The entire AAP program should be eliminated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

Hear hear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

DP. You're misunderstanding the analogy. It's about parents and sour grapes, not similarity of program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

DP. You're misunderstanding the analogy. It's about parents and sour grapes, not similarity of program.

The analogy is poor because the programs are not analogous.

First, I have not heard of parents who call for sports to be dropped because their kids do not make the team. I have heard of parents who complain about the selection process and they might call for a Coach to be fired because of, what they see as, clear favoritism. But they are not syaing to get rid of the football team.

But more importantly, sports are an extra curricular and not a mandate. Access to a free education is a mandate. We also have the idea that there should be equal opportunity of access to specialized programs. FCPS is getting to the point of equal opportunity of access by expanding Local Level IV so that kids can who are advanced among their peers at school have a chance to be challenged in a different class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

DP. You're misunderstanding the analogy. It's about parents and sour grapes, not similarity of program.

The analogy is poor because the programs are not analogous.

First, I have not heard of parents who call for sports to be dropped because their kids do not make the team. I have heard of parents who complain about the selection process and they might call for a Coach to be fired because of, what they see as, clear favoritism. But they are not syaing to get rid of the football team.

But more importantly, sports are an extra curricular and not a mandate. Access to a free education is a mandate. We also have the idea that there should be equal opportunity of access to specialized programs. FCPS is getting to the point of equal opportunity of access by expanding Local Level IV so that kids can who are advanced among their peers at school have a chance to be challenged in a different class.

FCPS has always been at that point. Every child takes the NNAT and Cogat, it is not by parent or teacher referral like some other school districts.

What you are advocating is for every child to be in AAP, which is analogous to wanting every child to be on the football/lax team, every child to be in the highest level band class, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

DP. You're misunderstanding the analogy. It's about parents and sour grapes, not similarity of program.

The analogy is poor because the programs are not analogous.

First, I have not heard of parents who call for sports to be dropped because their kids do not make the team. I have heard of parents who complain about the selection process and they might call for a Coach to be fired because of, what they see as, clear favoritism. But they are not syaing to get rid of the football team.

But more importantly, sports are an extra curricular and not a mandate. Access to a free education is a mandate. We also have the idea that there should be equal opportunity of access to specialized programs. FCPS is getting to the point of equal opportunity of access by expanding Local Level IV so that kids can who are advanced among their peers at school have a chance to be challenged in a different class.

FCPS has always been at that point. Every child takes the NNAT and Cogat, it is not by parent or teacher referral like some other school districts.

What you are advocating is for every child to be in AAP, which is analogous to wanting every child to be on the football/lax team, every child to be in the highest level band class, etc.

No, I am understanding that kids who come from different backgrounds do not come to school prepared for school or exams like the NNAT and the CogAT. That does not mean that the bright kids from those backgrounds are not going to need to be challenged. Having an AAP class in their school that meets those bright kids at their level is fine.

Local Level IV helps the kids who are ahead at their school and there is nothing wrong with that. The expectations at an ES where the kids are predominantly wealthy are different then the expectations for the kids at a Title 1 school, we all know that. Why wouldn’t we expect that there are kids who are ahead of their peers at a Title 1 school and why shouldn’t be something at their school to meet their needs? It benefits the kids and society as a whole to help those kids meet their potential.

Using your sports analogy, do you not have a football team or a basketball team at every school even though some schools do not match up with others on the playing field? I played basketball on a team that was predominantly Asian in high school. I was a 5’8” center. The other schools we played against centers who were 6’2”. We got crushed when we played them. We still played and we still learned as a team.

Better yet, there are academic teams from poor schools that compete against better off schools, do we tell the poor schools not to bother because the kids don’t have the same resources or backgrounds?

Meet the kids were they are. Local Level IV does just that. It identifies the kids who are ahead at their schools and provides them with the challenge that they need. The kids at the better off schools have their Local Level IV programs that meet the needs of their students. And that is just fine.

[Anonymous]

FCPS should absolutely keep the center model for parents who want that for their kids. A local level IV is just not going to be as challenging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

DP. You're misunderstanding the analogy. It's about parents and sour grapes, not similarity of program.

The analogy is poor because the programs are not analogous.

First, I have not heard of parents who call for sports to be dropped because their kids do not make the team. I have heard of parents who complain about the selection process and they might call for a Coach to be fired because of, what they see as, clear favoritism. But they are not syaing to get rid of the football team.

But more importantly, sports are an extra curricular and not a mandate. Access to a free education is a mandate. We also have the idea that there should be equal opportunity of access to specialized programs. FCPS is getting to the point of equal opportunity of access by expanding Local Level IV so that kids can who are advanced among their peers at school have a chance to be challenged in a different class.

FCPS has always been at that point. Every child takes the NNAT and Cogat, it is not by parent or teacher referral like some other school districts.

What you are advocating is for every child to be in AAP, which is analogous to wanting every child to be on the football/lax team, every child to be in the highest level band class, etc.

No, I am understanding that kids who come from different backgrounds do not come to school prepared for school or exams like the NNAT and the CogAT. That does not mean that the bright kids from those backgrounds are not going to need to be challenged. Having an AAP class in their school that meets those bright kids at their level is fine.

