Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Yeah crown is really not needed. There are also plenty of space in Magruder/sherwood. MCPS just wastes everyone’s tax dollars while causing so much disruption.

Sherwood has 473 available space, Magruder has 226, Wootton has 254, RM needs 122, QO needs 314, Gaithersburg is right at capacity. There is enough space to accommodate all the overcrowding. But now we’re in this mess of building this expensive brand new school with not enough students to fill. And everyone’s property tax increases with income tax increasing soon (they already tried once and it’s because MCPS budget is so high). Still there is no money to renovate Wootton for indefinite amount of time. When are we going to keep county councils and MCPS fiscally responsible for these?

Churchill is over crowded as well. Also, RM and Woodward/WJ area is seeing high growth. I doubt that extra seats won't be needed by county.

Woodward is sufficient to relieve WJ and other overcrowding at down county. MCPS projected QO/RM/gaithersburg to have like 1500 students overcrowding couple years back but now it’s projecting only like less than 500. I doubt in another couple years it would be any overcrowding even without crown. The enrollment trend is going down, not up.

Nah, Lots of schools will be around 100% despite Woodward opening and Woodward/WJ area is going to keep growing. Tons of constructions. There is no space to add Churchill kids on top of this. I would have liked entire study to be one but MCPS opted to keep them separate, but capacity wise it's not possible for Woodward to absorb everything.

Churchill needs 246 seats, but could well resolve the overcapacity in a few years with immersion students leaving. Montgomery county is losing people, not gaining. People are fed up and fleeing from this high tax trap to other counties. It’s only getting worse.

Immersion students will still occupy seats somewhere. There is hardly empty seats when you tally Woodward study. Ideally, both study should have been done as one. Also, ES study should have done at same time. once you have data it liteally take very little effrot to figure out better options. Anyway, what we have , we have.

Immersion students could have been sent to Crown? They're all going to school out of the area of their school based on residence anyways right?

Yes. that could be an option. Not all immersion kids are coming from out of boundary. I don't know what's the break up but if most kids are coming out of boudary then shifting immersion to Crown will be the least distuptive for many kids by freeing space in Churchill. Anytime , we can shift special program, it will be least disruptive. I am not aware of logistical problem in doing it. Some one should reach out ot MCPS to find it.

- RM parent

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Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Yeah crown is really not needed. There are also plenty of space in Magruder/sherwood. MCPS just wastes everyone’s tax dollars while causing so much disruption.

Sherwood has 473 available space, Magruder has 226, Wootton has 254, RM needs 122, QO needs 314, Gaithersburg is right at capacity. There is enough space to accommodate all the overcrowding. But now we’re in this mess of building this expensive brand new school with not enough students to fill. And everyone’s property tax increases with income tax increasing soon (they already tried once and it’s because MCPS budget is so high). Still there is no money to renovate Wootton for indefinite amount of time. When are we going to keep county councils and MCPS fiscally responsible for these?

Churchill is over crowded as well. Also, RM and Woodward/WJ area is seeing high growth. I doubt that extra seats won't be needed by county.

Woodward is sufficient to relieve WJ and other overcrowding at down county. MCPS projected QO/RM/gaithersburg to have like 1500 students overcrowding couple years back but now it’s projecting only like less than 500. I doubt in another couple years it would be any overcrowding even without crown. The enrollment trend is going down, not up.

Nah, Lots of schools will be around 100% despite Woodward opening and Woodward/WJ area is going to keep growing. Tons of constructions. There is no space to add Churchill kids on top of this. I would have liked entire study to be one but MCPS opted to keep them separate, but capacity wise it's not possible for Woodward to absorb everything.

Churchill needs 246 seats, but could well resolve the overcapacity in a few years with immersion students leaving. Montgomery county is losing people, not gaining. People are fed up and fleeing from this high tax trap to other counties. It’s only getting worse.

Immersion students will still occupy seats somewhere. There is hardly empty seats when you tally Woodward study. Ideally, both study should have been done as one. Also, ES study should have done at same time. once you have data it liteally take very little effrot to figure out better options. Anyway, what we have , we have.

Immersion students could have been sent to Crown? They're all going to school out of the area of their school based on residence anyways right?

Yes. that could be an option. Not all immersion kids are coming from out of boundary. I don't know what's the break up but if most kids are coming out of boudary then shifting immersion to Crown will be the least distuptive for many kids by freeing space in Churchill. Anytime , we can shift special program, it will be least disruptive. I am not aware of logistical problem in doing it. Some one should reach out ot MCPS to find it.

