Who did you think killed JonBenet?

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Anonymous wrote:^ huh? Patsy's ass could not fit into a child's size 12. You are weird for getting hung up on underwear.

Google the size 12 underwear. It doesn't look very small.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing makes sense to me unless they thought she was dead (or she was dead) and then fake strangled her as part of the staging. Is that possible?

Seems possible to me. I think John did the staging while Patsy wrote the ransom note. The 911 call is bizarre, as is so much of their behavior following that little girl's death.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

Father's side squeeze. The whole situation looks like a jealous person. Father seems to have something to hide.

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Anonymous wrote:Father's side squeeze. The whole situation looks like a jealous person. Father seems to have something to hide.

You would think that if John had thought that there was someone out there who hated him that much that he would have mentioned it a long time ago.

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If Burke accidentally killed her why go through the elaborate staging? Why not make it look like she fell down the stairs? Or just say the siblings were playing too rough? JonBenet seemed to be the favored child, especially by Patsy, I just don't see her taking such graphic steps towards her baby girl postmortem just to protect Burke. I could see Patsy helping her husband if he were the killer.

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Anonymous wrote:If Burke accidentally killed her why go through the elaborate staging? Why not make it look like she fell down the stairs? Or just say the siblings were playing too rough? JonBenet seemed to be the favored child, especially by Patsy, I just don't see her taking such graphic steps towards her baby girl postmortem just to protect Burke. I could see Patsy helping her husband if he were the killer.

Because Burke had already hit JonBenet in the head with a golf club (I believe it was a couple of years earlier) and already had a 'history' of accidentally hurting her; it would not be easy to claim that he had accidentally hit her so seriously again. They knew he would be in serious, serious trouble this time - and it wouldn't make them look like good parents to have him be so rough (even if by accident).

They went through the elaborate staging to cover up for him. It's the only thing that makes sense. They spent the night staging the scene, writing the weird ransom note, with Patsy never changing her outfit, and that's why they lied about Burke being asleep when he could be heard in the background during the 911 call (and John also heard saying to him 'We're not speaking to you.")

Burke did it by accident and they covered up for him.

[Anonymous]

The Dr. Phil Show today said DNA evidence collected under JB's fingernails, waistband of her pj's that night and underwear all matched, and it ruled out any of the family members.

I think the PD had tunnel vision. In the CBS show last night, why were they only looking at that one flashlight on the counter as the murder weapon? There was a baseball bat outside, and an intruder could've had their own flashlight, or even used something in the basement. The CBS show did not show them considering any other possibilities, or ruling them out.

[Anonymous]

DNA evidence on the underwear transferred to her fingernails and the waistband of her underwear.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dr. Phil Show today said DNA evidence collected under JB's fingernails, waistband of her pj's that night and underwear all matched, and it ruled out any of the family members.

I think the PD had tunnel vision. In the CBS show last night, why were they only looking at that one flashlight on the counter as the murder weapon? There was a baseball bat outside, and an intruder could've had their own flashlight, or even used something in the basement. The CBS show did not show them considering any other possibilities, or ruling them out.

Thanks for the update, I missed the show today. Any other new info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DNA evidence on the underwear transferred to her fingernails and the waistband of her underwear.

It was DNA from an unknown person -- not a family member.

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What I don't understand: police arrived at the house at 5:59 am. The body was not found until 1:05 pm by John and the neighbor, Fleet White.

WTF were the police doing during that time? Eating bagels and pineapple? Wouldn't one of the first things they would want to do is search the house? Look for ways an intruder might have gotten in???

And if they did have tunnel vision after seeing that ransom note and suspect the Ramseys, all the more reason to search the house. Search for clues that they might have kept something, stashed something, done something in the dark recesses of the basement. I don't get it. That is a long stretch of time for the body to be right under their nose.

The ransom note points so much to Patsy that it makes me think Fleet White or someone else who wanted revenge on the family did it. Like, not only will I take your daughter away from you but I will frame the family and totally ruin your life. I will use Patsy's pad, I will use the bonus amount, which few people would know, etc.

[Anonymous]

There's a photo from A&E or Dateline of the room before anyone knew she was behind the door. The police "searched" but didn't open the basement doors just photographed each main room.

