Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.
The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.
When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.
If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.
LOL. No.
+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.
MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.
They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?
Nope. You’re insane. They do this for “nuisance animals” according to the statute.
a neighbor’s pet behaving normally is not a nuisance animal.
MoCo has regulations about cats pooping outside the owner’s yard. It’s actually illegal and and subject to a $100 fine. Also, a cat can’t “trespass” on someone else’s property without permission. Other counties have regs too. So yes, the cat is a go***mn nuisance. Your cat is not as cute as you think.
So call animal control and ask them to fine the neighbor! Then the problem is solved, right?
You could also ask your neighbor to clean up any cat sh**.
Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.
What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents
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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.
You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.
It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”
Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.
Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.
Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”
PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."
I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.
And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.
And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?
I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.
You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?
1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.
Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.
I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.
Such bad logic.
1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.
Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.
2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?
Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.
I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?
“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.
You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.
1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)
Bringing a cat to a shelter means surrendering them for euthanasia - so yes, that is harming a cat. And since most shelters aren't going to accept cats this way, then her other alternative is to give the cats away, or bring them to a vet for euthanasia. And in both cases, this is harming the cats and stealing the neighbor's property. She should expect repercussions.
I am not going to argue with you about birds. Bird people just want to kill cats - regardless of the fact that this is inhumane and ineffective. You kill this cat, another comes in to take their place. The only humane and effective method of outdoor cat control is through community cat management programs.
And OP has to buy a sprinkler and talk to her neighbor because she is so upset by this situation. A situation she seems to have blown utterly out of hand. Just like you can't keep squirrels off your yard, you can't prevent cats from spending time in your yard - but if you really want to try, you have to actually try.
You keep making up utter BS.
— yes, shelters will accept cats.
— no, bringing a cat to a shelter doesn’t automatically mean euthanasia. Ever hear of no-kill shelters? Plus, if the cat owner has tagged their cat, every shelter will just call and say “come pick up your cat and pay us $100.” A pretty good outcome.
— how did your mind go from taking a cat to the shelter to giving it away or taking it to a vet for euthanasia? Does your mind really work that strangely?
— bird people don’t “just want to kill cats”—with that, you outed yourself as a TNR freak. (And OT, but I have an indoor cat.) Bird people just want to stop the 30% decline so far in birds—can you see the difference, or can your mind not grasp the distinction?
— TNR programs are NOT effective. Multiple studies have shown you need to neuter/spay 80-90% of colony cats to start reducing populations, and the vast majority of TNR programs never get close.
— this is not OP’s fault, it’s the cat owner’s fault. Why should OP pay for somebody else’s cat? You still have no good answer besides blaming OP. Nice….
You’re way too invested in TNR, as evidenced in your language around “bird people” and “community cats.”
Are you afraid that if outdoor housecats are banned then TNR will be next? Because nobody’s said that here. But wow, the mere suggestion of keeping cats inside sent you into a frenzy of shrill insults and bizarre lies.
No kill shelters don't have room for your neighbor's cats. Your only option is a county or municipal shelter, and shelters are so full right now that any cat brought as an "owner surrender" is immediately at risk of euthanasia - and the shelter will only take these cats if you lie and say they are yours. They will not take someone else's cat. I work in this field. You are going to have to trust me, there is no special no kill shelter out in the country ready to take your neighbor's stolen cats.
And yes I read all the TNR studies. You are wrong.
Again: OP has to deal with this because OP is unhappy, and there is no prohibition on letting a cat be outside sometimes and inside sometimes. She can petition her community to put in place an ordinance prohibiting pet cats from being outside but without that, yeah, she's going to have to live with this and figure out how to manage this in a way that is legal.
So you’re a TNR advocate. That clocks. It’s sad your behavior here (calling people c**nt and other insults, misdirecting with made-up scenarios about OP taking her neighbor’s cat to the vet to be euthanized) speaks so badly of people who do this work. (FWIW I don’t work on birds or wildlife, I’m in a totally different profession.)
You’re wrong about the TNR studies. You’re probably only reading the ones that get passed around your TNR circle, about the very few cases where a colony manager was able to spay/neuter over 80% of the cats. But those colonies are few and far between and the others continue to grow. There’s a name for this: confirmation bias.
