MCPS HS Start-times need to be changed

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

And there are just as many studies the point to why we shouldn't.

Your own wants doesn’t count as a study.

Yes they're confusing their personal preferences with studies.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

This is not only being done in California. It’s the norm in most school districts in the country.
If you’re using california as a mess and then comparing to mcps, then that’s not saying much about mcps.

Well, I for one glad to hear that MCPS is a leader making these bold moves to improve the lives of their students while places like CA play games appeasing whatever group complains the most.

MCPS showing others how it's done!

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

This is not only being done in California. It’s the norm in most school districts in the country.
If you’re using california as a mess and then comparing to mcps, then that’s not saying much about mcps.

Well, I for one glad to hear that MCPS is a leader making these bold moves to improve the lives of their students while places like CA play games appeasing whatever group complains the most.

MCPS showing others how it's done!

Yes, how it’s done wrongly.

[Anonymous]

Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read all this but I have heard that one reason has to do with equity. Poor families rely on big siblings to pick up little siblings from the bus and take care of them for the afternoon. Or they work after school.

Everyone knows it’d be better for the big kids to start later than the littles. And the irritating posters who say, just enforce earlier bedtimes, clearly don’t have teens themselves yet. It’s not that simple when their brains seem to “wake up” around 9 pm and they are just getting home from sports/music etc at 7 after a full day.

I hope MCPS considers doing this!

Actually some of us DO have teens and its not an option in our home. And, I have one kid who 1-2 days a week doesn't get home till after 9 AM. Its called parenting. So, when they get their first job or a college class is only scheduled at an earlier time, are you going to have a fit too?

Too bad, no one considers your person preference. Some of us DO have teens who need sleep. College is not high school, but meep trying to bring in irrelevant things to your lame argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Not really.

https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-later-school-start-time-gave-small-boost-to-grades-but-big-boost-to-sleep-new-study-finds/

Nationally, Minnesota has been at the forefront of starting school later in the morning. Edina, an affluent Minneapolis suburb, is believed to be the first town in the U.S. to shift to a later start, moving in 1996 from 7:20 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. in response to medical research about teen sleep. In 2014, the American Pediatric Association recommended an 8:30 a.m. start time for high schools and middle schools so that teens can get sufficient sleep.

Schools have been slow to heed the doctors’ advice. Only 17 percent of U.S. high schools start the day at 8:30 a.m. or later, according to the most recent federal data. The average start time for high school across the nation remains a half hour earlier, at 8:00 a.m.. South Carolina has the latest high school start time in the nation of 8:34 a.m., followed by Alaska, Minnesota and Iowa. The earliest is Louisiana, where high schools start at 7:30 a.m., on average.

I realize it's a district-by-district decision, and that the state figures are probably an average.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Not really.

https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-later-school-start-time-gave-small-boost-to-grades-but-big-boost-to-sleep-new-study-finds/

Nationally, Minnesota has been at the forefront of starting school later in the morning. Edina, an affluent Minneapolis suburb, is believed to be the first town in the U.S. to shift to a later start, moving in 1996 from 7:20 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. in response to medical research about teen sleep. In 2014, the American Pediatric Association recommended an 8:30 a.m. start time for high schools and middle schools so that teens can get sufficient sleep.

Schools have been slow to heed the doctors’ advice. Only 17 percent of U.S. high schools start the day at 8:30 a.m. or later, according to the most recent federal data. The average start time for high school across the nation remains a half hour earlier, at 8:00 a.m.. South Carolina has the latest high school start time in the nation of 8:34 a.m., followed by Alaska, Minnesota and Iowa. The earliest is Louisiana, where high schools start at 7:30 a.m., on average.

I realize it's a district-by-district decision, and that the state figures are probably an average.

Then mcps and other districts are behind on this.
I came from school districts in 2 other states and they all including the nearby ones have been doing later start for at least the last decade or so. The article shows schools should open at later time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Not really.

https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-later-school-start-time-gave-small-boost-to-grades-but-big-boost-to-sleep-new-study-finds/

Nationally, Minnesota has been at the forefront of starting school later in the morning. Edina, an affluent Minneapolis suburb, is believed to be the first town in the U.S. to shift to a later start, moving in 1996 from 7:20 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. in response to medical research about teen sleep. In 2014, the American Pediatric Association recommended an 8:30 a.m. start time for high schools and middle schools so that teens can get sufficient sleep.

Schools have been slow to heed the doctors’ advice. Only 17 percent of U.S. high schools start the day at 8:30 a.m. or later, according to the most recent federal data. The average start time for high school across the nation remains a half hour earlier, at 8:00 a.m.. South Carolina has the latest high school start time in the nation of 8:34 a.m., followed by Alaska, Minnesota and Iowa. The earliest is Louisiana, where high schools start at 7:30 a.m., on average.

