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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How else are we going to get flyover country to give up their smelly trucks?

They may think twice before rolling coal.

Cause for celebration- I would like to see $10/gas.  I walk and bike nearly everywhere.[/quote]

Have you ever been to the midwest, pp?  Have you ever visited rural America?  
Do you understand that it is not possible for everyone to bike and walk everywhere?
Do you understand that the farmers that grow your food and raise your crops need fuel for their farm equipment?

You are just clueless.  [/quote]

They made dumb decisions about where to live. They chose to live in the middle of nowhere, rather than in a city with access to transit options or bike usage. Their making stupid choices about where they live and being dependent on gasoline in order to get to anywhere isn’t my problem. As for farmers, same question applies - why did they pick a farm out in the middle of nowhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.  [/quote]

Think long and hard where all the food comes from....

Expensive gas means expensive food sooner or later. At least rural people can grow their own food ;)

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Very little actual “food” is grown on US farms. Most is corn, which is used for animal feed and ethanol production for use in gasoline.

Reduce meat consumption and get rid of gasoline engines, and we wouldn’t even need most of the farms we currently have. [/quote]

Soybeans (I'd be interested to hear about the vertical gardener's soybean crop and how much tofu they get out of it)
Barley
Oats
Oil seeds (are there enough olive trees in the world to replace all cooking oil with olive?)
Dry beans, peas, lentils
(noting that soybeans, oats, and peas are the source for your non-dairy milks)
And of course the corn going into animal feed is going into animals used as a food source 
So let's talk about pasture/grass fed meat
--pastured poultry--yes there are farms that raise them, but the economics are probably not viable for al l the poultry consumed annually. The cost of producing pasture raised chicken is about $27 per bird. 
Consumer cost of grass fed beef varies by cut, but you are looking at $14/lb wholesale price for stew meat.

US has cheap food prices (and cheap gas prices) but this is what you're looking at, assuming there is sufficient agricultural land to support all this. And you can't re-wild the midwest if you're going to feed all those chickens. [/quote]

It takes more food to raise livestock than the food that they produce.

These calculations represent FCRs (Feed Conversion Ratios) for crop-fed farmed animals. In other words, how much more food each animal consumes than they produce. Typical feed crops are grains and legumes: corn, soy, and wheat.

Chickens – 2x-5x
Pigs – 4x-9x
Cows – 6x-25x

A cow consumes 25 times the amount of food that it produces upon slaughter. That is not exactly going to work when there are 8 billion humans to feed.

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