Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

If you live in the area and think that the majority of food delivery is done by Venezuelans on mopeds then you are a moron. You’re free to pick whether you are a moron or a liar. It’s your choice.

Hey dumbass, why don't you drive your ass down to Calvert and Conn and sit outside of Allen Woods Flowers for like 10 minutes on any random evening after 7pm tell me later how many mopeds you didn't see pulling up, hopping in to grab food, hopping back on and taking off. Moron and a liar, that's you!

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

It’s sort of ironic to watch the delivery drivers queued up in the morning outside Cracked Eggery to deliver breakfast to the Bike Bros and Density Bros on the Connecticut “corridor.” Livin’ their low carbon lifestyle dream!

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

It’s sort of ironic to watch the delivery drivers queued up in the morning outside Cracked Eggery to deliver breakfast to the Bike Bros and Density Bros on the Connecticut “corridor.” Livin’ their low carbon lifestyle dream!

Are you following them? That's creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

If you live in the area and think that the majority of food delivery is done by Venezuelans on mopeds then you are a moron. You’re free to pick whether you are a moron or a liar. It’s your choice.

Tell me more about the demographic makeup of doordash and taskrabbit delivery drivers. How often do you use these services? What is the tipping ettiquette? How do you afford paying a service charge and delivery fee for everything? It's all so fascinating. Is this the imagined future lifestyle? There's so much that I want to know.

So you’re choosing both moron and liar? You can see all of the delivery drivers in their cars double parked everywhere there’s a collection and of restaurants around town. At this stage I am not even sure if you are an adult.

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

If you live in the area and think that the majority of food delivery is done by Venezuelans on mopeds then you are a moron. You’re free to pick whether you are a moron or a liar. It’s your choice.

Tell me more about the demographic makeup of doordash and taskrabbit delivery drivers. How often do you use these services? What is the tipping ettiquette? How do you afford paying a service charge and delivery fee for everything? It's all so fascinating. Is this the imagined future lifestyle? There's so much that I want to know.

So you’re choosing both moron and liar? You can see all of the delivery drivers in their cars double parked everywhere there’s a collection and of restaurants around town. At this stage I am not even sure if you are an adult.

Oh no! Don't get me wrong. I just live a different type of life. I'm old and it's all so very foreign. My apologies. I'm just trying to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

If you live in the area and think that the majority of food delivery is done by Venezuelans on mopeds then you are a moron. You’re free to pick whether you are a moron or a liar. It’s your choice.

Hey dumbass, why don't you drive your ass down to Calvert and Conn and sit outside of Allen Woods Flowers for like 10 minutes on any random evening after 7pm tell me later how many mopeds you didn't see pulling up, hopping in to grab food, hopping back on and taking off. Moron and a liar, that's you!

First of all, this is hilarious. Second, let me know when you have confirmed “most” across the whole city. It’s incredible that you don’t live here and spend your time doing this.

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I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

If you live in the area and think that the majority of food delivery is done by Venezuelans on mopeds then you are a moron. You’re free to pick whether you are a moron or a liar. It’s your choice.

Hey dumbass, why don't you drive your ass down to Calvert and Conn and sit outside of Allen Woods Flowers for like 10 minutes on any random evening after 7pm tell me later how many mopeds you didn't see pulling up, hopping in to grab food, hopping back on and taking off. Moron and a liar, that's you!

First of all, this is hilarious. Second, let me know when you have confirmed “most” across the whole city. It’s incredible that you don’t live here and spend your time doing this.

It's incredible that your low brain cell count allows you to still type out semi-coherent sentences!

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Anonymous wrote:The same mindset is thinking and planning bike lane for South Dakota Ave. NE. IT is Time to recall all these politicians.

Why shouldn't SD Ave have a bike lane? It is a ridiculously dangerous road with very narrow sidewalks.

Its more a question of priorities. If you can only build X miles of bike lanes a year, is this the one you want to do? Why?

