CRT clubs in schools

[Anonymous]

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Yes, it does seem like we are getting caught up a bit in the language. But I think that's only part of it...

Postmodernist scholars pretty much think language is all there is. So that's part of the context of how these issues bubble up to the surface where people who have no concept of postmodernism (or other isms for that matter) can start to see them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: it's black folks like me and my kids that suffer when the backlash comes.

That's an excellent point. White people writing checks that black people have to cash is an old story in this country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: it's black folks like me and my kids that suffer when the backlash comes.

That's an excellent point. White people writing checks that black people have to cash is an old story in this country.

To be clear, I meant white people writing checks that black people have to pay for. (Occurred to me that the previous statement could be read in reverse as some drive by comment on white people paying for black people.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are so hyper-individualistic in this country that we cannot even begin to process how the “example from half century ago” could have ramifications on the life of your white child and her black best friend. The inability to build family wealth using the most common wealth building strategies for middle class and working white families over the last 50+ years that colored people were deliberately excluded from is exactly the privilege being discussed. Insurmountable? No. Reason for the white child to feel guilt? Heck no. Relevant to every black family? No. Helping understand why there are systemic issues that need to be tackled? Yes. And all Americans should be a part of that solution regardless of their race.

I think a lot of people can agree with what you just wrote.

What a lot of people are taking issue with is the rise of Kendi style antiracism that seeks to guilt people into subordinating all other concerns for issues of race. The whole everything is either racist or antiracist framing is such a blunt way of activating people. While I understand Kendi sort of approaches this from a philosophical level, many people have taken his worldview as justification to label almost anything and everything racist. It just tramples over everything and makes a mockery of intersectionality.

I remember not that long ago a mother of a disabled child who was complaining she couldn't be heard. Some progressive poster shamed her basically for not making race her top priority. I understand it's a "privilege" for that mother to not have to think about race. On the other hand, does that progressive poster understand the disabled child could be dealing with issues that might be more debilitating than the color of their skin?

I agree that systemic racism is real, but there's a segment of progressives that need to tone it down and gain some perspective. People have legitimate reasons to have other priorities, and labeling large swaths of people as racists is a quick way to make them turn on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

It seems that OP’s DD wants to make a difference and a leader in this subject among high school students. This young woman is series about it.
However, I do see a problem. As one of PPs said, only the oppressed has a say about their experiences and the privileged white should just listen. How will OP’s DD to discuss CRT in her club?
By the way, its a great EC on college application.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Yes, it does seem like we are getting caught up a bit in the language. But I think that's only part of it...

Postmodernist scholars pretty much think language is all there is. So that's part of the context of how these issues bubble up to the surface where people who have no concept of postmodernism (or other isms for that matter) can start to see them.

Right. We are all equal at birth and have equal opportunities throughout life. There is no substance to these discussions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

We are so hyper-individualistic in this country that we cannot even begin to process how the “example from half century ago” could have ramifications on the life of your white child and her black best friend. The inability to build family wealth using the most common wealth building strategies for middle class and working white families over the last 50+ years that colored people were deliberately excluded from is exactly the privilege being discussed. Insurmountable? No. Reason for the white child to feel guilt? Heck no. Relevant to every black family? No. Helping understand why there are systemic issues that need to be tackled? Yes. And all Americans should be a part of that solution regardless of their race.

Well said.

Yes. It’s really not that long ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Yes, it does seem like we are getting caught up a bit in the language. But I think that's only part of it...

Postmodernist scholars pretty much think language is all there is. So that's part of the context of how these issues bubble up to the surface where people who have no concept of postmodernism (or other isms for that matter) can start to see them.

Right. We are all equal at birth and have equal opportunities throughout life. There is no substance to these discussions.

Unless hypocritical people of color stop coming here from their countries of origin to live on the lands of (insert ingenious tribe here), getting citizenship and status that would never be granted in their country of origin to someone without roots there, it’s talk. I don’t want to hear a single word.

Unless virtue grandstanding whites are going to find an ADOS or Native American family to sign their inheritance over to, it’s just talk. I’ll be alright but I have multiple cousins that can use what is owed to them according to the current views on reparations.

None of you will do any of that, so it’s just that—talk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes, it does seem like we are getting caught up a bit in the language. But I think that's only part of it...

Postmodernist scholars pretty much think language is all there is. So that's part of the context of how these issues bubble up to the surface where people who have no concept of postmodernism (or other isms for that matter) can start to see them.

Right. We are all equal at birth and have equal opportunities throughout life. There is no substance to these discussions.

