Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

[Anonymous]

Still shut down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

Anybody violently evicted from their homes and forced out of their homelands in the recent past should absolutely have the same options offered by UN Resolution 194. That is, they should either have the right of return or receive compensation. In my opinion, Native Americans should receive far more reparations than the occasional scant handouts they've been granted so far. If you want to talk about justice since the end of the colonial period, we agree.

Things get absurd when you try to go back 2,000 years to reclaim the land where a percentage of your ancestors may have once lived, and they really get ugly when you feel entitled to evict or butcher the people you used to share the land with, but who remained there from that time onward. It's worth considering where all of our ancestors lived 2,000 years ago. If you assume 25 years per generation, that's 80 generations and means we all have a LOT of ancestors who lived back then. The world population was much smaller at that time (perhaps 150 to 300 million). It's easy to see how closely related people living in what is now Israel must have been. My own ancestors probably lived in the Middle East and Europe, and I have distant cousins today who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a few other religions, and (mostly) secular. Trying to establish land ownership after 80 generations is virtually impossible. However, there are people alive today who were violently forced out of Palestine by the IDF and had all but the clothes on their backs stolen from them, and they cannot even visit the homes where they used to live. That is clearly an injustice that needs to be addressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

Wait till Iran shuts down the strait of hormuz or Israel attack Iran’s oil production. Either one of those things happens and the average gas will go to $6-$7 a gallon. Americans will kick Israel to the curb at $4.50 a gallon. Support for Israel is gone. Its Israel fatigue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

Wait till Iran shuts down the strait of hormuz or Israel attack Iran’s oil production. Either one of those things happens and the average gas will go to $6-$7 a gallon. Americans will kick Israel to the curb at $4.50 a gallon. Support for Israel is gone. Its Israel fatigue.

I have no doubt that the thousands - or, tens of thousands - of motorists and commuters that have been impacted by these anti-Israel goons will have no love for them or their cause. The Golden Gate Bridge has been closed down for over 4 hours. These idiots are pulling the same stunt at Chicago O'Hare, in NYC, and Philly. Probably other cities as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

Anybody violently evicted from their homes and forced out of their homelands in the recent past should absolutely have the same options offered by UN Resolution 194. That is, they should either have the right of return or receive compensation. In my opinion, Native Americans should receive far more reparations than the occasional scant handouts they've been granted so far. If you want to talk about justice since the end of the colonial period, we agree.

Things get absurd when you try to go back 2,000 years to reclaim the land where a percentage of your ancestors may have once lived, and they really get ugly when you feel entitled to evict or butcher the people you used to share the land with, but who remained there from that time onward. It's worth considering where all of our ancestors lived 2,000 years ago. If you assume 25 years per generation, that's 80 generations and means we all have a LOT of ancestors who lived back then. The world population was much smaller at that time (perhaps 150 to 300 million). It's easy to see how closely related people living in what is now Israel must have been. My own ancestors probably lived in the Middle East and Europe, and I have distant cousins today who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a few other religions, and (mostly) secular. Trying to establish land ownership after 80 generations is virtually impossible. However, there are people alive today who were violently forced out of Palestine by the IDF and had all but the clothes on their backs stolen from them, and they cannot even visit the homes where they used to live. That is clearly an injustice that needs to be addressed.

So you favor a policy that would lead to civil wars across Africa, the ME, parts of Europe, and much of Asia?

Doesn't seem like the most humane approach to me.

Your idealism is...painful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you're really all about ancestral lands, then guess what, Armenians lived in Artsakh for centuries, but that didn't keep Israel from supplying Azeris with top notch weapons to help them expel the natives.

DP.

I agree that claims to ancestral lands are unworkable.

Which is why Palestinians have no claim to Israel, since they last inhabited it > 80 years ago.

Actually, under UN Resolution 194, they do. They can either return to their homes or receive compensation. And in the case of Palestinians, we're not talking only about "ancestral lands," as in the lands of their ancestors. We're talking about their OWN lands, where they lived as young children and from which their parents and grandparents were evicted (or murdered) by Zionist terrorists (like the Irgun and Alexandroni Brigade) and the IDF. Also, it's under 80 years for many of those evicted during the Nakba. 80 years is very different from 2,000 years.

Excellent.

So Pakistanis also have the right to reclaim their family lands in India.

And we'll unwind the map of Africa to reapportion land ownership to reflect the end of the colonial period?

Splendid idea.

