The entire AAP program should be eliminated

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

FCPS doesn’t even have middle school sport teams. Do you even live here?

My friends who have kids at MS say that there are sports clubs at MS. Not the same as HS but a sports option. My kid is in ES so I have not looked into it myself but I am not sure why my friends would lie about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

FCPS doesn’t even have middle school sport teams. Do you even live here?

My friends who have kids at MS say that there are sports clubs at MS. Not the same as HS but a sports option. My kid is in ES so I have not looked into it myself but I am not sure why my friends would lie about it.

Just looked at the website and there are at least 4 sports club at my kids future MS.

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Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

FCPS doesn’t even have middle school sport teams. Do you even live here?

My friends who have kids at MS say that there are sports clubs at MS. Not the same as HS but a sports option. My kid is in ES so I have not looked into it myself but I am not sure why my friends would lie about it.

They aren’t teams, they are clubs where anyone from the school can join and a teacher will let them play amongst each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that by next year every school will have AAP and their own cutoff scores? What about center schools?

I can't imagine they'll force it this way completely eliminating centers in one cycle... center schools would suddenly have a glut of capacity while some of the feeder schools would suddenly be overcrowded. I think they may be moving that direction in the long run, but I can't imagine it'll be overnight. Maybe they do it on a cohort basis so that next year all 3rd graders stay local, but kids currently in 3rd-5th can stay with their center until they go to MS... so the enrollment shifts would phase in 25% per year rather than all-at-once. I have no idea if that's the plan, but they'd have to do something along those lines I'd think.

[Anonymous]

I have an AAP kid. I don't think we should get rid of it, but the admissions process is a complete joke and should be re-done. And the problem aren't the kids, it's the asshat parents who really do think their kids are superior.

[Anonymous]

The new Local Level IV programs are rolled out starting with third grade only. My so deferred AAP placement to stay at the base school. He is in fourth grade. There is now a third grade LLIV but there is nothing for fourth grade. I would imagine that the centers will see a drop in numbers as more base schools add LLIV and parents can choose to stay at the base school. Essentially, the Center schools will start to see the number of kids attending their program shrink.

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Anonymous wrote:The new Local Level IV programs are rolled out starting with third grade only. My so deferred AAP placement to stay at the base school. He is in fourth grade. There is now a third grade LLIV but there is nothing for fourth grade. I would imagine that the centers will see a drop in numbers as more base schools add LLIV and parents can choose to stay at the base school. Essentially, the Center schools will start to see the number of kids attending their program shrink.

I dunno. All the schools that go to our center have had LL4 for years. People are still sending to center. Waste of resources.

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Anonymous wrote:The new Local Level IV programs are rolled out starting with third grade only. My so deferred AAP placement to stay at the base school. He is in fourth grade. There is now a third grade LLIV but there is nothing for fourth grade. I would imagine that the centers will see a drop in numbers as more base schools add LLIV and parents can choose to stay at the base school. Essentially, the Center schools will start to see the number of kids attending their program shrink.

I dunno. All the schools that go to our center have had LL4 for years. People are still sending to center. Waste of resources.

When all schools have a complete program, they'll eliminate that option, right? Otherwise, what's the point?

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Anonymous wrote:The new Local Level IV programs are rolled out starting with third grade only. My so deferred AAP placement to stay at the base school. He is in fourth grade. There is now a third grade LLIV but there is nothing for fourth grade. I would imagine that the centers will see a drop in numbers as more base schools add LLIV and parents can choose to stay at the base school. Essentially, the Center schools will start to see the number of kids attending their program shrink.

I dunno. All the schools that go to our center have had LL4 for years. People are still sending to center. Waste of resources.

Depends on the feeder school. There are people who use AAP to leave the school they are in. They don’t like the school and apply and appeal in order to get to the Center because they see it as a better school.

Our Center school only has two feeders and neither send many kids to the Center. Our school has Advanced Math starting in 3rd. The other feeder school has Local Level IV. The Center ends up with enough kids for 1 AAP class per grade. I also know that kids return from the Center because the kids at the Center school tend not to socialize a ton and the kids want to be back with their friends. It is not going to help that our school just started LLIV so that the few kids who went to the Center have less incentive to go.

I am guessing that Center is going to go away on its own as it is.

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IM not going to read 10 pages of this thread, I just wanted to say I agree.

How about just going back to a good 'ol G and T program that only has the top 5-10% of truly gifted kids in it? They do need differentiation. AAP is just a glorified segregation system that is easily and unfairly gamed by those with resources and a burning desire to accelerate their kids to get more resources, whether they need them or not.

[Anonymous]

There are gifted programs at all levels of public schooling, including honors programs in state schools. They serve a need.

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Referring to state universities.

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Anonymous wrote:IM not going to read 10 pages of this thread, I just wanted to say I agree.

How about just going back to a good 'ol G and T program that only has the top 5-10% of truly gifted kids in it? They do need differentiation. AAP is just a glorified segregation system that is easily and unfairly gamed by those with resources and a burning desire to accelerate their kids to get more resources, whether they need them or not.

5 to 10% is not truly gifted. It would have to be a much smaller number. By the way, my kids scored 98th% and 99th% percentile on the Cogat and the 98th percentile didn't even get in. So it is not just that the acceptance is very broad, it's that they seem to be looking for a certain kind of learner.

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Anonymous wrote:The new Local Level IV programs are rolled out starting with third grade only. My so deferred AAP placement to stay at the base school. He is in fourth grade. There is now a third grade LLIV but there is nothing for fourth grade. I would imagine that the centers will see a drop in numbers as more base schools add LLIV and parents can choose to stay at the base school. Essentially, the Center schools will start to see the number of kids attending their program shrink.

I dunno. All the schools that go to our center have had LL4 for years. People are still sending to center. Waste of resources.

Depends on the feeder school. There are people who use AAP to leave the school they are in. They don’t like the school and apply and appeal in order to get to the Center because they see it as a better school.

Our Center school only has two feeders and neither send many kids to the Center. Our school has Advanced Math starting in 3rd. The other feeder school has Local Level IV. The Center ends up with enough kids for 1 AAP class per grade. I also know that kids return from the Center because the kids at the Center school tend not to socialize a ton and the kids want to be back with their friends. It is not going to help that our school just started LLIV so that the few kids who went to the Center have less incentive to go.

I am guessing that Center is going to go away on its own as it is.

I am PP whose center school takes kids from all feeder schools with LL4. We have had many kids come back in 5th/6th grade because of the environment. I truly don’t get why parents think center schools are superior. You can gave inexperienced or untrained teachers in both scenarios. At our school, all of our teachers are trained and have been in the position for many years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are gifted programs at all levels of public schooling, including honors programs in state schools. They serve a need.

Gifted children need gifted programs. Advanced children need instruction appropriate to their levels of advancement. That's not in dispute. The question is whether kids who are around 1 standard deviation above the norm and who are maybe 1 year ahead ought to be completely segregated from all of the average kids. The other question is whether it's problematic for upper middle class parents to work the system and get their somewhat above average kids into this segregated program.