MCPS HS Start-times need to be changed

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have you stopped to consider later start time would be an issue with activities and homework? If kids don't get home till 4:30, everything would just be shifted later and kids would go to bed later, so that really doesn't fix anything.

That's funny. My younger kids go to private school and go to bed at reasonable times, even with activities. Late start times are so much healthier for teens. It's not like there is any medical expert who disagrees. It's funny how so many people claim to be concerned about kids' mental health but aren't willing to entertain this universally agreed-upon adjustment that would benefit the health of teenagers.

Younger kids are not high school kids. Your kids are probably not having homework and multiple activities, some twice a night do you don’t get it. They are not healthier. Going to bed at a decent hour is. So, if you had later start times, my kids could not start homework till after nine vs coming home, homework and early dinner then activities.

God you are dumb. Teens have a different biological internal clock. “Going to bed at a decent hour” does not work with their internal clock. Dumb as a box of rocks.

They are not going to upend all the middle and elementary kids’ schedules so your precious, precious high school snowflakes can sleep in. “Dumb as a box of rocks” indeed.

My ES student is generally up by 630am yet school doesn’t start until 930. Does yours go to bed too late? I could see how an earlier bedtime might be inconvenient for you.

You prove the point. Sleep needs change depending on age. And yes, ES students are more likely to up earlier. They also go to bed earlier, have fewer activities, have less homework, and aren't employed. What do your kids do in all of that morning time? Most young kids aren't outside playing in the morning. And earlier start time for younger kids would be more natural for younger kids and allow more time for physical activity after school.

I don't disagree at all- I was responding to the PP not wanting to disrupt the routines of ES and MS students. Perhaps too sarcastically, I apologize. My DC goes to before care because I cannot wait until the 9am bus pickup to go to work.

Well the research that I read says the exact opposite but I get that the OP thinks it would be more convenient for them.

Your “research” states opposing crap from science and what the AAP recommends. I know it’s what is more convenient for you.

The AAP is only considered a viable authority when they tell people what they want to hear. When they said schools should be open during the pandemic, people said they were geniuses. When they said kids should continue to mask in schools, the same people shrieked they were OMG MORONS and parents knew better. Puh-lease.

You are not a viable authority. You are however an idiot and a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read all this but I have heard that one reason has to do with equity. Poor families rely on big siblings to pick up little siblings from the bus and take care of them for the afternoon. Or they work after school.

Everyone knows it’d be better for the big kids to start later than the littles. And the irritating posters who say, just enforce earlier bedtimes, clearly don’t have teens themselves yet. It’s not that simple when their brains seem to “wake up” around 9 pm and they are just getting home from sports/music etc at 7 after a full day.

I hope MCPS considers doing this!

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

No they shouldn't, I'm currently dealing with a 10 year old who is pissed off because his school starts an hour earlier than his brother brother and it's forcing them to have different bed times, it's not fair to the kids and it's not fair to the parents who have to deal with the fallout.

Sounds like a parenting issue not school. Life is not fair.

However with activities and sports and homework a late stoptime is a huge problem.

This is why i think all public schools should be restricted to operating between the hours of 8:30am and 3:00pm.

Great now get all county and state gov’t to agree on walkable communities and worthy public transportation and this could be somewhat viable. Also need to increase meaningful after-school enrichment and childcare and convince most of the business world that most employees won’t be in before 9am. I’m sure these family values plans are top of the agenda.

The first issue you brought up could be solved by properly funding school transportation, as for after school enrichment that is not a necessity students are overloaded as it is, and as for the final issue school scheduling has nothing to do with employee scheduling.

Well since you have so many opinions, you should have participated in the study that was done a few years. But, regardless, you are arguing with someone who is just telling you what the study found.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know someone who can do this and get those who support behind them to present to mcps?

There will be about 4 of you

You scared there will be more?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

Whereas other states and studies say and do the opposite so seems like it's more a matter of personal preference.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

Whereas other states and studies say and do the opposite so seems like it's more a matter of personal preference.