Not quite sure how this prior comment is connected to the prior comment about postmodernism and language. From the eye roll, I gather that it's intended as sarcastic disagreement, but I'm missing the link between the two comments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are so hyper-individualistic in this country that we cannot even begin to process how the “example from half century ago” could have ramifications on the life of your white child and her black best friend. The inability to build family wealth using the most common wealth building strategies for middle class and working white families over the last 50+ years that colored people were deliberately excluded from is exactly the privilege being discussed. Insurmountable? No. Reason for the white child to feel guilt? Heck no. Relevant to every black family? No. Helping understand why there are systemic issues that need to be tackled? Yes. And all Americans should be a part of that solution regardless of their race.

I think a lot of people can agree with what you just wrote.

What a lot of people are taking issue with is the rise of Kendi style antiracism that seeks to guilt people into subordinating all other concerns for issues of race. The whole everything is either racist or antiracist framing is such a blunt way of activating people. While I understand Kendi sort of approaches this from a philosophical level, many people have taken his worldview as justification to label almost anything and everything racist. It just tramples over everything and makes a mockery of intersectionality.

I remember not that long ago a mother of a disabled child who was complaining she couldn't be heard. Some progressive poster shamed her basically for not making race her top priority. I understand it's a "privilege" for that mother to not have to think about race. On the other hand, does that progressive poster understand the disabled child could be dealing with issues that might be more debilitating than the color of their skin?


I agree that systemic racism is real, but there's a segment of progressives that need to tone it down and gain some perspective. People have legitimate reasons to have other priorities, and labeling large swaths of people as racists is a quick way to make them turn on you.

But I really doubt that poster's child is disabled because of systemic forces, the way that (some say) black folks, for example, are systemically disadvantaged by such forces. For the most part, congenital physical disabilities occur at random across race/SES groups --- or at least no one could say that her child is disabled because of the color of his/her (white?) skin. And it's not as if "black" and "disabled" are mutually exclusive. What about black families with disabled children?!?! They certainly can't toss off their race-based challenges to the side because their kid happens to be disabled...hell, the former probably exacerbates the latter. No...they don't have the luxury of de-prioritizing one for the other, because both impact them.

But I agree that it's foolish to flippantly label folks racist and generally think most of the "anti-racist" language is a turn-off. I'm decidedly not woke. But that's because I'm a racial cynic who thinks that most white people don't give a damn about systemic racism anyway...and never will. It's not a matter of not prioritizing...it's just a non-issue for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

Sounds wonderful!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

It seems that OP’s DD wants to make a difference and a leader in this subject among high school students. This young woman is series about it.
However, I do see a problem. As one of PPs said, only the oppressed has a say about their experiences and the privileged white should just listen. How will OP’s DD to discuss CRT in her club?
By the way, its a great EC on college application.

If whites are allowed into the club at all, wouldn’t it be best to limit them to not speaking and just be there in an observer / student role?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

It seems that OP’s DD wants to make a difference and a leader in this subject among high school students. This young woman is series about it.
However, I do see a problem. As one of PPs said, only the oppressed has a say about their experiences and the privileged white should just listen. How will OP’s DD to discuss CRT in her club?
By the way, its a great EC on college application.

If whites are allowed into the club at all, wouldn’t it be best to limit them to not speaking and just be there in an observer / student role?

Troll gonna troll I see. But I'll bite. No - the contributions/ insights/ experiences/ concerns of white students would be particularly crucial to any such effort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

It seems that OP’s DD wants to make a difference and a leader in this subject among high school students. This young woman is series about it.
However, I do see a problem. As one of PPs said, only the oppressed has a say about their experiences and the privileged white should just listen. How will OP’s DD to discuss CRT in her club?
By the way, its a great EC on college application.

If whites are allowed into the club at all, wouldn’t it be best to limit them to not speaking and just be there in an observer / student role?

Troll gonna troll I see. But I'll bite. No - the contributions/ insights/ experiences/ concerns of white students would be particularly crucial to any such effort.

How so?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

It seems that OP’s DD wants to make a difference and a leader in this subject among high school students. This young woman is series about it.
However, I do see a problem. As one of PPs said, only the oppressed has a say about their experiences and the privileged white should just listen. How will OP’s DD to discuss CRT in her club?
By the way, its a great EC on college application.

If whites are allowed into the club at all, wouldn’t it be best to limit them to not speaking and just be there in an observer / student role?

Troll gonna troll I see. But I'll bite. No - the contributions/ insights/ experiences/ concerns of white students would be particularly crucial to any such effort.

How so?

By flogging themselves until the white privilege is bled out of them. Does that work for you troll?