Chantilly High or Langley?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

School in well-off area draws well-off students. Also, sun rises in east. Why do you care?

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Anonymous wrote:I was going to say Chantilly until your post about your social status. Please stay away.

Exactly - on middle class people actually worry about their social status being signaled through their neighborhood choice or public school - actually Chantilly has way strong STEM and a better cohort of physics-oriented students - so why would you go to Langley?

The truly rich people who can afford any house would stay where they feel the most comfortable and among people they enjoy.

There are way more convenient asian grocery stores near Chantilly than there are near Langley - why would an asian american who was secure enough in their wealth want to stay in Langley?

There's only one grocery store in the Langley area, a Safeway at Great Falls Village. You have to drive miles for anything.

Please don't bother posting if you can't stick to the truth. There is that Safeway, a Giant in McLean, a Harris Teeter near Tysons, and a Lidl coming to McLean.

Isn't the GFV Safeway is the only grocery store within Langley's boundaries? Other stores are in areas zoned to other schools.

Does FCPS monitor to make sure that you only go to a grocery store in your boundary?

(We shop at the Great Falls Safeway. It is more than adequate. And extremely convenient for those of us who live in GF. If we ever need a bigger or more unique store, there are plenty that are only a short drive away on Leesburg Pike or in Reston.)

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So bizarre.

I love Safeway so much I have an annual freshpass. However, here are some items I buy elsewhere:
50cfu biokefir-whole foods
pau d'arco tea-vitamin/moms
opo squash,bittermelon, fermented blackbean-Aditi/GreatWall/H-mart
powder laundry-Sierra
1 gr sugar ricotta-Italian Store/Rest. depot
non-Korean pignoli-Sfizi, Italian Store
blood&tongue/zeigenwurst-German Gourmet
flax ricecakes-Giant
juniper-fresh market/moms
bell&evans whole-balduccis/whole foods
adirondack ice cream/low sugar high fat (custard style) -balduccis/german gourmet

Tysons/Vienna/W. McLean/N. Merrifield is close to these plus Harris Teeter(great baby back). Great Falls is doable to these, but slightly more of a hike and on lonely roads. Those living in Great Falls, where do you get low sugar/ethnic foods like these?

I admittedly have never bought most of those items, but the Reston Whole Foods is only 15 mins away and there is a Super H Mart and a Mom’s in Herndon (maybe 20 mins away). We also have a great butcher near the Village.

Is there more driving to get certain things? Of course. But Reston, Tyson’s, etc. aren’t really that far away. And there is very little traffic on the main roads to those places (ie Springvale/Baron Cameron to get to Reston; Old Dominion to Spring Hill to get to Tyson’s). We see it as a very small trade off to live in a great, tight-knit community that in many ways feels like a small town.

A tight-knit small-town community typically doesn't have huge homes on big lots where people often don't know their neighbors, or send its kids off to a middle school and high school in another part of the county miles away.

Well we live here and we know that it is a tight-knit community (and we are good friends with our neighbors and most others on our street). Added bonus: Lots of families with younger children have moved here in the past year or two, which is great for the kids. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Covid was probably the best thing that happened to Great Falls since the 2008 recession. Of course, as employers return to the office gradually, more people will find out what it's like to have to commute from Great Falls to their jobs.

GF wasn't having any issues in the home sales department prior to Covid - what a weird post. And many - if not most - people in GF have short commutes to their jobs in the Reston/Tysons/Vienna corridor - or from home. Sour grapes are so unbecoming.

Nope. GF was lagging behind other areas for many years.

Meh. People tend to stay for many years in GF rather than constant turnover of housing.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are two very different communities and your housing budget would place you in very different social places - you’d be rich at Chantilly and poor at Langley. What are your other priorities?

You would not be poor at Langley. You’d be average.

- Langley mom

In 2022, a $1.1-1.2M housing budget means you're below-average economically in the Langley HS district.

But someone has to be, as there's always a distribution. The Langley district is spread out and I don't think people are spending much time keeping tabs on who lives in the more affordable areas, which in Langley's case means (1) western Great Falls near Loudoun, (2) the Vienna neighborhoods off Route 7, and (3) the Kings Manor townhouses in McLean. Teaching your kids they can't always have everything some other kid has is a valuable lesson.

DP. You are correct that no one who actually goes to Langley thinks about or talks about the wealth of their peers. Curiously, that seems to be the sole purview of people whose kids go to school elsewhere.

How fantastic that OP has the benefit of the views of some random Langley mom who constantly pretends she knows what everyone in her pyramid thinks or says.

If I were the OP (who, btw, is probably a troll), I'd much prefer hearing from people with actual experience with said schools, rather than those who constantly make up absurd claims because they know nothing about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I was going to say Chantilly until your post about your social status. Please stay away.

