Did kids actually unmask?

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My Wilson kid masking because he has maskne. I explained that unmasking will help, but he is not to be deterred.

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Anonymous wrote:At Lafayette there were maybe 2-3 masked kids per room, everyone else had them off.

Wow, I definitely think you will notice a difference between predominantly white schools, and predominately black schools. My school is 90+% black, everyone wore a mask.

I noticed in my predominantly white ES that a much larger percentage of black students were masked than white. That makes sense to me, however. If your community has felt the effects more, and lives with a heightened sense of threat on a daily basis, you might easily be slower to unmask. Our black students who really never fully/effectively masked during the pandemic were unmasked today however.

Yes, rich white people have seen it as a status symbol to be unafraid of COVID infection and its consequences.

"My children are not wearing a mask at school, because my family can afford to gamble the medical bills and lost productivity from long-COVID."

Again, CDC's "All green!" isn't about the likelihood of infection, but about the likelihood of hospital systems breaking down. It is a "Go on ahead and risk your and your employees' health for now, while you can! We'll let you know if and when we're on the brink of collapse and you can pull back then!"

Actually, progressives, which in this area are disproportionately rich and white, are the group most afraid of Covid:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/briefing/covid-risks-poll-americans.html

It remains true that several JKLMs seem to be the least masked schools in DCPS this week, including teachers.

Well, they are the most vaccinated ones, so that makes sense.

You know, OK. You can convince me that the rich white people at the broadly unmasked JKLMs believe that 2- and 3-shot series of COVID vaccine are sufficient to keep everyone in their household healthy and competitive for future college sports. You can convince me that the rich white people unmasking in dense public buildings daily are not showing off that they're fine with gambling on the risk of long-covid, but that they just don't even think of long-COVID. OK. I'm convinced.

What are you trying to say? Yes, they do believe in science, and yes, they have the ability to evaluate risk rationally. "Gambling on the risk of Long Covid"? You clearly aren't of the rational or science-minded sort.

Gaslighting heavy.

NP. Absolutely gaslighting.

Care to explain what you mean? Because you aren't making sense to several posters.

That would require making a coherent, fact-based argument. Or maybe not. But it's definitely harder than typing a two-word sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is still masking because we have two younger, unvaccinated children.

Who are at zero risk, barring extreme existing health issues.

So, good job teaching your kids to ignore science.

WTF?! What do you care if her kids wear masks? How does this hurt you? I don’t understand your vitriol. So bizarre.

PP gave a reason for continued masking which isn't based on science or any rational reason, really. Pointing that out isn't vitriol. This is a discussion board, which sometimes involves disagreement.

This did so dumb though. Who cares? It’s her family and has no effect on you at all. zero

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Anonymous wrote:My Wilson kid masking because he has maskne. I explained that unmasking will help, but he is not to be deterred.

Students literally be scarred by masking.

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Anonymous wrote:At Lafayette there were maybe 2-3 masked kids per room, everyone else had them off.

Wow, I definitely think you will notice a difference between predominantly white schools, and predominately black schools. My school is 90+% black, everyone wore a mask.

I noticed in my predominantly white ES that a much larger percentage of black students were masked than white. That makes sense to me, however. If your community has felt the effects more, and lives with a heightened sense of threat on a daily basis, you might easily be slower to unmask. Our black students who really never fully/effectively masked during the pandemic were unmasked today however.

Yes, rich white people have seen it as a status symbol to be unafraid of COVID infection and its consequences.

"My children are not wearing a mask at school, because my family can afford to gamble the medical bills and lost productivity from long-COVID."

Again, CDC's "All green!" isn't about the likelihood of infection, but about the likelihood of hospital systems breaking down. It is a "Go on ahead and risk your and your employees' health for now, while you can! We'll let you know if and when we're on the brink of collapse and you can pull back then!"

Actually, progressives, which in this area are disproportionately rich and white, are the group most afraid of Covid:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/briefing/covid-risks-poll-americans.html

It remains true that several JKLMs seem to be the least masked schools in DCPS this week, including teachers.

Well, they are the most vaccinated ones, so that makes sense.