Is this one of the ones you don't want to do? Why?

Which one do you want to do? Why?

It doesn't connect to any other existing parts of the network. Its southernmost limit is a highway on-ramp. The retail it would sort of connect to isn't really suitable for bike trips (Costco + Lowes). Its a heavily used commuter and truck route. Likely usage would be minimal.

"It's a heavily used commuter and truck route" is a reason FOR bike lanes.

Which one do you want to do?

You haven't answered why it makes sense to do SD, so why would I engage in a sidetrack of a sidetrack?

To demonstrate that there is at least one bike lane project you are for.

It makes sense to have bike lanes on South Dakota Ave NE because it's a street that lots of people use to get places - as you (or whoever the PP was) explained.

So to you any busy road should have a bike lane? That's a great way to prioritize building a network... I'm starting to agree with the carbrains here, you people aren't serious.

To humor you, just looking at near by NE, I would support: Extending the Franklin/Monroe/Taylor lanes eastward, upgrading and extending the 18th street route, connecting the Arboretum to an existing route, create an Eastern-Galatin route which you could eventually link to the MBT/Fort Totten. Even doing Rhode Island makes more sense than SD.

By "busy", you mean: lots of drivers. Yes, if there are lots of drivers using a street, that shows that the street is useful for people who are going places, and that means it should also be safe and comfortable for people who are going places by bike. And yes, it is a great way to prioritize building a network.

Are there any actual bike lane projects, proposed by DDOT, that you support?

By this logic, DC should be removing vehicle lanes on I-395 to build bike lanes.

I-395 is not a street, it's a highway in the interstate highway system, and pedestrians and bicyclists are not allowed.

Connecticut Avenue and South Dakota Avenue are streets, and pedestrians and bicyclists are allowed. It is inappropriate for streets to prioritize driving over all other modes of transportation.

CT and SD are arterial roads specifically. It takes a lot more work to get bike lanes to work on arterials. They are largely unnecessary on most local roads, which leaves collector roads as the sweet spot. I really wish DDOT and "bike bros" would focus their efforts there.

Alternatively, arterials AND collectors. Keeping in mind that both terms describe cars and really are not appropriate for use in a transportation system that is supposed to prioritize safety and use by all modes.

Not to be pedantic but the number one priority and purpose of any transportation system is obviously transportation.

Of course! Transportation of people and goods. We need to stop acting as though the purpose of a transportation system were to transport cars and trucks.

Sometimes it seems some people on this thread believe that the food they they consume must magically arrive only from a Door Dash guy on an e-bike.

Usually it’s a Venezuelan on a moped, but okay.

DP. This post indicate to me that you don’t live in the area. There was an article in the Washington Post about the rise of Venezuelans on motor scooters. However, while an interesting group to write about, represent only a small fraction of the app based food delivery drivers in the city. Why are you posting about something in a place that you don’t live and seem to know little about?

DP. Nah, anybody who posts a photo from that silly demonstration by the No No Bike Lanes On Conn Ave group, in the pedestrianized area they opposed the pedestrianization of, is a local.

You’re conflating two different posts. Anyone that is out here saying that most food delivery drivers are Venezuelans on mopeds hasn’t set foot in the city.

Pretty sure both posts were made by the same poster.

Anyone who is out here saying that there aren't people on mopeds doing food delivery is remarkably unobservant.

What interest do you have in trying to or pretending to vouch for the bonafides of someone who obviously doesn’t live in the area? Do you live in the area? Are you the same poster? I’m going to guess no and yes. Honestly sad behavior.

Give it up. There was nothing clear in that post that indicated they weren't local. Most local people do not order doordash as much as you seem to. Speaking of which, it's none of my business but you should probably order less delivery.

If you live in the area and think that the majority of food delivery is done by Venezuelans on mopeds then you are a moron. You’re free to pick whether you are a moron or a liar. It’s your choice.