Exactly - on middle class people actually worry about their social status being signaled through their neighborhood choice or public school - actually Chantilly has way strong STEM and a better cohort of physics-oriented students - so why would you go to Langley?

The truly rich people who can afford any house would stay where they feel the most comfortable and among people they enjoy.

There are way more convenient asian grocery stores near Chantilly than there are near Langley - why would an asian american who was secure enough in their wealth want to stay in Langley?

There's only one grocery store in the Langley area, a Safeway at Great Falls Village. You have to drive miles for anything.

Please don't bother posting if you can't stick to the truth. There is that Safeway, a Giant in McLean, a Harris Teeter near Tysons, and a Lidl coming to McLean.

Isn't the GFV Safeway is the only grocery store within Langley's boundaries? Other stores are in areas zoned to other schools.

Does FCPS monitor to make sure that you only go to a grocery store in your boundary?

(We shop at the Great Falls Safeway. It is more than adequate. And extremely convenient for those of us who live in GF. If we ever need a bigger or more unique store, there are plenty that are only a short drive away on Leesburg Pike or in Reston.)

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So bizarre.

I love Safeway so much I have an annual freshpass. However, here are some items I buy elsewhere:
50cfu biokefir-whole foods
pau d'arco tea-vitamin/moms
opo squash,bittermelon, fermented blackbean-Aditi/GreatWall/H-mart
powder laundry-Sierra
1 gr sugar ricotta-Italian Store/Rest. depot
non-Korean pignoli-Sfizi, Italian Store
blood&tongue/zeigenwurst-German Gourmet
flax ricecakes-Giant
juniper-fresh market/moms
bell&evans whole-balduccis/whole foods
adirondack ice cream/low sugar high fat (custard style) -balduccis/german gourmet

Tysons/Vienna/W. McLean/N. Merrifield is close to these plus Harris Teeter(great baby back). Great Falls is doable to these, but slightly more of a hike and on lonely roads. Those living in Great Falls, where do you get low sugar/ethnic foods like these?

I admittedly have never bought most of those items, but the Reston Whole Foods is only 15 mins away and there is a Super H Mart and a Mom’s in Herndon (maybe 20 mins away). We also have a great butcher near the Village.

Is there more driving to get certain things? Of course. But Reston, Tyson’s, etc. aren’t really that far away. And there is very little traffic on the main roads to those places (ie Springvale/Baron Cameron to get to Reston; Old Dominion to Spring Hill to get to Tyson’s). We see it as a very small trade off to live in a great, tight-knit community that in many ways feels like a small town.

A tight-knit small-town community typically doesn't have huge homes on big lots where people often don't know their neighbors, or send its kids off to a middle school and high school in another part of the county miles away.

Well we live here and we know that it is a tight-knit community (and we are good friends with our neighbors and most others on our street). Added bonus: Lots of families with younger children have moved here in the past year or two, which is great for the kids. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Covid was probably the best thing that happened to Great Falls since the 2008 recession. Of course, as employers return to the office gradually, more people will find out what it's like to have to commute from Great Falls to their jobs.

GF wasn't having any issues in the home sales department prior to Covid - what a weird post. And many - if not most - people in GF have short commutes to their jobs in the Reston/Tysons/Vienna corridor - or from home. Sour grapes are so unbecoming.

Nope. GF was lagging behind other areas for many years.

Meh. People tend to stay for many years in GF rather than constant turnover of housing.

Meh. People tend not to sell when they are sitting on less appreciation. It’s hardly a convenient area to age in place.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

DP. And so your solution is busing kids into the area, for "diversity"? Sorry. This isn't the 70s anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

Have you ever driven to Langley High? The neighborhood surrounded Langley is all single family homes that mostly cost $2m+. I don’t know where these free lunch people would live. Langley is low FARMs because the high school is located on some prime expensive real estate.

Yep. But you're making way too much sense! The PP would vastly prefer kids from low-income areas be bused in, so as to "diversify" Langley. Geography be damned!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what kind of Asian you are. Langley has more East Asians, specifically Korean and Chinese. We moved to Langley pyramid for schools and I was surprised how many Asians there were.

My friends in Chantilly tell me there are a lot of Indians there.

DP. There are many Indian Americans at Langley too. Actually, there are kids from every single continent there.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

Have you ever driven to Langley High? The neighborhood surrounded Langley is all single family homes that mostly cost $2m+. I don’t know where these free lunch people would live. Langley is low FARMs because the high school is located on some prime expensive real estate.

DP here. The school’s boundaries are huge so your observation is stupid. They absolutely could pull from some neighborhoods less wealthy than the area immediately adjacent to the school but they’ve manipulated the process and the politicians for years to make sure that never happens.

And then they come on here and pretend to be middle-class because the last thing they want is scrutiny of the special treatment.

