UMC suburban college student lied about background to become prestigious Rhodes Scholar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's another long read that provides more details from both sides, including why multiple panels at Penn determined that Fierceton had lied: https://www.bigtrial.net/2022/01/in-pillow-talk-conspiracy-penns.html

The prosecutor calls the abuse charges against the mother the biggest mistake of his career, a cousin who lived with Fierceton and her mother denies the abuse and accuses the kid of causing her own injuries, etc etc etc. There's also a lot of detail about Fierceton's involvement in another lawsuit against Penn. Still seems to me that this is one very smart but very crazy young woman.

Wow. That is a pretty big admission.

Honestly a mother and cousin publicly talking trash about this young woman cannot be considered reliable narrators.

Sure if the prosecutor did not want to lose his job the mothers lawyer wrote his statement for him.

Come on people the mother pushed her down stairs, did not take her to a doctor and the school had to take her to a hospital and she spent ~ a month there.

Her father would not take her and she ended up in foster care. WTF … if she is UMC where is the father? Grandparents? Uncles/aunts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

Rhodes was fed BS from Penn.

Nothing is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

I don’t think they were wrong to admit her - she could clearly do the work and excelled. I do think this is a reflection of what happens when universities and awards etc put a lot of chips down on the “personal hardship” narrative.

I question the honesty of her academic achievements in light of these revelations.

[Anonymous]

Tabloid material

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10394333/Rhodes-Scholar-claimed-abused-accused-making-up.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

Rhodes was fed BS from Penn.

Nothing is irrelevant.

Come on. The Rhodes committee is not going to just take the word of Penn, and they didn’t. They did their own investigation, with access to records that aren’t public, and reached their own conclusions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

You can be awarded the Rhodes, even with the 3.7 minimum gpa requirement waived (!) and not be accepted to Oxford. The truth will drip out on this, just like with Elizabeth Holmes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

Rhodes was fed BS from Penn.

Nothing is irrelevant.

Come on. The Rhodes committee is not going to just take the word of Penn, and they didn’t. They did their own investigation, with access to records that aren’t public, and reached their own conclusions.

I don’t trust a college to do an “investigation” clearly they botch every rape case. Cops do investigations not schools. They were fed BS, they even are stupid enough to say “her cousin said…”, what? Who cares did her cousin see the stair incident? If not, did it not happen?

Rhodes did a full investigation… in her state with physical evidence. No not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

Rhodes was fed BS from Penn.

Nothing is irrelevant.

Come on. The Rhodes committee is not going to just take the word of Penn, and they didn’t. They did their own investigation, with access to records that aren’t public, and reached their own conclusions.

I don’t trust a college to do an “investigation” clearly they botch every rape case. Cops do investigations not schools. They were fed BS, they even are stupid enough to say “her cousin said…”, what? Who cares did her cousin see the stair incident? If not, did it not happen?

Rhodes did a full investigation… in her state with physical evidence. No not even close.

You seem oddly worked up about this.

Do you think she should keep her Rhodes scholarship in light of everything that has come out? I have a hard time seeing why that would be the right decision with the facts we have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to summarize -

1. Her mother is a doctor
2. There was some kind of incident between mother and teenage daughter that led to abuse charges (later dropped)
3. The daughter was actually in foster care for a period of time
4. The daughter definitely embellished significant parts of her origin story

Wow, that's a lot. Fierceton sounds like she has a few screws loose, but maybe so does her mother?

And the bio mom ratted out the daughter after she had won the Rhodes (BTW Ivies, in particular, spend a lot of time selecting and grooming Rhodes' candidates - of course Penn would take it away, and diploma, if she faked her story, which her bio mom says she did).

You left out the 22 days in the hospital after her mother physically abused her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys are conflating the question of whether she was abused or not with the provable lie of claiming first generation and poor. They are separate things. She’s not first gen college or poor, no matter what her mom did.
I’ve suffered horrific abuse, as in someone is *still* in prison for what happened to me. This is unrelated to the fact that I’m not a first gen college grad, and I’m not from a financially/economically disadvantaged family of origin.

I'm sorry. I hope you have some peace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Penn and the Rhodes committee have access to the hospital records in their investigation? I thought they did.

I have to think that they would be highly inclined to find any way they could for her to keep her scholarship and degrees, because this looks so embarrassing for both institutions. Therefore I think the odds of wrongdoing by Fierceton seem high. Universities never, ever want to admit they made admissions mistakes.

You missed the lawsuit portion of the story. That gives them a high motive.

No, it doesn’t. For institutions the size of Penn, Fierceton’s involvement in the lawsuit is irrelevant. Also, the Rhodes committee is independent entirely of the lawsuit.

Rhodes was fed BS from Penn.

Nothing is irrelevant.

Come on. The Rhodes committee is not going to just take the word of Penn, and they didn’t. They did their own investigation, with access to records that aren’t public, and reached their own conclusions.

I don’t trust a college to do an “investigation” clearly they botch every rape case. Cops do investigations not schools. They were fed BS, they even are stupid enough to say “her cousin said…”, what? Who cares did her cousin see the stair incident? If not, did it not happen?

Rhodes did a full investigation… in her state with physical evidence. No not even close.

You seem oddly worked up about this.

Do you think she should keep her Rhodes scholarship in light of everything that has come out? I have a hard time seeing why that would be the right decision with the facts we have.

Sure, why not?

They admitted her because she can do the work and she has a troubled upbringing.

All of that is still true.

She has no family (emancipated), she was abused (mother pushed her down stairs and hospitalized for - a month), her father abandoned her, she was in foster care, her mom is enough of a psycho she contacted Rhodes/Penn to tell “her side of the story… psycho!)

The rest is so minor in light of her psycho family.

[Anonymous]

I'm waiting for people who actually knew her before her acceptance to Penn to come out with their thoughts on her character & motivations. Back before she changed her name and set her sights on Oxford. Something just isn't right here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting for people who actually knew her before her acceptance to Penn to come out with their thoughts on her character & motivations. Back before she changed her name and set her sights on Oxford. Something just isn't right here.

Loved to hear about her father. Why he let her go to foster care. Why he divorced the mom.

[Anonymous]

Where has it been shown conclusively that it was her mother who called in the anonymous tip? Someone keeps repeating that here, but that doesn’t seem to be proven anywhere.