Trap neighbors' cats and send them to the pound? Sick and tired of cats s****ing in our yard

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Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.

The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.

When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.

If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.

LOL. No.

+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.

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Anonymous wrote:Training a cat? That’s hilarious

Clearly you are no Jack Burns.

Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.

What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents

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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.

You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.

It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”

https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/cats-vs-rats-nope-03102018/amp/

Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.

Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.

Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”

PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."

I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.

And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.

And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?

I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.

You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?

1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.

Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.

I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.

Such bad logic.

1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.

Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.

2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?

Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.

I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?

“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.

You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.

1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.

The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.

When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.

If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.

LOL. No.

+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.

MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.

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This response is completely irrational. You are reading into things that were never said and leaving out things that were. If I wanted to argue with someone who was hyperbolic and immature I would talk to my tween. Instead I will be enjoying my INDOOR cats...oh right I never ever said I supported cats going outside.

So, just more insults / ad hominems and zero actual content. Exactly what we’ve come to expect from you.

You still have no response to the questions you were asked about why OP should have to buy sprinklers, or why somebody ranting online about wanting to kill a cat is somehow worse than an actual cat owner letting her actual cat wreck actual peoples’ gardens and actually, IRL, kill hundreds of actual small mammals and birds. Looks like you have no good answers, just more childish insults.

And, clearly you can no longer defend your bizarre, hyperbolic, immature claims about OP “killing” the cat or OP’s cat maybe, nobody knows, not hunting. So again you let loose with ad hominems.

I too have an indoor cat.

Ask your indoor cat why ad hominems are cheap and make you look bad. You are a child. Good night.

NP here.

You sound crazy and unhinged.

Oh look, another crazy cat lady with no arguments, just more insults.

PP here.

No, I'm not another crazy cat lady because I don't have any cats. But to me, you are the one who sounds crazy from reading your comments. Nobody else, just you.

If wanting to protect wildlife from nonnative predators (cats) and trying to get people to stem the 30% decline in birds makes me crazy, I’ll own it. Sorry you don’t care, maybe it’s your politics.

I’m the sane one here—trying to good.

You’re just popping onto threads to add zero content and just insult people—have you tried talking to a professional about your anger/trolling problem?

As I rarely post, no, I haven't tried talking a professional about any sort of trolling problem that you think I might have but maybe you yourself should look into talking to someone. All you seem to do is argue and post links to websites. None of them would make me keep a cat indoors, if I had one.

Oh look, even more insults and zero content. The definition of a troll.

If you don’t do science and websites with science, you’re not worth talking to. Bye.

Trolling=insults and lack of content. That’s you.

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Anonymous wrote:Training a cat? That’s hilarious

Clearly you are no Jack Burns.

Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.

What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents

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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.

You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.

It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”

https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/cats-vs-rats-nope-03102018/amp/

Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.

Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.

Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”

PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."

I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.

And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.

And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?

I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.

You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?

1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.

Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.

I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.

Such bad logic.

1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.

Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.

2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?

Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.

I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?

“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.

You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.

1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)

Bringing a cat to a shelter means surrendering them for euthanasia - so yes, that is harming a cat. And since most shelters aren't going to accept cats this way, then her other alternative is to give the cats away, or bring them to a vet for euthanasia. And in both cases, this is harming the cats and stealing the neighbor's property. She should expect repercussions.

I am not going to argue with you about birds. Bird people just want to kill cats - regardless of the fact that this is inhumane and ineffective. You kill this cat, another comes in to take their place. The only humane and effective method of outdoor cat control is through community cat management programs.

And OP has to buy a sprinkler and talk to her neighbor because she is so upset by this situation. A situation she seems to have blown utterly out of hand. Just like you can't keep squirrels off your yard, you can't prevent cats from spending time in your yard - but if you really want to try, you have to actually try.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.

The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.

When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.

If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.

LOL. No.

+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.

MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.

They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?

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This response is completely irrational. You are reading into things that were never said and leaving out things that were. If I wanted to argue with someone who was hyperbolic and immature I would talk to my tween. Instead I will be enjoying my INDOOR cats...oh right I never ever said I supported cats going outside.

So, just more insults / ad hominems and zero actual content. Exactly what we’ve come to expect from you.

You still have no response to the questions you were asked about why OP should have to buy sprinklers, or why somebody ranting online about wanting to kill a cat is somehow worse than an actual cat owner letting her actual cat wreck actual peoples’ gardens and actually, IRL, kill hundreds of actual small mammals and birds. Looks like you have no good answers, just more childish insults.

And, clearly you can no longer defend your bizarre, hyperbolic, immature claims about OP “killing” the cat or OP’s cat maybe, nobody knows, not hunting. So again you let loose with ad hominems.

I too have an indoor cat.

Ask your indoor cat why ad hominems are cheap and make you look bad. You are a child. Good night.

NP here.

You sound crazy and unhinged.

Oh look, another crazy cat lady with no arguments, just more insults.

PP here.

No, I'm not another crazy cat lady because I don't have any cats. But to me, you are the one who sounds crazy from reading your comments. Nobody else, just you.

