Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

A lab scientist working on Covid or any number of diseases. Also climate change. Glad you think women are just walking incubators and child care workers.

If that’s what you got out of that post, I feel absolute pity for you.

Being a mother is not the most important job any woman can do. It is NOT a woman's job alone. There are fathers, aunts, uncles, neighbors, grandparents, church members, teachers, and community members who also act as "mothers." You don't get that child rearing is a community based activity, not some mantle a woman has because of her uterus. Birthing a child does not make a woman a mother and there are more ways women can contribute to society. In fact, wasn't the person behind the covid vaccine a woman? I am sure she will tell her kids about her achievements one day. Because women are NOT one thing. And if you don't get that, you can crawl into your hole.

For most women, motherhood is easily the most important accomplishment of their lives. It's hard to deny that women seem to have a biological hardwiring that predisposes them to be the primary childcarer. It does not mean having children should be the only focus of a woman's life, and fathers should be heavily involved too. But, frankly, the whole idea a woman can give birth and then expect a whole "village" to jump in to help raise the children is both clueless and impractical. Most people have very limited interest in other people's children. A teacher or neighbor can never replace a mother. Even aunts and uncles are not the same as your own parents. The nuclear family model is one that provides the most support, and going from all sociological studies in modern nations, nothing can ever come close to replacing the strong support of a nuclear family arrangement - assuming, of course, it is a good one, and that is not always the case.

The delayed births in Western nations seems to be correlated with rising cost of living more than anything else.

You just described social changes resulting from the industrial revolution, which began in 1750. Humans have been around much longer than that. Communal arrangements were the norm for millennia.

Nuclear families have been around for millennia too. I would refute your assertion communal arrangements were the "norm" outside hunter gatherer societies that functioned as a single clan unit. There has always been a distinct difference - in all civilized societies - between the nuclear household and the surrounding community and context. The concept of a nuclear family with a mom and dad and their children is ancient and as far back as ancient Greece Aristotle talked about how the family unit was the core base unit of society, the "atom" of society.

Frankly, for all your idealizations of some hypothetical village raising your kids, I'm not sure if you really want that. Because do you know who has the closest communities of network support via family and churches and neighbors? Conservative people... somehow I suspect you don't want conservative Republican voting people having a say in how your kids are raised....

People lived in clans for many more years than civilization. That’s 5000 years old. While nuclear families aren’t new, there was typically extended family to help. Or children just worked right alongside parents.

Are you advocating policy changes to get women out of the workforce or is this just your personal belief?

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Anonymous wrote:Judging based on my family, friends and acquaintances, I feel it's the case for every developed country.

This is a key sign of a failing country. You cannot keep your population numbers as sustaining with this. You are on your way to being Japan.

I would say the average age of my friends having their first kid was between 31 and 37. It's not the end of the world to have that happen. We all have between two and three kids.

Not the end of the world at all. I had my first kid at 31. Now have four of them and thinking about whether to have one more.

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Anonymous wrote:Judging based on my family, friends and acquaintances, I feel it's the case for every developed country.

This is a key sign of a failing country. You cannot keep your population numbers as sustaining with this. You are on your way to being Japan.

Well, then you should lobby your representatives for more immigration or more family friendly policies.

Or drastically less sexist attitudes from the men. There have been a couple of articles over the years about what is expected from mothers in Japan. It is insane.

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Have you seen British men’s teeth?

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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t know anyone who had a child before 30. And I got married young. I had my first at 30 and was one of the youngest.

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Well, there was this girl in HS who dropped out. But everyone else who figured out how to use birth control waited until they were ready.

Imagine being smug about waiting until your 30s to have your first child. High probability you and/or your husband die before you experience the joy of grandchildren.

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What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you seen their options? I get it

I am late twenties, single, and child-free. I am not single/child-free because I wanted to focus on my career, casually hookup, and party it up in my 20s. I always wanted to get married young and family is important to me. However, I have not found a quality partner in this area who is attractive to me and treats me well and shares my values. I think I would prefer to be alone than to be with a man who treats me poorly and whose character I don't respect.

