$7/gallon gas is coming

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Anonymous wrote:How else are we going to get flyover country to give up their smelly trucks?

They may think twice before rolling coal.

Cause for celebration- I would like to see $10/gas. I walk and bike nearly everywhere.

Have you ever been to the midwest, pp? Have you ever visited rural America?
Do you understand that it is not possible for everyone to bike and walk everywhere?
Do you understand that the farmers that grow your food and raise your crops need fuel for their farm equipment?

You are just clueless.

They made dumb decisions about where to live. They chose to live in the middle of nowhere, rather than in a city with access to transit options or bike usage. Their making stupid choices about where they live and being dependent on gasoline in order to get to anywhere isn’t my problem. As for farmers, same question applies - why did they pick a farm out in the middle of nowhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Think long and hard where all the food comes from....

Expensive gas means expensive food sooner or later. At least rural people can grow their own food

Very little actual “food” is grown on US farms. Most is corn, which is used for animal feed and ethanol production for use in gasoline.

Reduce meat consumption and get rid of gasoline engines, and we wouldn’t even need most of the farms we currently have.

Soybeans (I'd be interested to hear about the vertical gardener's soybean crop and how much tofu they get out of it)
Barley
Oats
Oil seeds (are there enough olive trees in the world to replace all cooking oil with olive?)
Dry beans, peas, lentils
(noting that soybeans, oats, and peas are the source for your non-dairy milks)
And of course the corn going into animal feed is going into animals used as a food source
So let's talk about pasture/grass fed meat
--pastured poultry--yes there are farms that raise them, but the economics are probably not viable for al l the poultry consumed annually. The cost of producing pasture raised chicken is about $27 per bird.
Consumer cost of grass fed beef varies by cut, but you are looking at $14/lb wholesale price for stew meat.

US has cheap food prices (and cheap gas prices) but this is what you're looking at, assuming there is sufficient agricultural land to support all this. And you can't re-wild the midwest if you're going to feed all those chickens.

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Anonymous wrote:Same people who look down their noses at non-esstential truck and SUV ownership wouldn’t hesitate to jump on a plane for a European trip….

Price of oil flows through everything. It isn’t just about what you pay at the pump. It literally impacts everything.

We’re watching the post-WWII order crumble because Germany tried to go green (too fast?) yet many on this side of the Atlantic are doubling down on renewables and electric everything. People have no clue just what they are asking for.

Wow. You're living in a bizarre world of fiction.

Right???

So the reason Russia is threatening Ukraine is because —— Germany loves green tech???

Seems like a stretch😁

Bigtime. But when you've spent the last decade plus completely indoctrinated in conservative spin 24x7 having these kinds of things 'splained to you repeatedly you start thinking it makes sense. As an infamous minister of propaganda once said, repeat the lie often enough and people will believe it.

Get out of your echo chambers. That Russia has Europe in a bind over natural gas supplies (and particularly Germany) is well understood and covered.

https://www.ft.com/content/b23082f5-030d-42df-be8b-3d55ef613b1a

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-nord-stream-2-pipeline-b2018893.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/18/german-economy-depends-russian-gas-theres-long-history-behind-that/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/putins-gas-pipeline-the-stasi-connection-fklvlkk5q

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/01/germany-is-closing-its-last-nuclear-plants-what-disaster/


(MT Newswires)

Commerzbank analyst Barbara Lambrecht on Thursday said she expects Germany to bear the brunt of any interruption of natural-gas supply should Russia cut off shipments in retaliation for the imposition of sanctions if Russia follows through on an invasion of Ukraine as it continues to build up troops and materiel on its border with the country.

"A supply freeze of Russian gas would affect the EU countries to varying degrees, even if there is basically a single gas market," Lambrecht said in a report. "Germany is by far the most important sales market for Russian gas: Germany, which covers a quarter of its energy consumption with gas and is thus above the EU average, obtains more than half of its gas requirements from Russia. Germany does have the largest storage volumes within the EU and, with a storage capacity of around 24 bcm, ranks fourth in the world behind the USA, Russia and Ukraine. But even these reserves - unlike in recent years - are not better filled than in the rest of Europe ... New supply could only be attracted by higher prices. Germany would undoubtedly be the country most affected in the EU."

-0- Feb/17/2022 16:25 GMT

Echo chamber? The premise was that Germany got too green.
Germany's dependence on natural gas is the EXACT OPPOSITE of green tech.

Since 2010, Germany has tried to go green with renewables and retirement of nuclear and coal. The problem has been that renewables are more expensive and intermittent. Cost is a problem for the German manufacturing sector and intermittency is a problem for the whole society. Since Germany (really Merkel) political commitments to its phase out Nukes and Coal, and since you have to solve the aforementioned cost and intermittency problems, natural gas has been the answer for Germany. Since 2010, as a mix of production, Natural Gas has grown in Germany by about 33% while nuke and coal have declined by similar material percentage. And since Russia is the single most important supplier of natural gas to Germany, you now have Germany in a compromised geopolitical position with respect to Russia.

