Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

It tells you everything we need to know about these people: A bunch of lazy, attention-seeking narcissistic morons with nothing better to do than to harass Americans, scream death to America and bring absolutely nothing good to society. They are doing it at O'Hare today as well.

And, NYC. And, Philadelphia.

And, at least one Hezbollah flag was flying in NYC.
That person should be investigated for terror ties.

Waving an Israeli flag is much more disturbing. Look what that flag stand for.

Hezbollah......

"In 2001, pursuant to Executive Order 13224, the Department of the Treasury designated Hezbollah as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist entity. In 2010, State Department officials described Hezbollah as the most technically capable terrorist group in the world and a continued security threat to the United States."
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-terrorism-charges-against-high-ranking-hezbollah-member-who#:~:text=In%202001%2C%20pursuant%20to%20Executive,threat%20to%20the%20United%20States.

Anyone flying the flag of a terrorist organization should be investigated as a terrorist. Period.

Lol these people don't care. They don't even care about death in general. Just that their side is losing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Which is why Israel has no claim to reparations since the Holocaust happened 80 years ago.

[Anonymous]

“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

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Only Jewish lives matter

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That should be the motto of Israel

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75 -80 years ago was not a long time . There are elderly Palestinians who still have the childhood keys to their old homes in whats now Israel. Many of them wear the keys as necklaces or hang them in their homes/pass them on to their children as memories of their dead parents/old childhood homes.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Which is why Israel has no claim to reparations since the Holocaust happened 80 years ago.

I don’t think Israel is seeking reparations for the Holocaust. Some Holocaust survivors received meager reparations over 50 years ago. There have been some lawsuits over personal property disposition where Holocaust survivors and their detained seek compensation for art, for example, stolen by Nazis. But Israel as a nation isn’t seeking reparations for the Holocaust, nor are any Jewish people that I know of claiming some sort of entitlement to the homes and/or land they inhabited before the Holocaust.

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

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Anonymous wrote:Only Jewish lives matter

Again, a form of antisemitism. I remember saying “all lives matter” and then learning why that was an offensive statement to black people. When you say things like this, you reveal your true character and what is wrong with you. You’re an antisemite and you cannot even see it in yourself. I hope you self-reflect and get some peace. It’s one thing to be upset about needless Palestinian suffering, which any human can do (even Jews). But demonizing Israelis and Jews is antisemitic and that is what you’re doing.

I’m not going to spend all night arguing with you, but I hope you find peace.

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https://www.thejc.com/news/world/german-family-fear-eviction-from-home-forcibly-bought-from-jews-in-1939-px1vrfcp

This was one of several articles I found, there have been efforts to regain homes lost in Poland and Denmark as well. I think this is fair and find it horrifying that people coming back from the camps weren’t given their property back right away. But the same applies to everyone including Arabs expelled during the nakba

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Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

Anybody violently evicted from their homes and forced out of their homelands in the recent past should absolutely have the same options offered by UN Resolution 194. That is, they should either have the right of return or receive compensation. In my opinion, Native Americans should receive far more reparations than the occasional scant handouts they've been granted so far. If you want to talk about justice since the end of the colonial period, we agree.

Things get absurd when you try to go back 2,000 years to reclaim the land where a percentage of your ancestors may have once lived, and they really get ugly when you feel entitled to evict or butcher the people you used to share the land with, but who remained there from that time onward. It's worth considering where all of our ancestors lived 2,000 years ago. If you assume 25 years per generation, that's 80 generations and means we all have a LOT of ancestors who lived back then. The world population was much smaller at that time (perhaps 150 to 300 million). It's easy to see how closely related people living in what is now Israel must have been. My own ancestors probably lived in the Middle East and Europe, and I have distant cousins today who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a few other religions, and (mostly) secular. Trying to establish land ownership after 80 generations is virtually impossible. However, there are people alive today who were violently forced out of Palestine by the IDF and had all but the clothes on their backs stolen from them, and they cannot even visit the homes where they used to live. That is clearly an injustice that needs to be addressed.

So you favor a policy that would lead to civil wars across Africa, the ME, parts of Europe, and much of Asia?

Doesn't seem like the most humane approach to me.

Your idealism is...painful.

Painful…. and targeted exclusively at the only Jewish state among all the other conflicts in the world and all the other states created since WW2. 🤨

How on earth do you reach that conclusion after what I wrote above? I made it clear that anybody wrongly evicted, including Native Americans, should receive compensation, not just Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

Holocaust survivors will receive reparations for 10/7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Move on and get over it! ” - when it’s about Palestinian expulsion and death

“Never forget !!” -about Jewish expulsion and death.

I don’t think any Jews or the Israeli state have said “move on and get over it.”

I think weaponizing the Holocaust as you do is a form of antisemitism. It’s offensive. You might think it’s a witty statement, but it’s not true and it shows that you’re holding a chip on your shoulder about Jews and the Holocaust.

DP. I didn't see it as an attack on Jews or the Holocaust at all. It's an attitude that describes militant Zionists rather accurately and, unfortunately, reflects the attitudes of many leading officials in Israel. This is why there is currently a genocide underway. There's nothing antisemitic about pointing out this out.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

Anybody violently evicted from their homes and forced out of their homelands in the recent past should absolutely have the same options offered by UN Resolution 194. That is, they should either have the right of return or receive compensation. In my opinion, Native Americans should receive far more reparations than the occasional scant handouts they've been granted so far. If you want to talk about justice since the end of the colonial period, we agree.

Things get absurd when you try to go back 2,000 years to reclaim the land where a percentage of your ancestors may have once lived, and they really get ugly when you feel entitled to evict or butcher the people you used to share the land with, but who remained there from that time onward. It's worth considering where all of our ancestors lived 2,000 years ago. If you assume 25 years per generation, that's 80 generations and means we all have a LOT of ancestors who lived back then. The world population was much smaller at that time (perhaps 150 to 300 million). It's easy to see how closely related people living in what is now Israel must have been. My own ancestors probably lived in the Middle East and Europe, and I have distant cousins today who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a few other religions, and (mostly) secular. Trying to establish land ownership after 80 generations is virtually impossible. However, there are people alive today who were violently forced out of Palestine by the IDF and had all but the clothes on their backs stolen from them, and they cannot even visit the homes where they used to live. That is clearly an injustice that needs to be addressed.

So you favor a policy that would lead to civil wars across Africa, the ME, parts of Europe, and much of Asia?

Doesn't seem like the most humane approach to me.

Your idealism is...painful.

Land-grabbing by ethnosupremacist colonialists, often accompanied by the exploitation, eviction, and/or extermination of the indigenous population, hasn't exactly been a path to peace over human history. In fact, this process has led to horrific violence, as we see in Palestine/Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Which is why Israel has no claim to reparations since the Holocaust happened 80 years ago.

I don’t think Israel is seeking reparations for the Holocaust. Some Holocaust survivors received meager reparations over 50 years ago. There have been some lawsuits over personal property disposition where Holocaust survivors and their detained seek compensation for art, for example, stolen by Nazis. But Israel as a nation isn’t seeking reparations for the Holocaust, nor are any Jewish people that I know of claiming some sort of entitlement to the homes and/or land they inhabited before the Holocaust.

What? Israel got a lot of reparations from Germany since the Holocaust. They even argued at the ICJ that that's the reason for their support.