I don't think women are the only part of this equation. My peers and I wish we had more decent options.

absolutely. Women have upped their game over the years. Many men... not so much. They think they should be able to get any attractive woman just because they have a pulse and a job. A woman doesn't want to marry a man-baby.

I don’t think most women have upped their game at all.

I think elite tier women have, yes

But your average flyover woman was WAY more attractive 60 years ago.

Men have dropped their game also — agreed.

As problematic as this post is, I agree somewhat. Not only because of weight - but also because of fakeness. Way too many Kardashian-type fake body parts and overly made up Instagram wannabe looks. People in the past were more naturally beautiful.

Speaking for myself, I’m conventionally attractive, but I think more by a modern standard than traditional beauty. I’m big into fitness and weightlifting. Not as traditionally feminine as women 60 years ago.

I’m sure you look great and amazonian but if you are under 5’7, the whole anglo/American gym weightlifting women trend just makes you look like a cartoon character.

Mainland euro women are always roasting how American women are “sporty”…and it’s not in a good way.

You mean as they suck on their cancer sticks and fry their skin to the consistency of shoe leather? So very very attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Sounds like more fun than sitting at home with a house full of babies like my grandmother. Also I like owning my own house and having my own retirement portfolio. You do you, Dugger.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

And another thing, if money is so tight, why does basically every gal under age 40 on my Facebook have a master's or law degree? Racking up six-figures of debt and flushing two to three years of peak fertility down the drain on a worthless overpriced degree, which they seek for status purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

And another thing, if money is so tight, why does basically every gal under age 40 on my Facebook have a master's or law degree? Racking up six-figures of debt and flushing two to three years of peak fertility down the drain on a worthless overpriced degree, which they seek for status purposes.

Do you feel that way about men with law degrees? Worthless and only for status purposes?

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Sounds like more fun than sitting at home with a house full of babies like my grandmother. Also I like owning my own house and having my own retirement portfolio. You do you, Dugger.

I know dozens of college-educated young mothers with professional careers who weren't duped by the propaganda. Sorry you were.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

And another thing, if money is so tight, why does basically every gal under age 40 on my Facebook have a master's or law degree? Racking up six-figures of debt and flushing two to three years of peak fertility down the drain on a worthless overpriced degree, which they seek for status purposes.

Do you feel that way about men with law degrees? Worthless and only for status purposes?

Yes, but more young women than men are buying these worthless credentials. And also, key difference, men can procreate until they die, women lose 90% of their viable eggs by age 30.

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Sounds like more fun than sitting at home with a house full of babies like my grandmother. Also I like owning my own house and having my own retirement portfolio. You do you, Dugger.

I know dozens of college-educated young mothers with professional careers who weren't duped by the propaganda. Sorry you were.

Duped by propoganda into what, exactly? Buying a house? Having kids after 30? I did both of those things and am pretty happy with my life. Personally, I feel sorry for young women who are pressured by family or their religious background into marrying super young and having kids before 25. They're the ones who never got a chance to see much of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

And another thing, if money is so tight, why does basically every gal under age 40 on my Facebook have a master's or law degree? Racking up six-figures of debt and flushing two to three years of peak fertility down the drain on a worthless overpriced degree, which they seek for status purposes.

Do you feel that way about men with law degrees? Worthless and only for status purposes?

Yes, but more young women than men are buying these worthless credentials. And also, key difference, men can procreate until they die, women lose 90% of their viable eggs by age 30.

LOL. Okay grandpa. You must not know many "gals under 40" if every single one of them has a worthless law or masters degree that they can't use professionally. Worthless! While they flush away their eggs! You don't know a single woman under 40 who had a successful advanced degree or had a healthy baby over 30! Not a single one on all of Facebook, I tell you!!!

Also, why do you care what they do?