Another DP. Whatever you say. You sound more and more unhinged with every bitter, resentful post.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are two very different communities and your housing budget would place you in very different social places - you’d be rich at Chantilly and poor at Langley. What are your other priorities?

You would not be poor at Langley. You’d be average.

- Langley mom

In 2022, a $1.1-1.2M housing budget means you're below-average economically in the Langley HS district.

But someone has to be, as there's always a distribution. The Langley district is spread out and I don't think people are spending much time keeping tabs on who lives in the more affordable areas, which in Langley's case means (1) western Great Falls near Loudoun, (2) the Vienna neighborhoods off Route 7, and (3) the Kings Manor townhouses in McLean. Teaching your kids they can't always have everything some other kid has is a valuable lesson.

DP. You are correct that no one who actually goes to Langley thinks about or talks about the wealth of their peers. Curiously, that seems to be the sole purview of people whose kids go to school elsewhere.

How fantastic that OP has the benefit of the views of some random Langley mom who constantly pretends she knows what everyone in her pyramid thinks or says.

If I were the OP (who, btw, is probably a troll), I'd much prefer hearing from people with actual experience with said schools, rather than those who constantly make up absurd claims because they know nothing about it.

Personally I’d prefer hearing from someone humble enough to only speak for themselves and who wasn’t pushing some candy-coated narrative. Give us the good and the bad if you want to be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I was going to say Chantilly until your post about your social status. Please stay away.

Exactly - on middle class people actually worry about their social status being signaled through their neighborhood choice or public school - actually Chantilly has way strong STEM and a better cohort of physics-oriented students - so why would you go to Langley?

The truly rich people who can afford any house would stay where they feel the most comfortable and among people they enjoy.

There are way more convenient asian grocery stores near Chantilly than there are near Langley - why would an asian american who was secure enough in their wealth want to stay in Langley?

There's only one grocery store in the Langley area, a Safeway at Great Falls Village. You have to drive miles for anything.

Please don't bother posting if you can't stick to the truth. There is that Safeway, a Giant in McLean, a Harris Teeter near Tysons, and a Lidl coming to McLean.

Isn't the GFV Safeway is the only grocery store within Langley's boundaries? Other stores are in areas zoned to other schools.

Does FCPS monitor to make sure that you only go to a grocery store in your boundary?

(We shop at the Great Falls Safeway. It is more than adequate. And extremely convenient for those of us who live in GF. If we ever need a bigger or more unique store, there are plenty that are only a short drive away on Leesburg Pike or in Reston.)

+1
So bizarre.

I love Safeway so much I have an annual freshpass. However, here are some items I buy elsewhere:
50cfu biokefir-whole foods
pau d'arco tea-vitamin/moms
opo squash,bittermelon, fermented blackbean-Aditi/GreatWall/H-mart
powder laundry-Sierra
1 gr sugar ricotta-Italian Store/Rest. depot
non-Korean pignoli-Sfizi, Italian Store
blood&tongue/zeigenwurst-German Gourmet
flax ricecakes-Giant
juniper-fresh market/moms
bell&evans whole-balduccis/whole foods
adirondack ice cream/low sugar high fat (custard style) -balduccis/german gourmet

Tysons/Vienna/W. McLean/N. Merrifield is close to these plus Harris Teeter(great baby back). Great Falls is doable to these, but slightly more of a hike and on lonely roads. Those living in Great Falls, where do you get low sugar/ethnic foods like these?

I admittedly have never bought most of those items, but the Reston Whole Foods is only 15 mins away and there is a Super H Mart and a Mom’s in Herndon (maybe 20 mins away). We also have a great butcher near the Village.

Is there more driving to get certain things? Of course. But Reston, Tyson’s, etc. aren’t really that far away. And there is very little traffic on the main roads to those places (ie Springvale/Baron Cameron to get to Reston; Old Dominion to Spring Hill to get to Tyson’s). We see it as a very small trade off to live in a great, tight-knit community that in many ways feels like a small town.

A tight-knit small-town community typically doesn't have huge homes on big lots where people often don't know their neighbors, or send its kids off to a middle school and high school in another part of the county miles away.

Well we live here and we know that it is a tight-knit community (and we are good friends with our neighbors and most others on our street). Added bonus: Lots of families with younger children have moved here in the past year or two, which is great for the kids. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Covid was probably the best thing that happened to Great Falls since the 2008 recession. Of course, as employers return to the office gradually, more people will find out what it's like to have to commute from Great Falls to their jobs.

GF wasn't having any issues in the home sales department prior to Covid - what a weird post. And many - if not most - people in GF have short commutes to their jobs in the Reston/Tysons/Vienna corridor - or from home. Sour grapes are so unbecoming.

Nope. GF was lagging behind other areas for many years.

Meh. People tend to stay for many years in GF rather than constant turnover of housing.

Meh. People tend not to sell when they are sitting on less appreciation. It’s hardly a convenient area to age in place.