How many times do we have to repeat that many counties DO have a prohibition on housecats that poop in a neighbor’s yard? The fact that you try to recast this as “no prohibition on letting a cat go outside” is …surprising and a tad dishonest. Take MoCo and Fairfax, for starters—I haven’t looked at other counties. In MoCo, you get fined $100 if your cat “trespasses” on a neighbor’s yard without that neighbor’s permission. And you get fined another $100 if your cat poops there.
TBH I don’t trust you re the shelters, after all the distortions you’ve already posted here. Even a kill shelter will call the owner on the tag, and will also keep a cat a few weeks, enough time for the neighbor to find it.
Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.
The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.
When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.
If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.
LOL. No.
+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.
MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.
They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?
Nope. You’re insane. They do this for “nuisance animals” according to the statute.
a neighbor’s pet behaving normally is not a nuisance animal.
MoCo has regulations about cats pooping outside the owner’s yard. It’s actually illegal and and subject to a $100 fine. Also, a cat can’t “trespass” on someone else’s property without permission. Other counties have regs too. So yes, the cat is a go***mn nuisance. Your cat is not as cute as you think.
So call animal control and ask them to fine the neighbor! Then the problem is solved, right?
You could also ask your neighbor to clean up any cat sh**.
Yes. It might take a few fines for the cat owner to get the picture.
The poster who keeps blaming OP for being irrational and hysterical is a piece of work.
Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.
What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents
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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.
You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.
It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”
Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.
Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.
Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”
PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."
I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.
And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.
And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?
I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.
You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?
1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.
Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.
I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.
Such bad logic.
1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.
Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.
2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?
Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.
I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?
“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.
You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.
1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)
Bringing a cat to a shelter means surrendering them for euthanasia - so yes, that is harming a cat. And since most shelters aren't going to accept cats this way, then her other alternative is to give the cats away, or bring them to a vet for euthanasia. And in both cases, this is harming the cats and stealing the neighbor's property. She should expect repercussions.
I am not going to argue with you about birds. Bird people just want to kill cats - regardless of the fact that this is inhumane and ineffective. You kill this cat, another comes in to take their place. The only humane and effective method of outdoor cat control is through community cat management programs.
And OP has to buy a sprinkler and talk to her neighbor because she is so upset by this situation. A situation she seems to have blown utterly out of hand. Just like you can't keep squirrels off your yard, you can't prevent cats from spending time in your yard - but if you really want to try, you have to actually try.
You keep making up utter BS.
— yes, shelters will accept cats.
— no, bringing a cat to a shelter doesn’t automatically mean euthanasia. Ever hear of no-kill shelters? Plus, if the cat owner has tagged their cat, every shelter will just call and say “come pick up your cat and pay us $100.” A pretty good outcome.
— how did your mind go from taking a cat to the shelter to giving it away or taking it to a vet for euthanasia? Does your mind really work that strangely?
— bird people don’t “just want to kill cats”—with that, you outed yourself as a TNR freak. (And OT, but I have an indoor cat.) Bird people just want to stop the 30% decline so far in birds—can you see the difference, or can your mind not grasp the distinction?
— TNR programs are NOT effective. Multiple studies have shown you need to neuter/spay 80-90% of colony cats to start reducing populations, and the vast majority of TNR programs never get close.
— this is not OP’s fault, it’s the cat owner’s fault. Why should OP pay for somebody else’s cat? You still have no good answer besides blaming OP. Nice….
You’re way too invested in TNR, as evidenced in your language around “bird people” and “community cats.”
Are you afraid that if outdoor housecats are banned then TNR will be next? Because nobody’s said that here. But wow, the mere suggestion of keeping cats inside sent you into a frenzy of shrill insults and bizarre lies.
No kill shelters don't have room for your neighbor's cats. Your only option is a county or municipal shelter, and shelters are so full right now that any cat brought as an "owner surrender" is immediately at risk of euthanasia - and the shelter will only take these cats if you lie and say they are yours. They will not take someone else's cat. I work in this field. You are going to have to trust me, there is no special no kill shelter out in the country ready to take your neighbor's stolen cats.
And yes I read all the TNR studies. You are wrong.
