I want transparency and accountability from UVA

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It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.

I actually do know someone doing this right now. They graduated last year from HS and had around a 4.0 at their NoVA public school and knew that that was not enough to get them into UVA. They definitely would have gotten into several other VA schools, probably including VA Tech, but they had their heart set on UVA. They have been doing NOVA for the year, have great grades and a very intense PT job. They just applied to transfer for next year, but of course if they keep their grades up and take the required courses, they are guaranteed to get in the year after. This was a conscious choice and they did not even apply anywhere else.
I actually do know someone doing this, one of my DS's friends.

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That's college without the fun of being in college.

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Anonymous wrote:That's college without the fun of being in college.

For some people, securing their future is more important than short-term gratification.

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It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.

I actually do know someone doing this right now. They graduated last year from HS and had around a 4.0 at their NoVA public school and knew that that was not enough to get them into UVA. They definitely would have gotten into several other VA schools, probably including VA Tech, but they had their heart set on UVA. They have been doing NOVA for the year, have great grades and a very intense PT job. They just applied to transfer for next year, but of course if they keep their grades up and take the required courses, they are guaranteed to get in the year after. This was a conscious choice and they did not even apply anywhere else.
I actually do know someone doing this, one of my DS's friends.

Yes, nice anecdote but what was the student missing with 4.0 GPA that he needed to go to a community college? Course rigor? Regardless anecdotes are anecdotes. There are thousands others who don’t find this relevant or appealing to them.

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It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.

I actually do know someone doing this right now. They graduated last year from HS and had around a 4.0 at their NoVA public school and knew that that was not enough to get them into UVA. They definitely would have gotten into several other VA schools, probably including VA Tech, but they had their heart set on UVA. They have been doing NOVA for the year, have great grades and a very intense PT job. They just applied to transfer for next year, but of course if they keep their grades up and take the required courses, they are guaranteed to get in the year after. This was a conscious choice and they did not even apply anywhere else.
I actually do know someone doing this, one of my DS's friends.

Yes, nice anecdote but what was the student missing with 4.0 GPA that he needed to go to a community college? Course rigor? Regardless anecdotes are anecdotes. There are thousands others who don’t find this relevant or appealing to them.

No they are not missing anythign and took APS and DE courses throughout. They graduated HS with an associates degree already. This person has their sights set on medical school and felt that saving money on community college and then going to their dream school was the best plan. Frankly, pretty darn mature. I'm glad they applied to transfer for next year and hope they get in, but if they don't I'm sure they will the following year.

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It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.

I actually do know someone doing this right now. They graduated last year from HS and had around a 4.0 at their NoVA public school and knew that that was not enough to get them into UVA. They definitely would have gotten into several other VA schools, probably including VA Tech, but they had their heart set on UVA. They have been doing NOVA for the year, have great grades and a very intense PT job. They just applied to transfer for next year, but of course if they keep their grades up and take the required courses, they are guaranteed to get in the year after. This was a conscious choice and they did not even apply anywhere else.
I actually do know someone doing this, one of my DS's friends.

Yes, nice anecdote but what was the student missing with 4.0 GPA that he needed to go to a community college? Course rigor? Regardless anecdotes are anecdotes. There are thousands others who don’t find this relevant or appealing to them.

No they are not missing anythign and took APS and DE courses throughout. They graduated HS with an associates degree already. This person has their sights set on medical school and felt that saving money on community college and then going to their dream school was the best plan. Frankly, pretty darn mature. I'm glad they applied to transfer for next year and hope they get in, but if they don't I'm sure they will the following year.

I will say I would not recommend this for my kids... but I respect the heck of this kid for doing it.

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It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.

I actually do know someone doing this right now. They graduated last year from HS and had around a 4.0 at their NoVA public school and knew that that was not enough to get them into UVA. They definitely would have gotten into several other VA schools, probably including VA Tech, but they had their heart set on UVA. They have been doing NOVA for the year, have great grades and a very intense PT job. They just applied to transfer for next year, but of course if they keep their grades up and take the required courses, they are guaranteed to get in the year after. This was a conscious choice and they did not even apply anywhere else.
I actually do know someone doing this, one of my DS's friends.

Yes, nice anecdote but what was the student missing with 4.0 GPA that he needed to go to a community college? Course rigor? Regardless anecdotes are anecdotes. There are thousands others who don’t find this relevant or appealing to them.