If wanting to protect wildlife from nonnative predators (cats) and trying to get people to stem the 30% decline in birds makes me crazy, I’ll own it. Sorry you don’t care, maybe it’s your politics.

I’m the sane one here—trying to good.

You’re just popping onto threads to add zero content and just insult people—have you tried talking to a professional about your anger/trolling problem?

As I rarely post, no, I haven't tried talking a professional about any sort of trolling problem that you think I might have but maybe you yourself should look into talking to someone. All you seem to do is argue and post links to websites. None of them would make me keep a cat indoors, if I had one.

Oh look, even more insults and zero content. The definition of a troll.

If you don’t do science and websites with science, you’re not worth talking to. Bye.

Trolling=insults and lack of content. That’s you.

It's OK with me that you call me a troll. I'm good with that. You think of me as a troll I think of you as a c*#t.

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This response is completely irrational. You are reading into things that were never said and leaving out things that were. If I wanted to argue with someone who was hyperbolic and immature I would talk to my tween. Instead I will be enjoying my INDOOR cats...oh right I never ever said I supported cats going outside.

So, just more insults / ad hominems and zero actual content. Exactly what we’ve come to expect from you.

You still have no response to the questions you were asked about why OP should have to buy sprinklers, or why somebody ranting online about wanting to kill a cat is somehow worse than an actual cat owner letting her actual cat wreck actual peoples’ gardens and actually, IRL, kill hundreds of actual small mammals and birds. Looks like you have no good answers, just more childish insults.

And, clearly you can no longer defend your bizarre, hyperbolic, immature claims about OP “killing” the cat or OP’s cat maybe, nobody knows, not hunting. So again you let loose with ad hominems.

I too have an indoor cat.

Ask your indoor cat why ad hominems are cheap and make you look bad. You are a child. Good night.

NP here.

You sound crazy and unhinged.

Oh look, another crazy cat lady with no arguments, just more insults.

PP here.

No, I'm not another crazy cat lady because I don't have any cats. But to me, you are the one who sounds crazy from reading your comments. Nobody else, just you.

If wanting to protect wildlife from nonnative predators (cats) and trying to get people to stem the 30% decline in birds makes me crazy, I’ll own it. Sorry you don’t care, maybe it’s your politics.

I’m the sane one here—trying to good.

You’re just popping onto threads to add zero content and just insult people—have you tried talking to a professional about your anger/trolling problem?

As I rarely post, no, I haven't tried talking a professional about any sort of trolling problem that you think I might have but maybe you yourself should look into talking to someone. All you seem to do is argue and post links to websites. None of them would make me keep a cat indoors, if I had one.

Oh look, even more insults and zero content. The definition of a troll.

If you don’t do science and websites with science, you’re not worth talking to. Bye.

Trolling=insults and lack of content. That’s you.

It's OK with me that you call me a troll. I'm good with that. You think of me as a troll I think of you as a c*#t.

You’re adorable. Are you 12? I think of your as a foul-mouthed troll who hates nature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.

The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.

When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.

If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.

LOL. No.

+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.

MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.

They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?

Nope. You’re insane. They do this for “nuisance animals” according to the statute.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.

The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.

When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.

If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.

LOL. No.

+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.

MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.

They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?

Nope. You’re insane. They do this for “nuisance animals” according to the statute.

a neighbor’s pet behaving normally is not a nuisance animal.

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Anonymous wrote:Training a cat? That’s hilarious

Clearly you are no Jack Burns.

Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.

What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents

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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.

You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.

It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”

https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/cats-vs-rats-nope-03102018/amp/

Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.

Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.

Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”

PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."

I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.

And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.

And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?

I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.

You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?

1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.

Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.

I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.

Such bad logic.

1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.

Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.

2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?

Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.

I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?

“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.

You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.

1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)

Bringing a cat to a shelter means surrendering them for euthanasia - so yes, that is harming a cat. And since most shelters aren't going to accept cats this way, then her other alternative is to give the cats away, or bring them to a vet for euthanasia. And in both cases, this is harming the cats and stealing the neighbor's property. She should expect repercussions.

I am not going to argue with you about birds. Bird people just want to kill cats - regardless of the fact that this is inhumane and ineffective. You kill this cat, another comes in to take their place. The only humane and effective method of outdoor cat control is through community cat management programs.

And OP has to buy a sprinkler and talk to her neighbor because she is so upset by this situation. A situation she seems to have blown utterly out of hand. Just like you can't keep squirrels off your yard, you can't prevent cats from spending time in your yard - but if you really want to try, you have to actually try.

You keep making up utter BS.
— yes, shelters will accept cats.
— no, bringing a cat to a shelter doesn’t automatically mean euthanasia. Ever hear of no-kill shelters? Plus, if the cat owner has tagged their cat, every shelter will just call and say “come pick up your cat and pay us $100.” A pretty good outcome.
— how did your mind go from taking a cat to the shelter to giving it away or taking it to a vet for euthanasia? Does your mind really work that strangely?
— bird people don’t “just want to kill cats”—with that, you outed yourself as a TNR freak. (And OT, but I have an indoor cat.) Bird people just want to stop the 30% decline so far in birds—can you see the difference, or can your mind not grasp the distinction?
— TNR programs are NOT effective. Multiple studies have shown you need to neuter/spay 80-90% of colony cats to start reducing populations, and the vast majority of TNR programs never get close.
— this is not OP’s fault, it’s the cat owner’s fault. Why should OP pay for somebody else’s cat? You still have no good answer besides blaming OP. Nice….