- RM parent

Some people in this thread actually want things to be as disruptive as possible , either because it fits their DEI agenda or because they stand to gain from the chaos.

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So this is how it looks for some students being rezoned to Crown:

-they'll be among a small group of students from their elementary school split off to the new school. Honestly I'm only counting 3 or 4 students in my kid's grade in our neighborhood

-it will be a 40 minute walk to and from school. Where previously they had bus service to the school and had the option of public transportation. For the posters saying it's only a five minute ride for them, the roads around schools during bell times are jam packed and will never be just five minutes. It's nice that you think those families can afford the inconvenient times more than other families

-there will potentially not be the same amount AP courses offered at the new school. And not the same number or cohort that families were expecting when they chose to live where they did

-there will be regional magnet programs that will draw more of the top performing students from the area schools. Meaning it would potentially bring down the level of the local schools even more. And if it's regional, how will they make the regions? The W schools all in one region and the east county schools in the other region? Guess we will have to wait and see what they propose

-The Wootton music program tried to foster the spirit and connection of their music program from elementary school. Where Frost students and teachers attend and participate in the elementary school music performances. Then Frost students have their performances at Wootton with the Frost and Wootton staff collaborating and talking about what a great experience the music experience at Wootton is. Is Crown the school where the auditorium will be built later? I might have it confused with another new school being/recently built. Meaning no large performances in the meantime? So they spent all the time having kids looking forward to joining the program, only to tell them that they're going somewhere else and possibly to a school with a program that doesn't have the same spirit?

-With some new schools not having an auditorium completed, it's reasonable to wonder if they'll have fields and enough players to fill competitive and desired teams. Same thing with orchestra/band, some players have been working and hoping to play for their local high school team.

While understanding that the new school needs to be filled, it's reasonable to see how these students are getting the short end of the stick for their high school experience and why families are unhappy.

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Anonymous wrote:So this is how it looks for some students being rezoned to Crown:

-they'll be among a small group of students from their elementary school split off to the new school. Honestly I'm only counting 3 or 4 students in my kid's grade in our neighborhood

-it will be a 40 minute walk to and from school. Where previously they had bus service to the school and had the option of public transportation. For the posters saying it's only a five minute ride for them, the roads around schools during bell times are jam packed and will never be just five minutes. It's nice that you think those families can afford the inconvenient times more than other families

-there will potentially not be the same amount AP courses offered at the new school. And not the same number or cohort that families were expecting when they chose to live where they did

-there will be regional magnet programs that will draw more of the top performing students from the area schools. Meaning it would potentially bring down the level of the local schools even more. And if it's regional, how will they make the regions? The W schools all in one region and the east county schools in the other region? Guess we will have to wait and see what they propose

-The Wootton music program tried to foster the spirit and connection of their music program from elementary school. Where Frost students and teachers attend and participate in the elementary school music performances. Then Frost students have their performances at Wootton with the Frost and Wootton staff collaborating and talking about what a great experience the music experience at Wootton is. Is Crown the school where the auditorium will be built later? I might have it confused with another new school being/recently built. Meaning no large performances in the meantime? So they spent all the time having kids looking forward to joining the program, only to tell them that they're going somewhere else and possibly to a school with a program that doesn't have the same spirit?

-With some new schools not having an auditorium completed, it's reasonable to wonder if they'll have fields and enough players to fill competitive and desired teams. Same thing with orchestra/band, some players have been working and hoping to play for their local high school team.

While understanding that the new school needs to be filled, it's reasonable to see how these students are getting the short end of the stick for their high school experience and why families are unhappy.

All of this is so valid.... With no juniors or seniors in the building the first year, many advanced, varsity options won't be available. I agree that someone needs to fill the new school, it's just a shame for the students who would want to take advantage of things being offered at other schools that physically can not happen at the new school (for a few years).