We are ALL in a compromised geopolitical position when it comes to oil in the first place. We have literally been at war in Asia for decades due to oil. Why wouldn’t we develop alternatives that don’t help finance authoritarians? Not to mention the destruction of our shared ecological heritage.

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Anonymous wrote:Same people who look down their noses at non-esstential truck and SUV ownership wouldn’t hesitate to jump on a plane for a European trip….

Price of oil flows through everything. It isn’t just about what you pay at the pump. It literally impacts everything.

We’re watching the post-WWII order crumble because Germany tried to go green (too fast?) yet many on this side of the Atlantic are doubling down on renewables and electric everything. People have no clue just what they are asking for.

Wow. You're living in a bizarre world of fiction.

Right???

So the reason Russia is threatening Ukraine is because —— Germany loves green tech???

Seems like a stretch😁

Bigtime. But when you've spent the last decade plus completely indoctrinated in conservative spin 24x7 having these kinds of things 'splained to you repeatedly you start thinking it makes sense. As an infamous minister of propaganda once said, repeat the lie often enough and people will believe it.

Get out of your echo chambers. That Russia has Europe in a bind over natural gas supplies (and particularly Germany) is well understood and covered.

https://www.ft.com/content/b23082f5-030d-42df-be8b-3d55ef613b1a

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-nord-stream-2-pipeline-b2018893.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/18/german-economy-depends-russian-gas-theres-long-history-behind-that/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/putins-gas-pipeline-the-stasi-connection-fklvlkk5q

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/01/germany-is-closing-its-last-nuclear-plants-what-disaster/


(MT Newswires)

Commerzbank analyst Barbara Lambrecht on Thursday said she expects Germany to bear the brunt of any interruption of natural-gas supply should Russia cut off shipments in retaliation for the imposition of sanctions if Russia follows through on an invasion of Ukraine as it continues to build up troops and materiel on its border with the country.

"A supply freeze of Russian gas would affect the EU countries to varying degrees, even if there is basically a single gas market," Lambrecht said in a report. "Germany is by far the most important sales market for Russian gas: Germany, which covers a quarter of its energy consumption with gas and is thus above the EU average, obtains more than half of its gas requirements from Russia. Germany does have the largest storage volumes within the EU and, with a storage capacity of around 24 bcm, ranks fourth in the world behind the USA, Russia and Ukraine. But even these reserves - unlike in recent years - are not better filled than in the rest of Europe ... New supply could only be attracted by higher prices. Germany would undoubtedly be the country most affected in the EU."

-0- Feb/17/2022 16:25 GMT

Echo chamber? The premise was that Germany got too green.
Germany's dependence on natural gas is the EXACT OPPOSITE of green tech.

Since 2010, Germany has tried to go green with renewables and retirement of nuclear and coal. The problem has been that renewables are more expensive and intermittent. Cost is a problem for the German manufacturing sector and intermittency is a problem for the whole society. Since Germany (really Merkel) political commitments to its phase out Nukes and Coal, and since you have to solve the aforementioned cost and intermittency problems, natural gas has been the answer for Germany. Since 2010, as a mix of production, Natural Gas has grown in Germany by about 33% while nuke and coal have declined by similar material percentage. And since Russia is the single most important supplier of natural gas to Germany, you now have Germany in a compromised geopolitical position with respect to Russia.

We are ALL in a compromised geopolitical position when it comes to oil in the first place. We have literally been at war in Asia for decades due to oil. Why wouldn’t we develop alternatives that don’t help finance authoritarians? Not to mention the destruction of our shared ecological heritage.

Going green also means retiring a lot of natural gas dependence.
Wind, solar, hydro, renewables that can be domestically produced...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How else are we going to get flyover country to give up their smelly trucks?

They may think twice before rolling coal.

Cause for celebration- I would like to see $10/gas. I walk and bike nearly everywhere.

Have you ever been to the midwest, pp? Have you ever visited rural America?
Do you understand that it is not possible for everyone to bike and walk everywhere?
Do you understand that the farmers that grow your food and raise your crops need fuel for their farm equipment?

You are just clueless.

They made dumb decisions about where to live. They chose to live in the middle of nowhere, rather than in a city with access to transit options or bike usage. Their making stupid choices about where they live and being dependent on gasoline in order to get to anywhere isn’t my problem. As for farmers, same question applies - why did they pick a farm out in the middle of nowhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Think long and hard where all the food comes from....

Expensive gas means expensive food sooner or later. At least rural people can grow their own food

Very little actual “food” is grown on US farms. Most is corn, which is used for animal feed and ethanol production for use in gasoline.

Reduce meat consumption and get rid of gasoline engines, and we wouldn’t even need most of the farms we currently have.