Again: OP has to deal with this because OP is unhappy, and there is no prohibition on letting a cat be outside sometimes and inside sometimes. She can petition her community to put in place an ordinance prohibiting pet cats from being outside but without that, yeah, she's going to have to live with this and figure out how to manage this in a way that is legal.
So you’re a TNR advocate. That clocks. It’s sad your behavior here (calling people c**nt and other insults, misdirecting with made-up scenarios about OP taking her neighbor’s cat to the vet to be euthanized) speaks so badly of people who do this work. (FWIW I don’t work on birds or wildlife, I’m in a totally different profession.)
You’re wrong about the TNR studies. You’re probably only reading the ones that get passed around your TNR circle, about the very few cases where a colony manager was able to spay/neuter over 80% of the cats. But those colonies are few and far between and the others continue to grow. There’s a name for this: confirmation bias.
How many times do we have to repeat that many counties DO have a prohibition on housecats that poop in a neighbor’s yard? The fact that you try to recast this as “no prohibition on letting a cat go outside” is …surprising and a tad dishonest. Take MoCo and Fairfax, for starters—I haven’t looked at other counties. In MoCo, you get fined $100 if your cat “trespasses” on a neighbor’s yard without that neighbor’s permission. And you get fined another $100 if your cat poops there.
TBH I don’t trust you re the shelters, after all the distortions you’ve already posted here. Even a kill shelter will call the owner on the tag, and will also keep a cat a few weeks, enough time for the neighbor to find it.
You are confusing me for someone else. I didn't call anyone names. You've responded nastily to my couple of posts on this thread.
I tell you what. Go call around and ask all those shelters if they would take a cat in these circumstances. I look forward to your answer.
I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
I met someone once years ago who did this too. Didn’t kill the cats that were pooping in his yard or even make a fuss. Just trapped them and dumped them 20 miles away. He was proud of it and said it solved his problem. I’ve never forgotten the conversation.
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
I met someone once years ago who did this too. Didn’t kill the cats that were pooping in his yard or even make a fuss. Just trapped them and dumped them 20 miles away. He was proud of it and said it solved his problem. I’ve never forgotten the conversation.
I’m the pp. I guess this is a thing! I don’t think our neighbor’s cats survives where they are dumped. Too many predators and not enough people in the area. Or who knows, maybe they do.
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
I met someone once years ago who did this too. Didn’t kill the cats that were pooping in his yard or even make a fuss. Just trapped them and dumped them 20 miles away. He was proud of it and said it solved his problem. I’ve never forgotten the conversation.
Did this person live in Florida? I had a coworker when I was in Florida who did exactly the same thing.
Anyways, even though I currently don't have a cat, if I had one and it somehow got out of my house, disappeared and I even suspected that a neighbor had caught it and dumped it miles away, me and that neighbor are done. If I saw them being mugged or saw their house burning down I wouldn't go out of my way to help them in any way. People want to be hard with me, I can be hard back.
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
I met someone once years ago who did this too. Didn’t kill the cats that were pooping in his yard or even make a fuss. Just trapped them and dumped them 20 miles away. He was proud of it and said it solved his problem. I’ve never forgotten the conversation.
Did this person live in Florida? I had a coworker when I was in Florida who did exactly the same thing.
Anyways, even though I currently don't have a cat, if I had one and it somehow got out of my house, disappeared and I even suspected that a neighbor had caught it and dumped it miles away, me and that neighbor are done. If I saw them being mugged or saw their house burning down I wouldn't go out of my way to help them in any way. People want to be hard with me, I can be hard back.
People know when a cat visits their garden every day. If it’s a one-time event, the neighbor will probably realize the cat had escaped. Particularly if you’re in speaking terms with your neighbor before that happens, and you know about their indoor cat. No need to lock and load just yet….
Whether it’s easy or not, just know: some of us have a visceral hatred for these rodents. As Richie Aprile said to Chris Moltisanti: just give me a reason.
What on earth are you talking about? Cats aren't rodents. And your old people references don't mean anything to me. Go lie down and have a nice cup of tea you seem riled up and that always worked on my grandparents
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Rodentia is the Order of rodents and they are characterized by two pairs of incisors that grow continuously. Cats are in the Order Carnivora. And famously hunt and eat rodents.
You are truly a hateful person. I will pray for you.
It’s a complete myth that Fluffy is controlling rats for you. So you can drop the “famously.”