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Anonymous wrote:So this is how it looks for some students being rezoned to Crown:

-they'll be among a small group of students from their elementary school split off to the new school. Honestly I'm only counting 3 or 4 students in my kid's grade in our neighborhood

-it will be a 40 minute walk to and from school. Where previously they had bus service to the school and had the option of public transportation. For the posters saying it's only a five minute ride for them, the roads around schools during bell times are jam packed and will never be just five minutes. It's nice that you think those families can afford the inconvenient times more than other families

-there will potentially not be the same amount AP courses offered at the new school. And not the same number or cohort that families were expecting when they chose to live where they did

-there will be regional magnet programs that will draw more of the top performing students from the area schools. Meaning it would potentially bring down the level of the local schools even more. And if it's regional, how will they make the regions? The W schools all in one region and the east county schools in the other region? Guess we will have to wait and see what they propose

-The Wootton music program tried to foster the spirit and connection of their music program from elementary school. Where Frost students and teachers attend and participate in the elementary school music performances. Then Frost students have their performances at Wootton with the Frost and Wootton staff collaborating and talking about what a great experience the music experience at Wootton is. Is Crown the school where the auditorium will be built later? I might have it confused with another new school being/recently built. Meaning no large performances in the meantime? So they spent all the time having kids looking forward to joining the program, only to tell them that they're going somewhere else and possibly to a school with a program that doesn't have the same spirit?

-With some new schools not having an auditorium completed, it's reasonable to wonder if they'll have fields and enough players to fill competitive and desired teams. Same thing with orchestra/band, some players have been working and hoping to play for their local high school team.

While understanding that the new school needs to be filled, it's reasonable to see how these students are getting the short end of the stick for their high school experience and why families are unhappy.

Agree with the bold. I feel taking out very small zone to split for HS where only 3-4 students are going is problematic. I wish we did ES boundaries at the same time to avoid these issues, but we don't have that option.

I don't think Woodward has field, auditorium etc built. It is short changing kids who are getting bussed as holding school right now. The same situation may exist for our kids in Crown.

- RM Parent

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I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

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Anonymous wrote:So this is how it looks for some students being rezoned to Crown:

-they'll be among a small group of students from their elementary school split off to the new school. Honestly I'm only counting 3 or 4 students in my kid's grade in our neighborhood

-it will be a 40 minute walk to and from school. Where previously they had bus service to the school and had the option of public transportation. For the posters saying it's only a five minute ride for them, the roads around schools during bell times are jam packed and will never be just five minutes. It's nice that you think those families can afford the inconvenient times more than other families

-there will potentially not be the same amount AP courses offered at the new school. And not the same number or cohort that families were expecting when they chose to live where they did

-there will be regional magnet programs that will draw more of the top performing students from the area schools. Meaning it would potentially bring down the level of the local schools even more. And if it's regional, how will they make the regions? The W schools all in one region and the east county schools in the other region? Guess we will have to wait and see what they propose

-The Wootton music program tried to foster the spirit and connection of their music program from elementary school. Where Frost students and teachers attend and participate in the elementary school music performances. Then Frost students have their performances at Wootton with the Frost and Wootton staff collaborating and talking about what a great experience the music experience at Wootton is. Is Crown the school where the auditorium will be built later? I might have it confused with another new school being/recently built. Meaning no large performances in the meantime? So they spent all the time having kids looking forward to joining the program, only to tell them that they're going somewhere else and possibly to a school with a program that doesn't have the same spirit?

-With some new schools not having an auditorium completed, it's reasonable to wonder if they'll have fields and enough players to fill competitive and desired teams. Same thing with orchestra/band, some players have been working and hoping to play for their local high school team.

While understanding that the new school needs to be filled, it's reasonable to see how these students are getting the short end of the stick for their high school experience and why families are unhappy.

Agree with the bold. I feel taking out very small zone to split for HS where only 3-4 students are going is problematic. I wish we did ES boundaries at the same time to avoid these issues, but we don't have that option.

I don't think Woodward has field, auditorium etc built. It is short changing kids who are getting bussed as holding school right now. The same situation may exist for our kids in Crown.

- RM Parent

Its already announced crown will not have auditorium to start with.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

That’s for later. Not the first year.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

That’s for later. Not the first year.

The Woodward auditorium is scheduled for completion in summer 2027, before Woodward opens as its own school.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

That’s for later. Not the first year.

The Woodward auditorium is scheduled for completion in summer 2027, before Woodward opens as its own school.

That’s because Woodward has already been built. Crown hasn’t. Ask the current northwood students who are in Woodward which is a holding school for them now. They’re pissed off with 3 years without auditorium.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

That’s for later. Not the first year.

The Woodward auditorium is scheduled for completion in summer 2027, before Woodward opens as its own school.