Anybody violently evicted from their homes and forced out of their homelands in the recent past should absolutely have the same options offered by UN Resolution 194. That is, they should either have the right of return or receive compensation. In my opinion, Native Americans should receive far more reparations than the occasional scant handouts they've been granted so far. If you want to talk about justice since the end of the colonial period, we agree.

Things get absurd when you try to go back 2,000 years to reclaim the land where a percentage of your ancestors may have once lived, and they really get ugly when you feel entitled to evict or butcher the people you used to share the land with, but who remained there from that time onward. It's worth considering where all of our ancestors lived 2,000 years ago. If you assume 25 years per generation, that's 80 generations and means we all have a LOT of ancestors who lived back then. The world population was much smaller at that time (perhaps 150 to 300 million). It's easy to see how closely related people living in what is now Israel must have been. My own ancestors probably lived in the Middle East and Europe, and I have distant cousins today who are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, a few other religions, and (mostly) secular. Trying to establish land ownership after 80 generations is virtually impossible. However, there are people alive today who were violently forced out of Palestine by the IDF and had all but the clothes on their backs stolen from them, and they cannot even visit the homes where they used to live. That is clearly an injustice that needs to be addressed.

So you favor a policy that would lead to civil wars across Africa, the ME, parts of Europe, and much of Asia?

Doesn't seem like the most humane approach to me.

Your idealism is...painful.

Painful…. and targeted exclusively at the only Jewish state among all the other conflicts in the world and all the other states created since WW2. 🤨

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

Yes!! Screw these people who are probably just trying to get to work or pick up their kids!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

It tells you everything we need to know about these people: A bunch of lazy, attention-seeking narcissistic morons with nothing better to do than to harass Americans, scream death to America and bring absolutely nothing good to society. They are doing it at O'Hare today as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

It tells you everything we need to know about these people: A bunch of lazy, attention-seeking narcissistic morons with nothing better to do than to harass Americans, scream death to America and bring absolutely nothing good to society. They are doing it at O'Hare today as well.

And, NYC. And, Philadelphia.

And, at least one Hezbollah flag was flying in NYC.
That person should be investigated for terror ties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

It tells you everything we need to know about these people: A bunch of lazy, attention-seeking narcissistic morons with nothing better to do than to harass Americans, scream death to America and bring absolutely nothing good to society. They are doing it at O'Hare today as well.

And, NYC. And, Philadelphia.

And, at least one Hezbollah flag was flying in NYC.
That person should be investigated for terror ties.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

It tells you everything we need to know about these people: A bunch of lazy, attention-seeking narcissistic morons with nothing better to do than to harass Americans, scream death to America and bring absolutely nothing good to society. They are doing it at O'Hare today as well.

And, NYC. And, Philadelphia.

And, at least one Hezbollah flag was flying in NYC.
That person should be investigated for terror ties.

Waving an Israeli flag is much more disturbing. Look what that flag stand for.

[Anonymous]

Palestinian doctors tell Al Jazeera they have discovered another mass grave in the vicinity of Gaza City’s al-Shifa Hospital, recently besieged by Israeli soldiers, with nine bodies believed to be those of patients found so far.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/15/israels-war-on-gaza-live-five-killed-in-nuseirat-as-israel-strikes-camps

Another mass grave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still shut down.

I sympathize with the protestors' views, but they're punishing the wrong people (i.e., Bay Area commuters, many of whom probably agree with them). There are better ways to protest. They could organize boycotts, donate to pro-Palestinian organizations, volunteer for NGOs like WCK (a little suicidal but an option), contact their elected representatives, or share information or opinions on social media. Remote protesting and direct volunteer work are generally more effective than tormenting hapless commuters.

It tells you everything we need to know about these people: A bunch of lazy, attention-seeking narcissistic morons with nothing better to do than to harass Americans, scream death to America and bring absolutely nothing good to society. They are doing it at O'Hare today as well.

And, NYC. And, Philadelphia.

And, at least one Hezbollah flag was flying in NYC.
That person should be investigated for terror ties.

Waving an Israeli flag is much more disturbing. Look what that flag stand for.

Hezbollah......

"In 2001, pursuant to Executive Order 13224, the Department of the Treasury designated Hezbollah as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist entity. In 2010, State Department officials described Hezbollah as the most technically capable terrorist group in the world and a continued security threat to the United States."
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-terrorism-charges-against-high-ranking-hezbollah-member-who#:~:text=In%202001%2C%20pursuant%20to%20Executive,threat%20to%20the%20United%20States.

Anyone flying the flag of a terrorist organization should be investigated as a terrorist. Period.