Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Oh yeah, life goes on, long after the submarine search is gone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still stuck on the fact that any one of those guys could have quite literally contracted a commercially rated submersible and lived to tell the tale.

Why risk the backyard junk rigged sub?
There was an expert on the news this morning talking about how bad it would be for them if they were on the surface since they aren't strapped in they'd be rolling and bouncing around non stop as would all the waste products (urine feces vomit).

Yikes. I hadn’t even thought about the rolling around part. I wonder if being on the surface like that would make them easier to find or harder. Seems like the current would move them farther away more quickly on the surface than on the ocean floor. Although the submersible would obviously would easier to retrieve at the surface level…

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still stuck on the fact that any one of those guys could have quite literally contracted a commercially rated submersible and lived to tell the tale.

Why risk the backyard junk rigged sub?
There was an expert on the news this morning talking about how bad it would be for them if they were on the surface since they aren't strapped in they'd be rolling and bouncing around non stop as would all the waste products (urine feces vomit).

The more I hear about the guy and all the safety things he flouted, the more I'm convinced he was a sociopath.

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, he doesn’t have a point. Has he never heard of ocean currents?

This thing weighs 12 tons and is not buoyant. It would take a pretty major current to displace it THAT much.

DP. Yeah, I’m not really understanding the whole “search area the size of Connecticut” thing. I get that it could have moved somewhat from where it was dropped but the idea that ocean currents would push it 150 miles across the ocean floor seems crazy. Maybe I’m just not understanding how strong the currents are at that depth?

Yes, there are very strong currents there. The last submersible to get stuck in that area was a victim of a strong underwater current that slammed it against Titanic debris and got it stuck there for more than an hour. The ex-Russian Mig pilot of the sub was able to maneuver out of them, but it was touch and go.

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I think they are right next to the Titanic but cannot be seen for the debris.

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Watch this documentary about a previous voyage of Titan where the sub had technical difficulties on the bottom. https://vimeo.com/810451492

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Anonymous wrote:Watch this documentary about a previous voyage of Titan where the sub had technical difficulties on the bottom. https://vimeo.com/810451492

Edit: starts at 28 mins

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, he doesn’t have a point. Has he never heard of ocean currents?

This thing weighs 12 tons and is not buoyant. It would take a pretty major current to displace it THAT much.

DP. Yeah, I’m not really understanding the whole “search area the size of Connecticut” thing. I get that it could have moved somewhat from where it was dropped but the idea that ocean currents would push it 150 miles across the ocean floor seems crazy. Maybe I’m just not understanding how strong the currents are at that depth?

Yes, there are very strong currents there. The last submersible to get stuck in that area was a victim of a strong underwater current that slammed it against Titanic debris and got it stuck there for more than an hour. The ex-Russian Mig pilot of the sub was able to maneuver out of them, but it was touch and go.

I mean that’s what the experts know of course, but they don’t have anything on the tween kid of a DCUM poster!

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.

If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.

Keep up the extreme tourism if people want, but no public funds should be spent on rescue missions.

We have children and adults in this country that do not have enough food to eat, yet we instead divert funds to the Coast Guard to spend money on rescuing these idiots.

So I will ask again, I take it you don’t think the USCG should rescue crab fisherman either! Nice name calling by the way. I guess those who consume king crab are also idiots.

You truly are dumb if you cannot understand the difference between fisherman and this vanity tourism. Stop while you’re ahead because the comparison you “think” you’re making is just embarrassing for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still stuck on the fact that any one of those guys could have quite literally contracted a commercially rated submersible and lived to tell the tale.

Why risk the backyard junk rigged sub?
There was an expert on the news this morning talking about how bad it would be for them if they were on the surface since they aren't strapped in they'd be rolling and bouncing around non stop as would all the waste products (urine feces vomit).

The more I hear about the guy and all the safety things he flouted, the more I'm convinced he was a sociopath.

I don't think so - I think he's just another of these boy genius types who think that rules are for the dummy plebs. Break stuff types of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: why doesn’t Russia deploy a nuclear sub deep underwater near the wreck of the Titanic, since the entire US military seems wholly incapable of finding anything there?

They dont GAF?

+1 nuclear subs don't go 12000+ft deep which is where the capsule/Titanic is (typically 3000ft at best).

and even if Russia (and the US and Canada) did have submarines that could go deeper than 3000ft, I doubt they'd expose their secret weapons and won't play their cards for this debacle.

Right, military does not disclose how deep the subs go. Classified info and they’re not going to blow it on this.

Yep. That was my thinking, too. No country is going to blow their secrets on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the posters probably don’t think countries should have rescue missions in place for space farers either.

Elon Musk's vanity space farers? No.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, he doesn’t have a point. Has he never heard of ocean currents?

This thing weighs 12 tons and is not buoyant. It would take a pretty major current to displace it THAT much.

DP. Yeah, I’m not really understanding the whole “search area the size of Connecticut” thing. I get that it could have moved somewhat from where it was dropped but the idea that ocean currents would push it 150 miles across the ocean floor seems crazy. Maybe I’m just not understanding how strong the currents are at that depth?

They could have expanded the search area dramatically by attaching sonar buoys to dolphins’s tails, but the lack of urgency and incompetence of the search team is just astounding.

The incompetence began with the lack of safety features on this submersible. They lack a way of tracking them so that time can be spent on rescue instead of search. They have no safety mechanisms to strap people in safely. They have no way of exiting the sub without people unbolting it from the outside. The porthole is not rated to go as deep as it did.

And you're blaming the rescue operation?