No they are not missing anythign and took APS and DE courses throughout. They graduated HS with an associates degree already. This person has their sights set on medical school and felt that saving money on community college and then going to their dream school was the best plan. Frankly, pretty darn mature. I'm glad they applied to transfer for next year and hope they get in, but if they don't I'm sure they will the following year.

It is a strategy. Probably pretty good one for a med school. GPA is very important for med school, so getting all As at CC helps. Low tuition helps too. Doesn’t help my student who is interested in math and will be way above CC level by the time he graduates.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.

This is not the way any college selects students. Why would you want that. There is no formula.

UT is required to do just that by state law. Virginia could impose the same standards on state schools if they choose to

No they can't UT is not UVA. Size matters.

Sure the Commonwealth could do the same. Just say top 2% high schoolers with X SAT/ACT get to go. Done.

Okay, playing that game for Fairfax county:

HS Graduates Total 14.057
2% = 281 to be enrolled per your suggestion
Currently Admission rate to UVA 1,315 students with a yield rate around 50%

So according to your idea, and going with that yield rate, only 562 students from Fairfax county should be offered admission into UVA with the hopes half decline.

What is it too few? Too many? You can adjust numbers, bring SAT into play. Or use any other factors that are allowed by law but be clear about them. Like other posters mentioned the rest of the world figured out how to do it. It is not rocket science

The legislature can pass the law and let the school figure it out. Fewer OOS and foreign students would make the numbers work (that's what UT did)

It should be top X% for each HS.

Not for the state.

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No they are not missing anythign and took APS and DE courses throughout. They graduated HS with an associates degree already.

Would that work for the UVA CC transfer program?

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Anonymous wrote:This is what we foreigners have been saying for years, OP. In the rest of the world, there is a formula, or at least much more of one than here. You have the grades, you get in, is what it essentially boils down to.

Here admissions committees are allowed to be racist, discriminatory, and they openly favor children of alumni, children of billionaire donors, and children with no particular academic strength who happen to be good at sports.

It's disgusting, and yet, the brain-washed American people continue to believe it's a great "holistic" system and they beggar themselves or their children to get in, instead of voting for politicians who might make university low-cost, like in other developed countries.

In other countries the state contribution to tuition is basically one hundred percent. There is no way that tax burden would be tolerated here.

Maybe, if you paired down colleges to what their European equivalents offer (in terms of housing, food, extra curricular, sports...) and cut the number of seats across the system starting in high school though graduate school to match systems that start weeding out far younger the costs might not be that different.

Are you saying European universities offer "paired down" housing compared to American universities? I find this surprising. When I was planning a trip to Scotland a few years ago, I remember seeing an economical option in some cities to stay in university dorms, since it was summer and there were no students. The accommodation offered in these dorms were FAR nicer than the dorms my kids have had in college--private rooms with larger beds, compared to the shared rooms/twin XL beds that US colleges have!

And good luck getting major universities to "pair down" football!

Football is a net positive for revenue. Swimming/Lacrosse/soccer... all lose money. If you were staying at Edinborough or St Andrews you were staying at very rich school well supported by foreigners paying tuition as well as centuries old endowments. Try doing the same at a more modern continental university.

UVA football makes a profit. Most football programs lose money. UVA's athletics programs overall loses money and relies on student fees, like most universities. A select few turn an overall athletics profit.

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It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.

This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/

I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.

That was the 90s. Things have changed as the top UCs have become ridiculously competitive. My nephew was his school valedictorian and didn't get into his preferred UC so he's taking the transfer route.

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Anonymous wrote:Either this is a highly disgruntled parent of a deferred/rejected student or someone testing the waters on what next to get parents worked up after CRT.

I don’t think a bunch of white, wealthy suburban parents talking about UVA will be an election issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).

Maybe it’s fear of being rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:Either this is a highly disgruntled parent of a deferred/rejected student or someone testing the waters on what next to get parents worked up after CRT.

I don’t think a bunch of white, wealthy suburban parents talking about UVA will be an election issue.

Who would have thought that following CDC guidelines or acknowledging racism would be election issues either.

People are dumb AF and will get frothed up over anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).

Maybe it’s fear of being rejected.

Or perhaps just has no interest