You know, OK. You can convince me that the rich white people at the broadly unmasked JKLMs believe that 2- and 3-shot series of COVID vaccine are sufficient to keep everyone in their household healthy and competitive for future college sports. You can convince me that the rich white people unmasking in dense public buildings daily are not showing off that they're fine with gambling on the risk of long-covid, but that they just don't even think of long-COVID. OK. I'm convinced.

What are you trying to say? Yes, they do believe in science, and yes, they have the ability to evaluate risk rationally. "Gambling on the risk of Long Covid"? You clearly aren't of the rational or science-minded sort.

Gaslighting heavy.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

We know exactly what it means, and no, to that other poster, pointing out that sort of behavior doesn't require more than a couple of words.

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Anonymous wrote:At Lafayette there were maybe 2-3 masked kids per room, everyone else had them off.

Wow, I definitely think you will notice a difference between predominantly white schools, and predominately black schools. My school is 90+% black, everyone wore a mask.

I noticed in my predominantly white ES that a much larger percentage of black students were masked than white. That makes sense to me, however. If your community has felt the effects more, and lives with a heightened sense of threat on a daily basis, you might easily be slower to unmask. Our black students who really never fully/effectively masked during the pandemic were unmasked today however.

Yes, rich white people have seen it as a status symbol to be unafraid of COVID infection and its consequences.

"My children are not wearing a mask at school, because my family can afford to gamble the medical bills and lost productivity from long-COVID."

Again, CDC's "All green!" isn't about the likelihood of infection, but about the likelihood of hospital systems breaking down. It is a "Go on ahead and risk your and your employees' health for now, while you can! We'll let you know if and when we're on the brink of collapse and you can pull back then!"

Actually, progressives, which in this area are disproportionately rich and white, are the group most afraid of Covid:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/briefing/covid-risks-poll-americans.html

It remains true that several JKLMs seem to be the least masked schools in DCPS this week, including teachers.

Well, they are the most vaccinated ones, so that makes sense.

You know, OK. You can convince me that the rich white people at the broadly unmasked JKLMs believe that 2- and 3-shot series of COVID vaccine are sufficient to keep everyone in their household healthy and competitive for future college sports. You can convince me that the rich white people unmasking in dense public buildings daily are not showing off that they're fine with gambling on the risk of long-covid, but that they just don't even think of long-COVID. OK. I'm convinced.

What are you trying to say? Yes, they do believe in science, and yes, they have the ability to evaluate risk rationally. "Gambling on the risk of Long Covid"? You clearly aren't of the rational or science-minded sort.

Gaslighting heavy.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

We know exactly what it means, and no, to that other poster, pointing out that sort of behavior doesn't require more than a couple of words.

Calling something gaslighting doesn't make it so unless you can show that the people whose arguments you are trying to discredit have their facts wrong, which would absolutely require more than a couple of words. But it's clear you don't actually have a counterargument, so you resort to vague insinuations, which your Covidian tribe thrives on.

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More students dropped the masks today.

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Just consider for a moment that some of the families continuing to mask have medical reasons for doing so and while you celebrate progress, they are still at risk. My family does not ask others to mask but we continue to mask and do not need to disclose our private health struggle to defend our decision. Tried lightly when you make sweeping generalizations and assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:Just consider for a moment that some of the families continuing to mask have medical reasons for doing so and while you celebrate progress, they are still at risk. My family does not ask others to mask but we continue to mask and do not need to disclose our private health struggle to defend our decision. Tried lightly when you make sweeping generalizations and assumptions.

Ok but why weren’t they masking pre-covid??

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Responding to above poster: as I said, our family’s vulnerability and struggle is none of your business. Just be glad you are not in our shoes . I could care less if you unmask, just leave my family alone and consider for a moment that our precautions now or at any time are recommended by our medical providers and my family doesn’t need this kind of insane vitriol from myopic, self-involved judgements morons such as yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:At Lafayette there were maybe 2-3 masked kids per room, everyone else had them off.

Wow, I definitely think you will notice a difference between predominantly white schools, and predominately black schools. My school is 90+% black, everyone wore a mask.