Where are the studies that show earlier start times are good for HS kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

And there are just as many studies the point to why we shouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

Whereas other states and studies say and do the opposite so seems like it's more a matter of personal preference.

Where are the studies that show earlier start times are good for HS kids?

Okay I don't really care about studies but this is super inconvenient for me so they should change it.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read all this but I have heard that one reason has to do with equity. Poor families rely on big siblings to pick up little siblings from the bus and take care of them for the afternoon. Or they work after school.

Everyone knows it’d be better for the big kids to start later than the littles. And the irritating posters who say, just enforce earlier bedtimes, clearly don’t have teens themselves yet. It’s not that simple when their brains seem to “wake up” around 9 pm and they are just getting home from sports/music etc at 7 after a full day.

I hope MCPS considers doing this!

Actually some of us DO have teens and its not an option in our home. And, I have one kid who 1-2 days a week doesn't get home till after 9 AM. Its called parenting. So, when they get their first job or a college class is only scheduled at an earlier time, are you going to have a fit too?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read all this but I have heard that one reason has to do with equity. Poor families rely on big siblings to pick up little siblings from the bus and take care of them for the afternoon. Or they work after school.

Everyone knows it’d be better for the big kids to start later than the littles. And the irritating posters who say, just enforce earlier bedtimes, clearly don’t have teens themselves yet. It’s not that simple when their brains seem to “wake up” around 9 pm and they are just getting home from sports/music etc at 7 after a full day.

I hope MCPS considers doing this!

Actually some of us DO have teens and its not an option in our home. And, I have one kid who 1-2 days a week doesn't get home till after 9 AM. Its called parenting. So, when they get their first job or a college class is only scheduled at an earlier time, are you going to have a fit too?

Colleges have figured this out too. Most college classes are 9 am or later. Only a handful are earlier.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know someone who can do this and get those who support behind them to present to mcps?

There will be about 4 of you

If you are too ignorant to understand this is a real thing, why speak?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. They should have ES kids go to schools early and HS go late, if they need to stagger bus times.

So start ES at 7:30 am? Elementary schools are used as bus stops for magnet schools in the morning. It doesn’t work if the school is filled with kids.

It seems like the OP only cares about HS-age kids and can't grasp how these decisions affect others.

There are studies that point yo why we need to change HS start times, and other states are doing it for a reason. Those states have other students too.

And there are just as many studies the point to why we shouldn't.

Your own wants doesn’t count as a study.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read all this but I have heard that one reason has to do with equity. Poor families rely on big siblings to pick up little siblings from the bus and take care of them for the afternoon. Or they work after school.

Everyone knows it’d be better for the big kids to start later than the littles. And the irritating posters who say, just enforce earlier bedtimes, clearly don’t have teens themselves yet. It’s not that simple when their brains seem to “wake up” around 9 pm and they are just getting home from sports/music etc at 7 after a full day.

I hope MCPS considers doing this!

Actually some of us DO have teens and its not an option in our home. And, I have one kid who 1-2 days a week doesn't get home till after 9 AM. Its called parenting. So, when they get their first job or a college class is only scheduled at an earlier time, are you going to have a fit too?

Most of what you wrote is coherent. The other you point out is college. In case you were not aware, middle and high schoolers are not in college so it have no relevance. Are you having a fit?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read all this but I have heard that one reason has to do with equity. Poor families rely on big siblings to pick up little siblings from the bus and take care of them for the afternoon. Or they work after school.

Everyone knows it’d be better for the big kids to start later than the littles. And the irritating posters who say, just enforce earlier bedtimes, clearly don’t have teens themselves yet. It’s not that simple when their brains seem to “wake up” around 9 pm and they are just getting home from sports/music etc at 7 after a full day.

I hope MCPS considers doing this!

+1

-2 everyone knows that it's better for the younger kids too