Sweetie. I never said cats control rats. I say they hunt rodents- that includes mice...which your link says they do control. Your anger is leading to poor reading comprehension.
Honey pie. Rats are rodents. Either you were intentionally misleading people, or you’re ignorant.
Also, your ad hominems and insults are childish and don’t speak well of cat ladies. You’d have more credibility if you stuck with facts (oops, so far you don’t have any facts) and didn’t pack insults into your every post—that is, if you want to avoid the moniker “crazy cat lady.”
PP said that cats were Rodents. I said they are not they are Carnivora. And to contrast the difference between the two Orders (you do know about Kingdom, Phylum etc right?) I said that cats "famously hunt and eat rodents."
I never said control populations. That was something you came up with b.c you have an axe to grind.
And in this thread the most deranged ad hominem has come from PP who is desperate to kill cats.
"Cats are rodents and your apartment is gross and stinks. You have disgusting hair all over your clothes when you go to work. Nobody likes you" and that I should take the cat photos down or I won't get a promotion. And the Crazy Cat Lady epithet which is sexist.
And this is different, how, from “I’m going to open my door so Fluffy can make my neighbors’ yards filthy and kill small mammals and birds whose lives I think are worthless”?
I never said that. I never wrote anything supporting outdoor cats. I was the first to recommend the motion sensor sprinklers. I just object to psychos itching to kill them and calling them rodents.
You haven’t answered the questions.
1. Why should OP pay for motion sprinklers to deal with a neighbor’s cat?
2. How is the “psycho” poster (not me BTW) who boasts on the interwebs to kill (non-native) cats any different from the psycho cat lady who IRL lets her cat out to foul the neighbors’ yards and kill 100+ (native) small mammals and birds every year?
1. Because you can't control other people. And as many others have said- the problems they are having could easily be from raccoons or foxes. And yes I object to killing a pet that someone can love very much.
2. You don't know for a fact that that individual cat hunts. Not all of them do- they need to be taught by their mothers how to actually kill. Again your rage is making you irrational.
Stop with the ad hominems already, it just makes you look childish. I’m not rageful (and the post you object to wasn’t mine). Grow up, cat lady.
I do care about our native wildlife and the 30% decline in birds—unlike you, apparently.
Such bad logic.
1. If you can’t control other people, then you can’t stop OP from trapping the cat and taking it to the shelter, which is cheaper and more permanent than a sprinkler. Laws in MoCo and Fairfax apparently support OP doing this, as we saw earlier in the thread. The cat is what’s known as a negative externality—the selfish cat owner is exporting her cat’s problems to her neighbors. There’s a market solution for that, which is that the neighbors take matters into their own hands.
Your doom-and-gloom scenario of the cat getting euthanized is drama queen level. If OP is feeling generous, she can call the owner to say the cat is at the shelter. Otherwise, if the cat has tags (as it should) or is chipped, the shelter will call the owner. Then the owner has to go to the shelter and pay a fine each time it happens—and maybe the owner will learn something. If the cat doesn’t enjoy a few hours in the shelter, blame the selfish and lazy owner, not OP. The only way the cat gets killed is if this selfish owner neglected to put tags on its collar—in which case again all blame lies with the owner.
2. Weird logic here. You don’t know the cat *doesn’t* hunt. Most cats do hunt, as you know. Are you seriously arguing that because some small percentage of cats don’t hunt, that we should tolerate all cats outside hunting?
Depending on the shelter, they may not be willing to take these cats. Even if OP pretends the cats are hers, many shelters have programs in place to try to keep cats out - especially those who spend time outside - since cats do so poorly and are so at risk of euthanasia in shelters, and tend to do pretty well outside. If OP knowingly harms the neighbor's cats, and the neighbor learns about it - or suspects it - it is going to be a very ugly battle. One that I think OP is going to regret.
I haven't read this whole thread - but OP, have you tried talking to your neighbor?
“If OP knowingly harms the cat”—deflection because there’s no indication OP will do this. “If OP pretends the cats are here…ugly battle…I think OP will regret”—wut? Again no indication OP plans to do this.
You people need to address the problems directly, not continue to come up with pretend scenarios and more insults.