I noticed in my predominantly white ES that a much larger percentage of black students were masked than white. That makes sense to me, however. If your community has felt the effects more, and lives with a heightened sense of threat on a daily basis, you might easily be slower to unmask. Our black students who really never fully/effectively masked during the pandemic were unmasked today however.

Yes, rich white people have seen it as a status symbol to be unafraid of COVID infection and its consequences.

"My children are not wearing a mask at school, because my family can afford to gamble the medical bills and lost productivity from long-COVID."

Again, CDC's "All green!" isn't about the likelihood of infection, but about the likelihood of hospital systems breaking down. It is a "Go on ahead and risk your and your employees' health for now, while you can! We'll let you know if and when we're on the brink of collapse and you can pull back then!"

Actually, progressives, which in this area are disproportionately rich and white, are the group most afraid of Covid:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/briefing/covid-risks-poll-americans.html

It remains true that several JKLMs seem to be the least masked schools in DCPS this week, including teachers.

Well, they are the most vaccinated ones, so that makes sense.

You know, OK. You can convince me that the rich white people at the broadly unmasked JKLMs believe that 2- and 3-shot series of COVID vaccine are sufficient to keep everyone in their household healthy and competitive for future college sports. You can convince me that the rich white people unmasking in dense public buildings daily are not showing off that they're fine with gambling on the risk of long-covid, but that they just don't even think of long-COVID. OK. I'm convinced.

What are you trying to say? Yes, they do believe in science, and yes, they have the ability to evaluate risk rationally. "Gambling on the risk of Long Covid"? You clearly aren't of the rational or science-minded sort.

Gaslighting heavy.

NP. Absolutely gaslighting.

Care to explain what you mean? Because you aren't making sense to several posters.

That would require making a coherent, fact-based argument. Or maybe not. But it's definitely harder than typing a two-word sentence.

Gambling on the risks of long-covid when vaccinated, irrational fear or science-based concern?
Science seems to suggest vaccination reduces the risk of long covid by about half, but 9 to 14% of breakthrough cases still lead to long-covid.
This published long-covid researcher gives a little summary of each of 8 relevant studies right here https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1504971103470510083?refresh=1647658317

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Anonymous wrote:Gambling on the risks of long-covid when vaccinated, irrational fear or science-based concern?
Science seems to suggest vaccination reduces the risk of long covid by about half, but 9 to 14% of breakthrough cases still lead to long-covid.
This published long-covid researcher gives a little summary of each of 8 relevant studies right here https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1504971103470510083?refresh=1647658317

LOL, you want be buried in your mask, I have seen your living will.

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Anonymous wrote:Gambling on the risks of long-covid when vaccinated, irrational fear or science-based concern?
Science seems to suggest vaccination reduces the risk of long covid by about half, but 9 to 14% of breakthrough cases still lead to long-covid.
This published long-covid researcher gives a little summary of each of 8 relevant studies right here https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1504971103470510083?refresh=1647658317

LOL, you want be buried in your mask, I have seen your living will.

Gaslighting so desperate it can only be stated as a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:At Lafayette there were maybe 2-3 masked kids per room, everyone else had them off.

Wow, I definitely think you will notice a difference between predominantly white schools, and predominately black schools. My school is 90+% black, everyone wore a mask.

I noticed in my predominantly white ES that a much larger percentage of black students were masked than white. That makes sense to me, however. If your community has felt the effects more, and lives with a heightened sense of threat on a daily basis, you might easily be slower to unmask. Our black students who really never fully/effectively masked during the pandemic were unmasked today however.

Yes, rich white people have seen it as a status symbol to be unafraid of COVID infection and its consequences.

"My children are not wearing a mask at school, because my family can afford to gamble the medical bills and lost productivity from long-COVID."

Again, CDC's "All green!" isn't about the likelihood of infection, but about the likelihood of hospital systems breaking down. It is a "Go on ahead and risk your and your employees' health for now, while you can! We'll let you know if and when we're on the brink of collapse and you can pull back then!"

Actually, progressives, which in this area are disproportionately rich and white, are the group most afraid of Covid:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/briefing/covid-risks-poll-americans.html

It remains true that several JKLMs seem to be the least masked schools in DCPS this week, including teachers.

Well, they are the most vaccinated ones, so that makes sense.

