of people would finance, and you still think that’s an indicator of poverty?

Good grief you’re dense.

Challenger? Snort.

Maybe she wasn't so poor when she got that car. Could be ancient. PP brought up her own financial situation as a reason why she won't get an EV. That, and she doesn't like EVs.

Who even references 0-100 speed? I had to look mine up. 4.3 according to MT.

There was an EV class for the Pike’s Peak Challenge the last few years. All Model 3’s IIRC. Basically stock drivelines, with the interior ripped out and a cage welded in, with proper tires.

They did ok overall, competitive against ICE race cars in similar classes.
And how many times is your P100 Plaid able to do that on a charge?

3? 4?

A Hellcat or Vette will do that all day long.

I haven't tried personally with my Model S Plaid, but this guy doesn't seem to have any trouble crushing it over and over again.

How many years did it take Tesla to post a Nurburgring time without the car going into limp mode?

^^^ This ^^^

Funny how those goal posts keep moving.

For an accurate comparison we need to wait until we see one kitted out for that track.

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Anonymous wrote:1) recharge time.

2) charging infrastructure.

3) battery fires.


In the near future, homeowners policies will specifically exclude/prohibit policy holders from keeping an EV inside a garage or structure attached to the home.

All three of these things are vastly overstated by non-ev owners.

Charging time at home is completely irrelevant - I plug it in whenever I get home and it's full whenever I leave. Every single one of us has at least 8 hours a day of free charging time, which is more than enough for any EV. Charging on a trip is also negligible. Charging stops are 20 minutes every 2.5 hours of driving. Considering very few people are taking 5+ hour trips without stopping for gas, or food, or bathroom breaks at least once, you're looking at a few minutes of extra time at most. I drove my Tesla from DC to Savannah recently and it added 1 hour to a 10 hour trip. Considering I ate while I was charging really it was only about 30 minutes more than a gas car would have taken assuming they stopped for a meal along the way. That's nothing.



Charging infrastructure is also a nonissue unless you're going somewhere incredibly remote. Every interstate in the country has enough coverage to get you from one charger to the next with battery to spare. Dense corridors like 95 have chargers every 10-15 miles. And since modern EVs have 200+ miles of range, even if you're going off-interstate, you'd have to go 100 miles into the wilderness before you didn't have enough charge to get back.

And battery fires are probably the dumbest thing to be worried about. They make the news because "new thing scary!" so every EV fire is a national story while zero gas fires are. As others have pointed out, EVs are safer than gas vehicles when it comes to fires.

Well, for those of us who have on-street parking or live in large apartment complexes, home charging is VERY relevant because it's not a possibility. That kills it for me right there. (There are literally millions of people throughout the country who face this problem.)

Two very close friends have visited me this summer in DMV -- one from Michigan and one from Massachusetts -- and both had problems with broken chargers on the route that significantly impacted their trip. A recent article in the WSJ by a writer who travelled from NOLA to Chicago and back and, because of broken chargers and other charging problems, spent more time trying to charge than sleeping overnight.

There will come a time when an adequate infrastructure will be in place -- but it isn't now.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people have no idea how people in other states and cities really live. DMV folks seem to have a very narrow view of the real world.

Three anectodal stories. I've lived and travelled all over the country so I'm not in a DC bubble. I'll add my own story. I've driven my Telsas (I've had three now since 2014) all over the country on multiple road trips, and I've lived in three cities with them, and I've NEVER encountered a broken charger. Seriously! Tesla has an enormous charging infrastructure. And I'm seeing EVGo and ChargePoints all over the country expanding like mad. I can charge my Tesla on any of them with the adapter.

More and more apartment and condo complexes are installing EV chargers. I have an apartment in LA and installed a charger in my parking spot. No big deal - there's a law in CA and many other states that prevents HOAs and apartment management from denying EV owners from installing chargers. There are also many streets in LA that have EV chargers right next to the parking meter.

It's the non-EV owners that have a narrow view of what's really out there.

The Tesla charging network is solid - especially along the 95 corridor. Telsa range is getting better but still annoying for long distance road trips.

The non-Tesla charging networks suck. Some large gaps in coverage. Slow chargers. And non-Tesla range generally sucks.

PP’s anecdotes may have been non-Tesla EVs. /quote]

The current issue of WIRED Magazine has an article about the unreliability of the charging network throughout the country. It's an eye-opener for those looking for data and not relying on anecdotal evidence.

As for apartment complexes, I live in one with 12 buildings (over 300 apartments) and unassigned parking. That is the typical size in the area in which I live. Management at my complex has no current plans to install chargers and there is currently no state law requiring that they do (I'm in Delaware -- kind of ironic, eh?). Many parts of this area, including Wilmington, are made up of old neighborhoods with no driveways/off street parking. In New Castle County where I (and Joe Biden) live, there are not enough chargers to support an increase in EVs on the road.

I look at my hometown of Detroit where, again, tens of thousands of residents have no driveways/garages. In many cities, the lower-income people will have little access to chargers and companies will have little incentive to place them in areas where vandalism and theft can be a problem.

Again, when people talk about EVs, they're thinking about MC and UMC people/neighborhoods that don't reflect how literally millions of people in this country live.