Soybeans (I'd be interested to hear about the vertical gardener's soybean crop and how much tofu they get out of it)
Barley
Oats
Oil seeds (are there enough olive trees in the world to replace all cooking oil with olive?)
Dry beans, peas, lentils
(noting that soybeans, oats, and peas are the source for your non-dairy milks)
And of course the corn going into animal feed is going into animals used as a food source
So let's talk about pasture/grass fed meat
--pastured poultry--yes there are farms that raise them, but the economics are probably not viable for al l the poultry consumed annually. The cost of producing pasture raised chicken is about $27 per bird.
Consumer cost of grass fed beef varies by cut, but you are looking at $14/lb wholesale price for stew meat.

US has cheap food prices (and cheap gas prices) but this is what you're looking at, assuming there is sufficient agricultural land to support all this. And you can't re-wild the midwest if you're going to feed all those chickens.

It takes more food to raise livestock than the food that they produce.

These calculations represent FCRs (Feed Conversion Ratios) for crop-fed farmed animals. In other words, how much more food each animal consumes than they produce. Typical feed crops are grains and legumes: corn, soy, and wheat.

Chickens – 2x-5x
Pigs – 4x-9x
Cows – 6x-25x

A cow consumes 25 times the amount of food that it produces upon slaughter. That is not exactly going to work when there are 8 billion humans to feed.

[Anonymous]

Take public transit
Bike and walk more
Buy local produce
Build more dense housing near transit and have walkable communities

Invest in railways and public transit infrastructure and not more highways for cars

[Anonymous]

Amtrak is disgusting, anyone can walk onboard armed, conductors and engineers don’t give a poop about customer service, and Americans love their cars and hate each other.

When’s the last time you took Amtrak (not biz class/Acela)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Take public transit
Bike and walk more
Buy local produce
Build more dense housing near transit and have walkable communities

Invest in railways and public transit infrastructure and not more highways for cars

Just think, after a few more years of delays and tens of billions invested, you might be able to take a train from Merced to Bakersfield CA.

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Anonymous wrote:Buy a Tesla and problem solved.

Yeah, because your average household making $65k can afford a $50k car. A car that has all sorts of phantom braking problems recently too. Get out of your insane echo chamber.

DP. Assuming he meant "Tesla" like "Q-Tip". But to defeat the pedantry:

https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-11-cheapest-electric-vehicles-you-can-buy-439849/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take public transit
Bike and walk more
Buy local produce
Build more dense housing near transit and have walkable communities

Invest in railways and public transit infrastructure and not more highways for cars

Just think, after a few more years of delays and tens of billions invested, you might be able to take a train from Merced to Bakersfield CA.

Russia and the Soviet Union build the most vast, expansive railway system in the world. And capitalist, innovative America can’t do it for jack shat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take public transit
Bike and walk more
Buy local produce
Build more dense housing near transit and have walkable communities

Invest in railways and public transit infrastructure and not more highways for cars

Just think, after a few more years of delays and tens of billions invested, you might be able to take a train from Merced to Bakersfield CA.

Russia and the Soviet Union build the most vast, expansive railway system in the world. And capitalist, innovative America can’t do it for jack shat.

Please don’t make dumb arguments about Russian infrastructure over U.S.

[Anonymous]

I hope it does. That will unleash a new wave of oil drilling which is the key to the US economy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take public transit
Bike and walk more
Buy local produce
Build more dense housing near transit and have walkable communities

Invest in railways and public transit infrastructure and not more highways for cars

Just think, after a few more years of delays and tens of billions invested, you might be able to take a train from Merced to Bakersfield CA.

Russia and the Soviet Union build the most vast, expansive railway system in the world. And capitalist, innovative America can’t do it for jack shat.

Please don’t make dumb arguments about Russian infrastructure over U.S.

Russia is barley even a functioning country. If they invade they will be returned to the stone ages.

[Anonymous]

Wow, we sure have a lot of Russia / dictatorship lovers on a political forum in the US. Seems kind of odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope it does. That will unleash a new wave of oil drilling which is the key to the US economy.

Do you not understand how climate change works?

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Anonymous wrote:Fun fact, buy an electric car and who cares.

All the red necks with their lifted F250 super duty are the ones complaining about gas prices.

I don’t know a person that has mentioned gas prices, most don’t even look because they know they need it and it’s really not that big of a deal. Gas is still much lower than it was in 2005-2007 time frame.

Probably because you live in a liberal bubble.
And, ..... If you "don't know a person that has mentioned gas prices," how do you know they are "all the red necks with their lifted F250 super duty?"

Because everyone complaining on the internet/social media all drive dumb massive trucks (with no logical reason to own them other that is exudes FREEDOM!).

I don’t drive an electric car bc I don’t care if gas is 3 or 4 a gallon.

So did you just admit that a liberal bubble = self sufficient people who won’t freak out over a $.30 increase in gas prices!? If so, yup. That’s me!

So how Much does gas cost?. I’ve got to be honest in never really paid attention. 30, 40, 50, 60 a tank? I think about $50 right??? Sheesh I pay more than that on almost nightly DoorDash. So I’ll make a grilled cheese sandwich once a week if in need to tighten my belt so be it. 😀 If the high gas prices get you down eat a grilled cheese! Voila! Problem solved!