You’re way too invested in TNR, as evidenced in your language around “bird people” and “community cats.”

Are you afraid that if outdoor housecats are banned then TNR will be next? Because nobody’s said that here. But wow, the mere suggestion of keeping cats inside sent you into a frenzy of shrill insults and bizarre lies.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.

The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.

When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.

If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.

LOL. No.

+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.

MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.

They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?

Nope. You’re insane. They do this for “nuisance animals” according to the statute.

a neighbor’s pet behaving normally is not a nuisance animal.

MoCo has regulations about cats pooping outside the owner’s yard. It’s actually illegal and and subject to a $100 fine. Also, a cat can’t “trespass” on someone else’s property without permission. Other counties have regs too. So yes, the cat is a go***mn nuisance. Your cat is not as cute as you think.

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As a true, bona fide cat lover 😻 OP, I can see why + how you are annoyed.

My cats are indoor only cats & I would never permit them to bother my neighbors such as this.

People who let their cats roam into other people’s yards are irresponsible and careless pet owners.

Can you speak directly to your neighbors and kindly tell them how annoying it is that their cats are allowed to get into your backyard and poop in your garden?
Hopefully they will keep their cats indoors after hearing how you feel about this.
I know I would…….

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Wow, I have a neighbor who has an outdoor cat that has actually walked into my house when I've had the patio door open. I would never think of putting it into a cage and taking it to a shelter. Some of you are so uptight.

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Anonymous wrote:Training a cat? That’s hilarious

Clearly you are no Jack Burns.

Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.

What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents

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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.

You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.

It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”

https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/cats-vs-rats-nope-03102018/amp/

Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.

Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.

Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”

PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."

I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.

And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.

And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?

I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.

You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?

1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.

Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.

I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.

Such bad logic.

1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.

Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.

2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?

Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.

I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?

“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.

You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.

1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)

Bringing a cat to a shelter means surrendering them for euthanasia - so yes, that is harming a cat. And since most shelters aren't going to accept cats this way, then her other alternative is to give the cats away, or bring them to a vet for euthanasia. And in both cases, this is harming the cats and stealing the neighbor's property. She should expect repercussions.

I am not going to argue with you about birds. Bird people just want to kill cats - regardless of the fact that this is inhumane and ineffective. You kill this cat, another comes in to take their place. The only humane and effective method of outdoor cat control is through community cat management programs.

And OP has to buy a sprinkler and talk to her neighbor because she is so upset by this situation. A situation she seems to have blown utterly out of hand. Just like you can't keep squirrels off your yard, you can't prevent cats from spending time in your yard - but if you really want to try, you have to actually try.

You keep making up utter BS.
— yes, shelters will accept cats.
— no, bringing a cat to a shelter doesn’t automatically mean euthanasia. Ever hear of no-kill shelters? Plus, if the cat owner has tagged their cat, every shelter will just call and say “come pick up your cat and pay us $100.” A pretty good outcome.
— how did your mind go from taking a cat to the shelter to giving it away or taking it to a vet for euthanasia? Does your mind really work that strangely?
— bird people don’t “just want to kill cats”—with that, you outed yourself as a TNR freak. (And OT, but I have an indoor cat.) Bird people just want to stop the 30% decline so far in birds—can you see the difference, or can your mind not grasp the distinction?
— TNR programs are NOT effective. Multiple studies have shown you need to neuter/spay 80-90% of colony cats to start reducing populations, and the vast majority of TNR programs never get close.
— this is not OP’s fault, it’s the cat owner’s fault. Why should OP pay for somebody else’s cat? You still have no good answer besides blaming OP. Nice….

You’re way too invested in TNR, as evidenced in your language around “bird people” and “community cats.”

Are you afraid that if outdoor housecats are banned then TNR will be next? Because nobody’s said that here. But wow, the mere suggestion of keeping cats inside sent you into a frenzy of shrill insults and bizarre lies.

No kill shelters don't have room for your neighbor's cats. Your only option is a county or municipal shelter, and shelters are so full right now that any cat brought as an "owner surrender" is immediately at risk of euthanasia - and the shelter will only take these cats if you lie and say they are yours. They will not take someone else's cat. I work in this field. You are going to have to trust me, there is no special no kill shelter out in the country ready to take your neighbor's stolen cats.

And yes I read all the TNR studies. You are wrong.

Again: OP has to deal with this because OP is unhappy, and there is no prohibition on letting a cat be outside sometimes and inside sometimes. She can petition her community to put in place an ordinance prohibiting pet cats from being outside but without that, yeah, she's going to have to live with this and figure out how to manage this in a way that is legal.