You know, OK. You can convince me that the rich white people at the broadly unmasked JKLMs believe that 2- and 3-shot series of COVID vaccine are sufficient to keep everyone in their household healthy and competitive for future college sports. You can convince me that the rich white people unmasking in dense public buildings daily are not showing off that they're fine with gambling on the risk of long-covid, but that they just don't even think of long-COVID. OK. I'm convinced.

What are you trying to say? Yes, they do believe in science, and yes, they have the ability to evaluate risk rationally. "Gambling on the risk of Long Covid"? You clearly aren't of the rational or science-minded sort.

Gaslighting heavy.

NP. Absolutely gaslighting.

Care to explain what you mean? Because you aren't making sense to several posters.

That would require making a coherent, fact-based argument. Or maybe not. But it's definitely harder than typing a two-word sentence.

Gambling on the risks of long-covid when vaccinated, irrational fear or science-based concern?
Science seems to suggest vaccination reduces the risk of long covid by about half, but 9 to 14% of breakthrough cases still lead to long-covid.
This published long-covid researcher gives a little summary of each of 8 relevant studies right here https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1504971103470510083?refresh=1647658317

As they say, there are studies that show that Long Covid is a common phenomenon, and then there are studies that have a control arm. I put more stock into this large meta-analysis done by actual experts in the field and published in an actual medical journal:

https://www.journalofinfection.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0163-4453%2821%2900555-7

But I'm sure you think these experts are trying to gaslight you as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand these comments about kids who choose to mask being "fearful." My kids, in ES and MS, understand that by continuing to mask indoors we reduce the odds of someone in our family getting covid. They, like we, would rather avoid getting covid so they choose to continue to mask. They don't seem to mind wearing them and their education doesn't seem to have suffered because they are wearing masks. They don't wear masks outside because they know it doesn't make a difference. They also wear KN95s, not cloth, because they know that cloth masks are pointless and if you are going to cover your face you may as well use something that is effective. Their lives are pretty much back-to-normal except for wearing masks indoors. They know that even with mask wearing there is a chance someone in our house will get covid because we are not locking down completely, but they also know that the odds are good that no one in our household will be hospitalized or die.
Seems like rational decision-making to me. It does upset them when other kids accuse them of being "scared," or don't understand that just because masks are now optional, it still might be a good idea to wear them.

You are right, it could be just a rational choice to reduce your risk of getting Covid. (Although you do have to wonder if they are thinking this through long-term -- the virus isn't going away, we will eventually catch it, which for a kid might actually be a good thing because they will build immunity at a low-risk age against a virus they will have to encounter over and over for the rest of their lives. Are they going to mask indoors forever?) But there are definitely kids who are scared. Maybe they are in the minority, but they are not rare. We went hiking with friends recently, and one of their young kids didn't want to take off her mask out on the breezy trail, even though nobody else in our group was. That is a sign of unreasonable anxiety, and I felt really bad for the kid.

This is my thinking. If we are going to keep cycling through acute and calmer periods with this virus for some undefined extended period of time, my kids and I...we all need breaks. We can't stay at DEFCON-1 indefinitely. I'm glad that for many of you, masks don't bother your kids. My kids are super compliant, but really hate them. We didn't take advantage of the pre-Delta lull, thinking that vaccines were coming for elementary-aged kids and *then* we could ease up. And despite our extreme caution and efforts to "do our part to stop the spread", Omicron hit as soon as the kids were vaxxed and they got no reprieve. We've been so careful and conscientious the last two years, and my little kids missed out on A LOT, so this time around, we're going to take more risks than we normally would during this lull (they gleefully unmasked at school yesterday), recognizing we may have to hunker back down, masks and all, if/when things get bad again.

So glad to hear you are giving your kids a break. I have grieved so much for the kids during this time. I left DC to get my kids out of the mask and out of the constant fear and confusion. We've been just fine and while my children were compliant last year, I can see that the masking was traumatizing by the way they react if a business has a mask sign and unwillingness to participate in any activities that require masking. Daily life is relatively "normal", people have gotten and recovered from covid, there is no public shaming on either side. I am grateful we had the option to easily relocate. Kids get one childhood. Let them breathe.