Local Level IV helps the kids who are ahead at their school and there is nothing wrong with that. The expectations at an ES where the kids are predominantly wealthy are different then the expectations for the kids at a Title 1 school, we all know that. Why wouldn’t we expect that there are kids who are ahead of their peers at a Title 1 school and why shouldn’t be something at their school to meet their needs? It benefits the kids and society as a whole to help those kids meet their potential.

Using your sports analogy, do you not have a football team or a basketball team at every school even though some schools do not match up with others on the playing field? I played basketball on a team that was predominantly Asian in high school. I was a 5’8” center. The other schools we played against centers who were 6’2”. We got crushed when we played them. We still played and we still learned as a team.

Better yet, there are academic teams from poor schools that compete against better off schools, do we tell the poor schools not to bother because the kids don’t have the same resources or backgrounds?

Meet the kids were they are. Local Level IV does just that. It identifies the kids who are ahead at their schools and provides them with the challenge that they need. The kids at the better off schools have their Local Level IV programs that meet the needs of their students. And that is just fine.

The analogy is that parents are upset about sports and about AAP. Mostly white parents, fwiw, upset with other white parents, "on behalf of" other parents.

[Anonymous]

The analogy is that if a school wants a soccer team everyone should be on the same team and get the same coaching.

I have twins(fraternal). They excel at different things. I wouldn’t want them in the same (level) classroom. One can easily handle 4 AP/Honors classes. One needs a tutor to manage gen ed classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The analogy is that if a school wants a soccer team everyone should be on the same team and get the same coaching.

I have twins(fraternal). They excel at different things. I wouldn’t want them in the same (level) classroom. One can easily handle 4 AP/Honors classes. One needs a tutor to manage gen ed classes.

No because soccer is an extra curricular, it is optional. The school doesn’t have to offer it, it is an extra.

School is mandatory.

But to play out your bogus analogy, most High School sports have multiple levels that kids can play, like freshmen, junior varsity and varsity so most kids make a team, they might not play the varsity. Kind of like Gen Ed classes, Honors, and AP/IB. the difference is that schools have to provide schooling, they don’t have to provide athletics.

[Anonymous]

You are purposely missing the point. Kids have different skill sets. That is okay. Putting kids where they belong allows everyone to be confident in their abilities. Though I would be all for sports moving into community alternatives. Let school be for academics only. The money we save on not have sports team can pay for a whole lot of tutors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are purposely missing the point. Kids have different skill sets. That is okay. Putting kids where they belong allows everyone to be confident in their abilities. Though I would be all for sports moving into community alternatives. Let school be for academics only. The money we save on not have sports team can pay for a whole lot of tutors.

No, I am not. Sports are not the reason why there is an issue with AAP or SPED or any other program. Not to mention, Sports is a motivating factor for a good number of kids. You can’t play on the team without maintaining a certain GPA and without maintaining certain behavior. Sports teaches many kids important lessons that carry over to the classroom.

But the argument for dropping sports in thread has never been because it is too expensive. People use it as a lame analogy for kids who get cut from a team and over involved parents. They argue that equity should mean every kid makes the team. That is how sports gets brought up. And it is a ridiculous argument. I don’t expect every kid to be taking the same classes in high school. I also think that AAP is needed at every school. Some kids need SPED, some are fine in Gen Ed, and some need AAP. And it could very well be the cut off for AAP in some schools is different then other schools because the kids are coming with different backgrounds, preparation for school, and needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might support getting rid of AAP if and when we get rid of Ms and HS sports team that don’t treat everyone (and play), everyone the same.

I agree with you. Let’s eliminate sports teams first and then AAP.

MS has rec teams and there are no cut teams in high school. More importantly, sports teams are voluntary, not required. Kids are suspended and removed from teams due to bad grades and behavior.

FCPS doesn’t even have middle school sport teams. Do you even live here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are purposely missing the point. Kids have different skill sets. That is okay. Putting kids where they belong allows everyone to be confident in their abilities. Though I would be all for sports moving into community alternatives. Let school be for academics only. The money we save on not have sports team can pay for a whole lot of tutors.

No, I am not. Sports are not the reason why there is an issue with AAP or SPED or any other program. Not to mention, Sports is a motivating factor for a good number of kids. You can’t play on the team without maintaining a certain GPA and without maintaining certain behavior. Sports teaches many kids important lessons that carry over to the classroom.

But the argument for dropping sports in thread has never been because it is too expensive. People use it as a lame analogy for kids who get cut from a team and over involved parents. They argue that equity should mean every kid makes the team. That is how sports gets brought up. And it is a ridiculous argument. I don’t expect every kid to be taking the same classes in high school. I also think that AAP is needed at every school. Some kids need SPED, some are fine in Gen Ed, and some need AAP. And it could very well be the cut off for AAP in some schools is different then other schools because the kids are coming with different backgrounds, preparation for school, and needs.

There is now, in the next year, AAP at every school, with each school using its own cutoff.

It's a terrible way to implement the program, imo, but it's what many parents want. Now that's what they'll get.

[Anonymous]

Is it true that by next year every school will have AAP and their own cutoff scores? What about center schools?