[Anonymous]

About the DNA: Don't believe the info on Dr. Phil today is the 'final' word:

"To understand the DNA evidence, it's essential to keep in mind all the many different ways DNA can be transferred and to remind ourselves that a DNA match between a human and an object does not "necessarily prove they were actually in direct contact at all" (see quotation in previous post). What made me suspicious of this so-called "evidence" from the start was how incredibly sparse it was. If an intruder had actually attacked JonBenet with bare hands, then his DNA would be all over her body and her clothing, not to mention the "garotte" he used to strangle her. The complex, sophisticated methods used to produce miniscule traces of blood and "touch" DNA should not have been necessary. The DNA should have been evident from the start, using conventional methods. And if the attacker used gloves, then there would have been no DNA at all, certainly no touch DNA.

The fact that the DNA that was found was present in such small amounts tells us that, in all likelihood, it was either the result of an indirect transfer or came from a very old contact. Think of all the many ways in which JonBenet might have touched or been touched by someone -- a teacher, a classmate, a casual acquaintance. Think also of all the ways an indirect contact could have been made -- via a water fountain, a toy, a fall on a sidewalk or a mound of dirt, etc., etc. Once this got on her hands it could easily have been transferred to any part of her body, and certainly to her panties and longjohns.

The exotic and painstaking methods used to extract partial strands of DNA from blood, or "touch" DNA from some fabric that might contain only a handful of skin cells are meaningful only if there is already a viable suspect or set of possible suspects to test. And if in fact a match is found, then that would certainly suggest that this person might have been in contact with the victim. Though a lawyer could certainly argue for an indirect, and thus meaningless, connection. In cases where semen is found, and DNA from the semen can be matched with a suspect, that of course is a very different story. But in the Ramsey case no semen was found. In fact the body had been very thoroughly wiped down.

In sum, the DNA evidence -- all of it -- means nothing. A real intruder would have left all sorts of signs of his presence, including gobs of DNA (unless he was wearing gloves), and a real intruder, as I've already argued, would not have done all the things this intruder is supposed to have done. This DNA, like all the other "intruder evidence," is simply one more red herring to be added to all the rest in a long long story of obfuscation, delusion and denial."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Dr. Phil Show today said DNA evidence collected under JB's fingernails, waistband of her pj's that night and underwear all matched, and it ruled out any of the family members.

I think the PD had tunnel vision. In the CBS show last night, why were they only looking at that one flashlight on the counter as the murder weapon? There was a baseball bat outside, and an intruder could've had their own flashlight, or even used something in the basement. The CBS show did not show them considering any other possibilities, or ruling them out.

Thanks for the update, I missed the show today. Any other new info?

They showed the bedskirt from a guest bedroom that was disturbed, as if someone could've hidden under the bed there. That bedroom overlooked the driveway. John Ramsey is convinced that someone hid in the house and waited. He said they were gone for about 6 hours. They once again showed how easily an intruder could've gotten in through that basement window.

There was another break-in in the area a few months later. An intruder dressed like a Ninja tried to assault another 6-year old girl. The girl screamed, the mother came running and the intruder took off. The Denver PD would not even draw a sketch from the mother's description, and they didn't even consider there might be a link to the two crimes. There is a new police chief now in Boulder, only about 2-3 years ago, and they continue to investigate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand: police arrived at the house at 5:59 am. The body was not found until 1:05 pm by John and the neighbor, Fleet White.

WTF were the police doing during that time? Eating bagels and pineapple? Wouldn't one of the first things they would want to do is search the house? Look for ways an intruder might have gotten in???

And if they did have tunnel vision after seeing that ransom note and suspect the Ramseys, all the more reason to search the house. Search for clues that they might have kept something, stashed something, done something in the dark recesses of the basement. I don't get it. That is a long stretch of time for the body to be right under their nose.

The ransom note points so much to Patsy that it makes me think Fleet White or someone else who wanted revenge on the family did it. Like, not only will I take your daughter away from you but I will frame the family and totally ruin your life. I will use Patsy's pad, I will use the bonus amount, which few people would know, etc.

John is the one who disappeared for an hour and half. Was that before or after he found the body in the basement?