1. Why should OP have to buy sprinklers, video cams, or other equipment to deal with her neighbor’s cat?
2. Why shouldn’t cat owners be expected to entertain their pets indoors, as other pet owners do?
3. Why is an outdoor cat’s entertainment more importantly than the lives of the 1000+ small mammals and birds a single outdoor cat will kill over its lifetime, not to mention the threat to native bird species that are in 30% decline? (links for these stats above)
Bringing a cat to a shelter means surrendering them for euthanasia - so yes, that is harming a cat. And since most shelters aren't going to accept cats this way, then her other alternative is to give the cats away, or bring them to a vet for euthanasia. And in both cases, this is harming the cats and stealing the neighbor's property. She should expect repercussions.
I am not going to argue with you about birds. Bird people just want to kill cats - regardless of the fact that this is inhumane and ineffective. You kill this cat, another comes in to take their place. The only humane and effective method of outdoor cat control is through community cat management programs.
And OP has to buy a sprinkler and talk to her neighbor because she is so upset by this situation. A situation she seems to have blown utterly out of hand. Just like you can't keep squirrels off your yard, you can't prevent cats from spending time in your yard - but if you really want to try, you have to actually try.
You keep making up utter BS.
— yes, shelters will accept cats.
— no, bringing a cat to a shelter doesn’t automatically mean euthanasia. Ever hear of no-kill shelters? Plus, if the cat owner has tagged their cat, every shelter will just call and say “come pick up your cat and pay us $100.” A pretty good outcome.
— how did your mind go from taking a cat to the shelter to giving it away or taking it to a vet for euthanasia? Does your mind really work that strangely?
— bird people don’t “just want to kill cats”—with that, you outed yourself as a TNR freak. (And OT, but I have an indoor cat.) Bird people just want to stop the 30% decline so far in birds—can you see the difference, or can your mind not grasp the distinction?
— TNR programs are NOT effective. Multiple studies have shown you need to neuter/spay 80-90% of colony cats to start reducing populations, and the vast majority of TNR programs never get close.
— this is not OP’s fault, it’s the cat owner’s fault. Why should OP pay for somebody else’s cat? You still have no good answer besides blaming OP. Nice….
You’re way too invested in TNR, as evidenced in your language around “bird people” and “community cats.”
Are you afraid that if outdoor housecats are banned then TNR will be next? Because nobody’s said that here. But wow, the mere suggestion of keeping cats inside sent you into a frenzy of shrill insults and bizarre lies.
No kill shelters don't have room for your neighbor's cats. Your only option is a county or municipal shelter, and shelters are so full right now that any cat brought as an "owner surrender" is immediately at risk of euthanasia - and the shelter will only take these cats if you lie and say they are yours. They will not take someone else's cat. I work in this field. You are going to have to trust me, there is no special no kill shelter out in the country ready to take your neighbor's stolen cats.
And yes I read all the TNR studies. You are wrong.
Again: OP has to deal with this because OP is unhappy, and there is no prohibition on letting a cat be outside sometimes and inside sometimes. She can petition her community to put in place an ordinance prohibiting pet cats from being outside but without that, yeah, she's going to have to live with this and figure out how to manage this in a way that is legal.
So you’re a TNR advocate. That clocks. It’s sad your behavior here (calling people c**nt and other insults, misdirecting with made-up scenarios about OP taking her neighbor’s cat to the vet to be euthanized) speaks so badly of people who do this work. (FWIW I don’t work on birds or wildlife, I’m in a totally different profession.)
You’re wrong about the TNR studies. You’re probably only reading the ones that get passed around your TNR circle, about the very few cases where a colony manager was able to spay/neuter over 80% of the cats. But those colonies are few and far between and the others continue to grow. There’s a name for this: confirmation bias.
How many times do we have to repeat that many counties DO have a prohibition on housecats that poop in a neighbor’s yard? The fact that you try to recast this as “no prohibition on letting a cat go outside” is …surprising and a tad dishonest. Take MoCo and Fairfax, for starters—I haven’t looked at other counties. In MoCo, you get fined $100 if your cat “trespasses” on a neighbor’s yard without that neighbor’s permission. And you get fined another $100 if your cat poops there.
TBH I don’t trust you re the shelters, after all the distortions you’ve already posted here. Even a kill shelter will call the owner on the tag, and will also keep a cat a few weeks, enough time for the neighbor to find it.
