Race and TJ admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

Same stuff was told to King Richard by jealous white folks when he was making Venus and Serena champions. They lost that one. Now their kids can't make it academically either. come one man - my whote skin should count for something!! let's talk about other people's mental health/equit etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

No try again. Our asian kids do sports and have plenty of physical activities. Most of us are just not obsessed with sports in a competitive way and don't force them to practice for hours each day. I have seen parents screaming at their kids when they think that the latter are not performing to their abilities during sport practice and games. Can't imagine it would be mentally healthy for the kids either.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

No try again. Our asian kids do sports and have plenty of physical activities. Most of us are just not obsessed with sports in a competitive way and don't force them to practice for hours each day. I have seen parents screaming at their kids when they think that the latter are not performing to their abilities during sport practice and games. Can't imagine it would be mentally healthy for the kids either.

It's almost child abuse I tell ya.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This issue is much more nuanced than simply low expectations for URMs. Imagine the great majority of Black and Hispanic kids in Fairfax County had similar (very high) socio-economic status equivalent to the average wealth of Langley, McLean, Chantilly families who are sending their kids to TJ. In that case, yes, giving URMs bonus points to get into TJ would be ridiculous.

However, the reality is that the majority of URMs are living in the lower-middle class or below poverty level. Why do you think all the "good" school districts have very few Hispanic and Black kids? Why do all the "bad" schools have so many Hispanic and Black kids? It always goes back to the inability to afford expensive housing, which leads to concentrated pockets of poverty in specific schools, which leads to bad outcomes in schools, which leads to what we have now.

The problem is most Asian TJ Students are middle class not upper middle or upper in SES. Stop spreading misinformation. You must be a Russian Asset.

Russian Assets don't speak/write in perfect English.

[Anonymous]

1. The decision will be reversed.
2. Time to build a second TJ to settle the nerves of weird parents in nova.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

Then maybe you shouldn't label them cheaters or little robots for a start.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

No try again. Our asian kids do sports and have plenty of physical activities. Most of us are just not obsessed with sports in a competitive way and don't force them to practice for hours each day. I have seen parents screaming at their kids when they think that the latter are not performing to their abilities during sport practice and games. Can't imagine it would be mentally healthy for the kids either.

PP. We absolutely agree. In sports circles, we chastise the very parents you're talking about for creating the problems that exist in our culture. There is a line that exists in both areas, and I see sports parents crossing it just as frequently as I see music parents or academic parents or whatever crossing it.

But this forum and this thread are about Advanced Academic Programs, so the ridiculous over-prep parents who are doing everything in their power to make their child appear more talented than they are are the focus of the conversation here. We can talk about the jerk sports parents on the sports thread and I promise you I'll have plenty of thoughts for them there.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

Then maybe you shouldn't label them cheaters or little robots for a start.

...I don't do that. There are some that do, and that's gross and I've called them out for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

Then maybe you shouldn't label them cheaters or little robots for a start.

...I don't do that. There are some that do, and that's gross and I've called them out for it.

And I sincerely thank you for that. But I have also unfortunately seen many folks pointing fingers at the hard-working asian kids and calling them all sorts of name then turn around and promote mental health.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

Why in the world are 10-12 year olds "building their resume"?

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

Yes, you hypocrite. It is monstrous to try to use this to further your agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

Why in the world are 10-12 year olds "building their resume"?

Because, under the old admissions process, if they didn't, they were at a severe disadvantage when it came to "demonstrated interest in STEM".

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

Yes, you hypocrite. It is monstrous to try to use this to further your agenda.

My agenda is to eliminate an admissions process that has a demonstrably negative impact on the mental health of students at an institution I care for deeply. Call me whatever name you want - I have the courage of my convictions to know that what I'm calling for is right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI

Admissions are race blind. The biggest issue is the criteria that they use though is easily prepped for and many wealthy families invest tens of thousands doing exactly that to game the system.

Same as in sports. Families spend tens of thousands for better coaching and I don't see anyone screaming unfairness

You know the saying - it is an eternal love if I do it and it is an immoral cheating if my neighbor does it.

Yep, most white kids are too lazy to prep (they'd rather do sports - which is a fine pursuit also) so when they can't get into TJ, their parents throw a tantrum and label the academically-focused asian kids cheaters for prepping. Yet, they don't see a problem with their kids prepping hours on end to make a sport team. Why? Because the latter prep benefits them while the former doesn't. Then they get behind a half-cooked up admission plan citing that it gives the Black and Latino kids a chance at admission but the truth is that plan also helps their white kids get in.

This is such a dumb take. Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who are building their resume should not have to give up things like sports in order to feel they have a fair shot at admission to TJ. That’s an unhealthy attitude, not only physically but mentally. Ideas like this are why TJ has so many difficulties with mental health.

All of a sudden the progressives care about Asian kids' mental health.

You watch enough of them go south at TJ and you'd be a monster NOT to care about their mental health.

Yes, you hypocrite. It is monstrous to try to use this to further your agenda.

My agenda is to eliminate an admissions process that has a demonstrably negative impact on the mental health of students at an institution I care for deeply. Call me whatever name you want - I have the courage of my convictions to know that what I'm calling for is right.

Asians must make up:
- 20% of the school board;
- 20% of the top 100 administrative positions at FCPS;
- 20% of the county teachers;
- 20% of the county employees including the top 100 administrative positions;
- 20% of the County Board of Supervisors;
- 20% of the County Judges;
- 20% of County prosecutors;
- 20% of the County police officers;
- 70% of TJ teachers;
- Principal of TJ must be Asian;
- 20% of County Contracts and Grants;
- 20% of county public schools' sport teams
- 20% of county schools' clubs and organization (including SGAs) members and officers etc. e

That will certainly improve Mental Health of many Asians in the county.