Hey dumbass, why don't you drive your ass down to Calvert and Conn and sit outside of Allen Woods Flowers for like 10 minutes on any random evening after 7pm tell me later how many mopeds you didn't see pulling up, hopping in to grab food, hopping back on and taking off. Moron and a liar, that's you!

First of all, this is hilarious. Second, let me know when you have confirmed “most” across the whole city. It’s incredible that you don’t live here and spend your time doing this.

It's incredible that your low brain cell count allows you to still type out semi-coherent sentences!

You are a desperately weird person who has a bizarre infatuation with a place other than the place where you live. You may want to reconsider your life choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

The backbone of the DC economy is commercial real estate which is kept afloat by MD and VA car commuters that pay $30+/day to park in trophy office buildings and drop $2k at business dinners at Joe’s. You make them sit in traffic and they stay home. Your lunchbox and bike lifestyle is not on the radar of city leaders, with good reason. Because it would bankrupt our city.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

The backbone of the DC economy is commercial real estate which is kept afloat by MD and VA car commuters that pay $30+/day to park in trophy office buildings and drop $2k at business dinners at Joe’s. You make them sit in traffic and they stay home. Your lunchbox and bike lifestyle is not on the radar of city leaders, with good reason. Because it would bankrupt our city.

That sounds about as current and forward-looking as exclaiming, “this is a man’s world!”

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

The backbone of the DC economy is commercial real estate which is kept afloat by MD and VA car commuters that pay $30+/day to park in trophy office buildings and drop $2k at business dinners at Joe’s. You make them sit in traffic and they stay home. Your lunchbox and bike lifestyle is not on the radar of city leaders, with good reason. Because it would bankrupt our city.

Not anymore, and not because of bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

The backbone of the DC economy is commercial real estate which is kept afloat by MD and VA car commuters that pay $30+/day to park in trophy office buildings and drop $2k at business dinners at Joe’s. You make them sit in traffic and they stay home. Your lunchbox and bike lifestyle is not on the radar of city leaders, with good reason. Because it would bankrupt our city.

Obviously commercial real estate is the backbone of the city’s economy. My only point is, the people who want bike lanes are not all “Bike Bros” in their 20s who live in apartments and order their food delivered. Which was basically the sole subject of the last two pages of this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

The backbone of the DC economy is commercial real estate which is kept afloat by MD and VA car commuters that pay $30+/day to park in trophy office buildings and drop $2k at business dinners at Joe’s. You make them sit in traffic and they stay home. Your lunchbox and bike lifestyle is not on the radar of city leaders, with good reason. Because it would bankrupt our city.

Obviously commercial real estate is the backbone of the city’s economy. My only point is, the people who want bike lanes are not all “Bike Bros” in their 20s who live in apartments and order their food delivered. Which was basically the sole subject of the last two pages of this discussion.

They are also 65 year olds that live in houses and order their food delivered?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the people who live in apartment buildings on Connecticut order for breakfast or what they think about bike lanes, and I’m not totally sure how some of you seem to be so certain you do. Personally, I live in a single family house, commute downtown by bike on Connecticut a few times a week, and go in person to pick up takeout restaurant orders except for maybe three or four times a year when we order delivery for our kids when we’re not home. Not sure DoorDash has anything to do with this entire debate?

The backbone of the DC economy is commercial real estate which is kept afloat by MD and VA car commuters that pay $30+/day to park in trophy office buildings and drop $2k at business dinners at Joe’s. You make them sit in traffic and they stay home. Your lunchbox and bike lifestyle is not on the radar of city leaders, with good reason. Because it would bankrupt our city.

Obviously commercial real estate is the backbone of the city’s economy. My only point is, the people who want bike lanes are not all “Bike Bros” in their 20s who live in apartments and order their food delivered. Which was basically the sole subject of the last two pages of this discussion.

Pretty sure the last two pages have been about someone who doesn’t live in the area getting mad and having a fit because it’s pointed out they obviously don’t live in the area.