You are confusing me for someone else. I didn't call anyone names. You've responded nastily to my couple of posts on this thread.
I tell you what. Go call around and ask all those shelters if they would take a cat in these circumstances. I look forward to your answer.
I’m sorry then. I confused you with the poster who called me an insane c*nt when I was initially posting respectfully.
However, your snarky dismissal of OP’s concerns, complete with calling OP names, your disingenuous misinterpretations of the TNR literature and county ordinances, your fabricated worst-case scenarios involving euthanasia at the vet (as if OP would actually pay for that) still don’t speak well of the TNR community.
I’m not wasting my time calling shelters just because some disengenuous rando on DCUM said something about cats, but I’m also not inclined to believe what you say about shelters not accepting cats.
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
I met someone once years ago who did this too. Didn’t kill the cats that were pooping in his yard or even make a fuss. Just trapped them and dumped them 20 miles away. He was proud of it and said it solved his problem. I’ve never forgotten the conversation.
I’m the pp. I guess this is a thing! I don’t think our neighbor’s cats survives where they are dumped. Too many predators and not enough people in the area. Or who knows, maybe they do.
Usually they don't. People would dump.cats near my FILs farm and they were usually eaten by other wildlife, like wildcats.
I think people who let their domestic cats roam about these days don't think about what the cats are getting into and bringing into their homes.
We have our neighbors cats and the feral local.cats fighting each other in our front flower bed in the early am. (Yes, I know they are, we have a motion activated web cam.) Trying the motion activated sprinkler first, but then going to trap and take to the county. If owners can't be bothered I can't be bothered.
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a neighbor recently and commented that I don’t see our neighbor’s cats roaming around as much recently. She told me that a new neighbor who had spent a ton of money on their landscaping was getting it destroyed by the wandering cats. He traps them and sets them free in a fat away forrest-like setting. Bye bye kitty cats!
I met someone once years ago who did this too. Didn’t kill the cats that were pooping in his yard or even make a fuss. Just trapped them and dumped them 20 miles away. He was proud of it and said it solved his problem. I’ve never forgotten the conversation.
Did this person live in Florida? I had a coworker when I was in Florida who did exactly the same thing.
Anyways, even though I currently don't have a cat, if I had one and it somehow got out of my house, disappeared and I even suspected that a neighbor had caught it and dumped it miles away, me and that neighbor are done. If I saw them being mugged or saw their house burning down I wouldn't go out of my way to help them in any way. People want to be hard with me, I can be hard back.
No, California. At least, I was on vacation and I’m pretty sure that’s where he said he was from.
Anonymous wrote:You can't just show up at the pound and drop off an animal. Even if you do it without speaking to anyone, you're on camera.
The one I volunteer at always tracks down anyone who drops off an animal afterhours as it's a crime in our city.
When you come to drop the animals, you have to provide ID. You'll be able to say you found the cats once but not twice. There will be a record. No one finds the same cat twice - it just doesn't happen. Also, once they have your address from your ID and they scan the cats for a microchip, they'll have your neighbor's address (hopefully) and know what's up.
If this is VA, cats and dogs are considered personal property. It's illegal for you to take them to relocate them or turn them in. You can call an animal control officer to get an animal on your property, but detaining the animal until they get there is illegal and considered an unlawful detention.
LOL. No.
+1. Check earlier on the thread. MoCo and Fairfax specifically allow OP to trap a cat and bring it up in. Other counties probably do too, but I don’t have the time to check.
MoCo will even lend OP a humane trap.
They do this for TNR purposes, not so that a bitter neighbor can trap an owned cat and bring them to the shelter. Are you insane?
Nope. You’re insane. They do this for “nuisance animals” according to the statute.
a neighbor’s pet behaving normally is not a nuisance animal.
MoCo has regulations about cats pooping outside the owner’s yard. It’s actually illegal and and subject to a $100 fine. Also, a cat can’t “trespass” on someone else’s property without permission. Other counties have regs too. So yes, the cat is a go***mn nuisance. Your cat is not as cute as you think.
So call animal control and ask them to fine the neighbor! Then the problem is solved, right?
You could also ask your neighbor to clean up any cat sh**.
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