And yet, my mother and all her neighbors are doing exactly that.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

DP. And so your solution is busing kids into the area, for "diversity"? Sorry. This isn't the 70s anymore.

Oh that's hilarious. Do you even realize your hypocrisy? Do you genuinely deny that kids from the furthest northwestern part of the county are being bussed to Langley? Of course, it's not "bussing" when it's in your favor.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are two very different communities and your housing budget would place you in very different social places - you’d be rich at Chantilly and poor at Langley. What are your other priorities?

You would not be poor at Langley. You’d be average.

- Langley mom

In 2022, a $1.1-1.2M housing budget means you're below-average economically in the Langley HS district.

But someone has to be, as there's always a distribution. The Langley district is spread out and I don't think people are spending much time keeping tabs on who lives in the more affordable areas, which in Langley's case means (1) western Great Falls near Loudoun, (2) the Vienna neighborhoods off Route 7, and (3) the Kings Manor townhouses in McLean. Teaching your kids they can't always have everything some other kid has is a valuable lesson.

DP. You are correct that no one who actually goes to Langley thinks about or talks about the wealth of their peers. Curiously, that seems to be the sole purview of people whose kids go to school elsewhere.

How fantastic that OP has the benefit of the views of some random Langley mom who constantly pretends she knows what everyone in her pyramid thinks or says.

If I were the OP (who, btw, is probably a troll), I'd much prefer hearing from people with actual experience with said schools, rather than those who constantly make up absurd claims because they know nothing about it.

Personally I’d prefer hearing from someone humble enough to only speak for themselves and who wasn’t pushing some candy-coated narrative. Give us the good and the bad if you want to be taken seriously.

Plenty of us have done just that. It's the good that you don't want to hear - you can't stand hearing the good, in fact. We've pointed out that many of us are indeed middle class, live in small homes, drive minivans, etc. We simply don't have this weird inferiority complex that some of you so clearly have. Is there wealth in this area? Of course. There are also neighborhoods of modest homes and far less wealthy people. No one cares. No one but you, that is.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are two very different communities and your housing budget would place you in very different social places - you’d be rich at Chantilly and poor at Langley. What are your other priorities?

You would not be poor at Langley. You’d be average.

- Langley mom

In 2022, a $1.1-1.2M housing budget means you're below-average economically in the Langley HS district.

But someone has to be, as there's always a distribution. The Langley district is spread out and I don't think people are spending much time keeping tabs on who lives in the more affordable areas, which in Langley's case means (1) western Great Falls near Loudoun, (2) the Vienna neighborhoods off Route 7, and (3) the Kings Manor townhouses in McLean. Teaching your kids they can't always have everything some other kid has is a valuable lesson.

DP. You are correct that no one who actually goes to Langley thinks about or talks about the wealth of their peers. Curiously, that seems to be the sole purview of people whose kids go to school elsewhere.

How fantastic that OP has the benefit of the views of some random Langley mom who constantly pretends she knows what everyone in her pyramid thinks or says.

If I were the OP (who, btw, is probably a troll), I'd much prefer hearing from people with actual experience with said schools, rather than those who constantly make up absurd claims because they know nothing about it.

Personally I’d prefer hearing from someone humble enough to only speak for themselves and who wasn’t pushing some candy-coated narrative. Give us the good and the bad if you want to be taken seriously.

Where do your kids go to school?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

DP. And so your solution is busing kids into the area, for "diversity"? Sorry. This isn't the 70s anymore.

Oh that's hilarious. Do you even realize your hypocrisy? Do you genuinely deny that kids from the furthest northwestern part of the county are being bussed to Langley? Of course, it's not "bussing" when it's in your favor.

Actually, I've said many times that the western boundaries need to be changed. The kids who live west of Forestville should be going to Herndon. I have no issue with that. Any other accusations you'd like to lob?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly sounds better with each post.

I feel like there is a lot of hate for Langley. I’m not really sure why.

I don’t go hating Potomac or Chevy chase. I don’t know much about them besides a lot of wealthy people live there that I don’t know.

Langley is below 2% FARMS— their FARMS numbers are even lower than TJ. But. The SB ignores that while blowing TJ up to get more poor kids in. And the GF a parents go to absurd lengths to make certain that no poors are zoned for their kids’ school. Lawsuits, SB recalls, trying to incorporate GFs. Etc. Etc. They are terrified their kids might have to attend a public school that’s is 10% free and reduced lunch. It’s just gross.

DP. And so your solution is busing kids into the area, for "diversity"? Sorry. This isn't the 70s anymore.

Oh that's hilarious. Do you even realize your hypocrisy? Do you genuinely deny that kids from the furthest northwestern part of the county are being bussed to Langley? Of course, it's not "bussing" when it's in your favor.

You’re right, of course, but there’s no point speaking truth to these folks.