Comment was about Northwood students who will spend 3 years. They don't have that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is how it looks for some students being rezoned to Crown:

-they'll be among a small group of students from their elementary school split off to the new school. Honestly I'm only counting 3 or 4 students in my kid's grade in our neighborhood

-it will be a 40 minute walk to and from school. Where previously they had bus service to the school and had the option of public transportation. For the posters saying it's only a five minute ride for them, the roads around schools during bell times are jam packed and will never be just five minutes. It's nice that you think those families can afford the inconvenient times more than other families

-there will potentially not be the same amount AP courses offered at the new school. And not the same number or cohort that families were expecting when they chose to live where they did

-there will be regional magnet programs that will draw more of the top performing students from the area schools. Meaning it would potentially bring down the level of the local schools even more. And if it's regional, how will they make the regions? The W schools all in one region and the east county schools in the other region? Guess we will have to wait and see what they propose

-The Wootton music program tried to foster the spirit and connection of their music program from elementary school. Where Frost students and teachers attend and participate in the elementary school music performances. Then Frost students have their performances at Wootton with the Frost and Wootton staff collaborating and talking about what a great experience the music experience at Wootton is. Is Crown the school where the auditorium will be built later? I might have it confused with another new school being/recently built. Meaning no large performances in the meantime? So they spent all the time having kids looking forward to joining the program, only to tell them that they're going somewhere else and possibly to a school with a program that doesn't have the same spirit?

-With some new schools not having an auditorium completed, it's reasonable to wonder if they'll have fields and enough players to fill competitive and desired teams. Same thing with orchestra/band, some players have been working and hoping to play for their local high school team.

While understanding that the new school needs to be filled, it's reasonable to see how these students are getting the short end of the stick for their high school experience and why families are unhappy.

Agree. I hope they come back in September with options that at the very least put the small neighborhoods back with their elementary school blocks. I think moving kids in larger blocks (entire elementary schools) would ease the transition somewhat, though it still won’t be easy for the reasons you mention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So this is how it looks for some students being rezoned to Crown:

-they'll be among a small group of students from their elementary school split off to the new school. Honestly I'm only counting 3 or 4 students in my kid's grade in our neighborhood

-it will be a 40 minute walk to and from school. Where previously they had bus service to the school and had the option of public transportation. For the posters saying it's only a five minute ride for them, the roads around schools during bell times are jam packed and will never be just five minutes. It's nice that you think those families can afford the inconvenient times more than other families

-there will potentially not be the same amount AP courses offered at the new school. And not the same number or cohort that families were expecting when they chose to live where they did

-there will be regional magnet programs that will draw more of the top performing students from the area schools. Meaning it would potentially bring down the level of the local schools even more. And if it's regional, how will they make the regions? The W schools all in one region and the east county schools in the other region? Guess we will have to wait and see what they propose

-The Wootton music program tried to foster the spirit and connection of their music program from elementary school. Where Frost students and teachers attend and participate in the elementary school music performances. Then Frost students have their performances at Wootton with the Frost and Wootton staff collaborating and talking about what a great experience the music experience at Wootton is. Is Crown the school where the auditorium will be built later? I might have it confused with another new school being/recently built. Meaning no large performances in the meantime? So they spent all the time having kids looking forward to joining the program, only to tell them that they're going somewhere else and possibly to a school with a program that doesn't have the same spirit?

-With some new schools not having an auditorium completed, it's reasonable to wonder if they'll have fields and enough players to fill competitive and desired teams. Same thing with orchestra/band, some players have been working and hoping to play for their local high school team.

While understanding that the new school needs to be filled, it's reasonable to see how these students are getting the short end of the stick for their high school experience and why families are unhappy.

Agree. I hope they come back in September with options that at the very least put the small neighborhoods back with their elementary school blocks. I think moving kids in larger blocks (entire elementary schools) would ease the transition somewhat, though it still won’t be easy for the reasons you mention.

Agree. If they don't want to include ES boundary changes in scope, then keep the ES neighborhoods together. Move the entire ES, not just sections of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

That’s for later. Not the first year.

The Woodward auditorium is scheduled for completion in summer 2027, before Woodward opens as its own school.

Comment was about Northwood students who will spend 3 years. They don't have that.

Crown isn't opening as a holding school, though. Not the same situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the recently approved budget did fund the Woodward and Crown auditoriums.

That’s for later. Not the first year.

The Woodward auditorium is scheduled for completion in summer 2027, before Woodward opens as its own school.

Comment was about Northwood students who will spend 3 years. They don't have that.

Crown isn't opening as a holding school, though. Not the same situation.

Woodward was built for 3 years with another 3 years to add auditorium. Crown will be the same. MCPS already announced funding for crown auditorium for later addition after opening. It’s a done deal. There is nothing to argue about.