I realize it's a district-by-district decision, and that the state figures are probably an average.

My school in Florida and nieces and nephews in Texas start around 9 am.

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Not really.

https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-later-school-start-time-gave-small-boost-to-grades-but-big-boost-to-sleep-new-study-finds/

Nationally, Minnesota has been at the forefront of starting school later in the morning. Edina, an affluent Minneapolis suburb, is believed to be the first town in the U.S. to shift to a later start, moving in 1996 from 7:20 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. in response to medical research about teen sleep. In 2014, the American Pediatric Association recommended an 8:30 a.m. start time for high schools and middle schools so that teens can get sufficient sleep.

Schools have been slow to heed the doctors’ advice. Only 17 percent of U.S. high schools start the day at 8:30 a.m. or later, according to the most recent federal data. The average start time for high school across the nation remains a half hour earlier, at 8:00 a.m.. South Carolina has the latest high school start time in the nation of 8:34 a.m., followed by Alaska, Minnesota and Iowa. The earliest is Louisiana, where high schools start at 7:30 a.m., on average.

I realize it's a district-by-district decision, and that the state figures are probably an average.

My school in Florida and nieces and nephews in Texas start around 9 am.

So does my ES kid in MCPS! It's really great that they get a solid nights sleep at this young and age.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who is proposing "one simple answer" to this problem really needs to read the bell times study from a few years ago and address the barriers in that document.

If you have "one simple fix" that simultaneously moves HS bell times later AND addresses the logistical/financial challenges laid out in the report, please bring it to the school board.

I remember reading this document, and didn't really think the identified barriers were insurmountable. Rather, a general laziness to tackle anything complex. I remember childcare coming up in such that older siblings were needed in the afternoon to watch their siblings in ES. But many of these same families would also have childcare issues in the AM with the existing schedule with ES starting so late. An early ES start would reduce the number of families needing childcare in the AM, and MCPS could consider expanded subsidized aftercare options for low-income families in the afternoon. YES it would cost some $$ but I am not opposed to investing in something that would overall be beneficial.

All I know is as soon as they change this the same people will start complaining that they need to go back to the previous method. Basically, there's no pleasing most of these people anyway.

Well yeah, there will be people that disagree no matter what. That doesn't mean we should cling to the status quo that flies in the face of what is best for teens. I'll be curious to see how this goes in CA and if it gains traction elsewhere.

School district we came from out of state was already doing Thai and all the surrounding school districts. My nieces and nephews in other states as well. This isn’t anything new. Mcps is way behind on this.

Was that district county-wide like MCPS, or was it a town-based system?

The entire state of California is switching next year. Not big enough for you?

Oh CA is such a mess. It makes MCPS look like a well oiled machine.

This is not only being done in California. It’s the norm in most school districts in the country.
If you’re using california as a mess and then comparing to mcps, then that’s not saying much about mcps.

Well, I for one glad to hear that MCPS is a leader making these bold moves to improve the lives of their students while places like CA play games appeasing whatever group complains the most.

MCPS showing others how it's done!

MCPS is rasing the by setting higher standards!

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My old HS on Long Island, NY has this bell schedule. I honestly don't know how I did it:

Warning Bell – 7:10 AM

Period 1 7:15 – 8:03 AM
Period 2 8:07 – 8:54 AM
Period 3 8:58 – 9:45 AM
Period 4 9:49 – 10:36 AM
Period 5 10:40 – 11:27 AM
Period 6 11:31 – 12:18 PM
Period 7 12:22 – 1:09 PM
Period 8 1:13 – 2:00 PM

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Seems like the schools you're referring to are the ones that are behind whereas MCPS is doing it right!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Seems like the schools you're referring to are the ones that are behind whereas MCPS is doing it right!

Actually the school district I’m referring to is in the top 3 public school districts in the country. And has a high school that has one of the highest ratings for sending kids to MIT.
You would be wrong, mcps is no where near the top 3 best school districts in the country. Maybe in the top 500?
Better luck next time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loudoun County starts ES at ~7:50 (but that will change next year), MS at ~8:20 and HS at ~9:15.

It's been that way as long as I can remember. We like it and don't understand why everybody doesn't do it this way.

Most schools in the country do. Mcps is behind.

Seems like the schools you're referring to are the ones that are behind whereas MCPS is doing it right!

Actually the school district I’m referring to is in the top 3 public school districts in the country. And has a high school that has one of the highest ratings for sending kids to MIT.
You would be wrong, mcps is no where near the top 3 best school districts in the country. Maybe in the top 500?
Better luck next time.

Which school district is that?