EVs will grow in number, but it will take time and serious planning.

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Anonymous wrote:I drive a 5.7L V8 that goes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds. Paid cash for it, as I always do. I refuse to drive an electric vehicle. I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle. To each, his own.

So your reasons for not buying an EV are that you’re poor and anti-EV. So great that you chimed in.

DP

FYI dearie, Poors can’t pay cash for cars that do 0-100 in under 6 seconds. Poors finance their cars for 72-96 months at 12%

As a reason for not buying an EV, the PP said "I refuse to go in debt for any vehicle." Meaning (s)he can't pay cash for it.

PP probably meant 100km/h.

Yes, anyone who finances a car at 12% for EIGHT years is dumb and likely poor.

Yeah, I refuse to go into debt for a vehicle too. Because I’m smart. The only thing I finance is my home. When I need a car, I give them a cashiers check and leave with it.

Re-read what the PP said . That’s an expensive car with that kind of performance (5.7L V8 and 0-100 in 6 probably means either a GM or Dodge, likely a Vette or a Challenger)

S/he’s able to pay $70-$100k cash for a car 99% of people would finance, and you still think that’s an indicator of poverty?

Good grief you’re dense.

lol, people laugh at and make fun of Dodges especially trashy challengers.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric cars - the biggest scam the world has ever seen?

Has anyone ever thought about this?

"If all cars were electric...

And if we were stuck in a three hour traffic jam in the cold of a blizzard, the batteries would completely die.

Because electric cars basically don’t have heating.

And being stuck on the street all night, no battery, no heating, no wipers, no radio, no GPS, the battery is long dead.

You can try to call ambulance and protect women and children but they can't come to help because all roads are closed and probably all police cars will be electric.

And when the roads are blocked by thousands of loaded cars, no one will be able to proceed. How to charge batteries on site?

The same problem during the summer vacation is the traffic jams for miles.

The possibility of turning on the air conditioning in an electric car would not be available only for a short period of time. Your batteries would die in an instant!

Of course, no politician or journalist talks about it, but this will happen.

Who to believe: a rando recycling the equivalent of an email forward from “that” uncle or engineers? https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-environment-ev-idUSL1N2RW0QD

Further? How did all of those gas-powered cars do getting stuck during snowpocalypse?

My gas powered Rubicon got me over the bank of snow that the plow left, off an exit ramp and from Spottsylvania to home on what might have been roads or perhaps not while all those Teslas and Priuses were stuck on 95. Back in the original snowpocalypse, my TJ got me home by driving up the median (with the blessing of a kind officer who probably had his own jeep at home) around a bunch of stuck cars.

Jeeps are widely understood to be joke cars for teen girls and the insecure, with the Rubicon being especially silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Only having street parking. No driveway. Even if I installed a charging station in front of my house sometimes I can’t get that parking spot.

Same here. I know one person that installed a charging station in front of their house but they are on a corner, both WFH, and are longtime residents I think the neighbors just know not to park there. Whereas we have a bunch of renters on our street that are always throwing house parties and I can probably only park in front of our house 50% of the time. I'd consider if we had a driveway.

We are a few years out from needing a new car but will probably explore hybrid options at that time.

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Would never by an EV as that's just giving up on the fun of driving. And you look like a turd inside an EV. Leave EVs for the soccer moms and elderly.

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Anonymous wrote:Would never by an EV as that's just giving up on the fun of driving. And you look like a turd inside an EV. Leave EVs for the soccer moms and elderly.

Bored middle schooler?

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Anonymous wrote:Would never by an EV as that's just giving up on the fun of driving. And you look like a turd inside an EV. Leave EVs for the soccer moms and elderly.

Bored middle schooler?

Someone who thinks EVs are no fun has never driven one. Teslas in sport mode are insane. A capacitor is always going to be able to discharge faster than an ICE.

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Anonymous wrote:Would never by an EV as that's just giving up on the fun of driving. And you look like a turd inside an EV. Leave EVs for the soccer moms and elderly.

Bored middle schooler?

Someone who thinks EVs are no fun has never driven one. Teslas in sport mode are insane. A capacitor is always going to be able to discharge faster than an ICE.

Not after the second or third time you stomp on the pedal. Full response accelerating time after time for gas unlike EVs. And who wants something without some noise. Boring cars.

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Anonymous wrote:Would never by an EV as that's just giving up on the fun of driving. And you look like a turd inside an EV. Leave EVs for the soccer moms and elderly.

Bored middle schooler?

Someone who thinks EVs are no fun has never driven one. Teslas in sport mode are insane. A capacitor is always going to be able to discharge faster than an ICE.

Not after the second or third time you stomp on the pedal. Full response accelerating time after time for gas unlike EVs. And who wants something without some noise. Boring cars.

Sounds like you’ve never driven a good EV before.

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Anonymous wrote:Who gives a sh*t about how quickly it gets to 100mph? If you’re driving like that you shouldn’t be on the damn road.

Idiot drivers.

Enjoy your Corolla.

Enjoy wasting your money on the stupidest thing you can throw money at…an expensive “performance car”.

Idiot.